Free Stuff philosophy pays pretty well
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Obama Will Be the Only President In US History to Never Achieve a Year of 3% GDP Growth
Sorry, This Is Still The Worst Economic Recovery Ever
Report: Worst economic recovery since 1930s, salaries fall $17,000 short
$20 trillion man: National debt nearly doubles during Obama presidencyhttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/1/obama-presidency-to-end-with-20-trillion-national-/
I guess bold means business. I have said that economy is still an issue but to believe the problem started in 2008 is moronic.
I guess bold means business. I have said that economy is still an issue but to believe the problem started in 2008 is moronic.
On July 3, 2008 -- the day before Independence Day -- Barack Obama said that adding $4 trillion in debt was irresponsible and "unpatriotic.
Obama: The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion for the first 42 presidents - #43 added $4 trillion by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion of debt that we are going to have to pay back -- $30,000 for every man, woman and child. That's irresponsible. It's unpatriotic.
****When Obama leaves office the national debt will be 20 trillion dollars........
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okay........waiting....
for Tour's mexican hat dance to defend obamao on that one....
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Karl Marx understood the evils of capitalism when he said that the proletariat will rise up against the bourgeoisie. We can't disagree that we are seeing that today with politicians running on "income inequality" and fast food workers wanting $15 an hour, and sit-ins like Occupy Wall Street and millennials wanting more pay with very little experience and irrelevant liberal arts degrees. Marx believed that capitalism creates an imbalance of classes, and to some degree he was right. But Socialism/Communism has shown, historically, they don't work either. I don't know if a mix of democratic socialism is the fix either.
What capitalism does foster is growth, invention and ingenuity and the ability for an individual to succeed. Capitalism also aligns itself more so with our constitution. But how do we fix some of the actual extremes that Marx' predicts while keeping our constitution in tact and making sure that property and individual pursuit of life, liberty and happiness are not infringed, while, supporting those that are in honest need of help, financially, employment, etc., while decreasing the numbers of those that are habitual, lifetime, welfare recipients?
I look forward to reading honest solutions.
I look forward to reading honest solutions.
Generally knowledgeable post... Exception seems to be an understanding of what "Occupy" was about, but that aside.
The fix was a progressive income tax with top rates in excess of 50%. That those who benefit the most from the system owe the most to the system was the socialistic cap on a capitalist system. Not only is that cap gone, albeit not gone enough for supply-siders, but now the continuous assault on "the death tax" seems to be rising. An oligarchy is as much the enemy of capitalism as socialism.
A fix?
- Eliminate the cap on payroll taxes for SS and Medicare, while reducing the rate as much as possible without endangering the solvency of either program. Another term for this would be make payroll taxes true flat taxes.
- And FFS do not repeal the estate tax... which only impacts about 0.2% of the population. If you want to do something for the cash-poor/land-rich farmer/rancher... let's talk, but a wholesale repeal is unacceptable.
The other major issue, and one for which I have no solution, is corporate attitude towards their employees. Once they were the atop the list of "stakeholders" in any given company. Then somewhere along the line a "modern" view of investors above all took hold. Where once doing an accumulation of doing small things right resulted in bottom line success, now success is predetermined and the bottom line drives actions to produce the desired result... which always has to be better than the previous result.
Experience sometimes is the best teacher. After living through the horrible economy of Jimmy Carter and seeing Reagan after him have an economic boom that lasted for many years after he left office the answer is really simple. Get government off the backs of the people, lower taxes and turn the American people loose. It works amazingly well.
A booming economy is the cure for all the ills and not government micromanagement. With a booming economy you have recruiters in college wooing graduates instead of grads coming out of college with no job prospects. With a booming economy employers treat employees better and pay them better. They see those employees and new employees as valuable assets instead of today as employers are looking at more at what it will cost them to hire new employees.
Ah.... the "feel" trumps "facts" argument...
- Economy: Domestic GDP declined under Reagan... reversing 30 years of a general rise... including the Carter years. (Sorry but the chart won't imbed due to its "type") http://www.multpl.com/us-gdp-growth-rate
- Size of Government: Executive branch employment is lower and fell under Obama (2009 - 2.77mm -->2014 - 2.66mm) than it was under Reagan when it rose (1981 - 2.81mm --> 1988 - 3.05mm). https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/data-analysis-documentation/federal-employment-reports/historical-tables/total-government-employment-since-1962/
What's it like to feel the government on your back?
One more thing... you show me a booming economy and I'll show you one that's going to bust soon. Thus the saw tooth GDP growth pre-'82 and decline post-'82.
Things finally quieted in '92 under Clinton and after some nice table setting under GHWB... continued under GWB excepting the 911 recession until the housing bubble burst. Since then been steady and sustainable.
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More like 2006 when the Democrats took control of the houses?I guess bold means business. I have said that economy is still an issue but to believe the problem started in 2008 is moronic.
WSS
More like 2006 when the Democrats took control of the houses?
WSS
I know you truly don't believe that. The decline of manufacturing due to outsourcing and a disposable consumer policy began long before 2006.
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you mean going after terrorists after 9/11?
yes, you sound like a clone of Chamberlain. It's typical lib nonsense, you still bitch about
Bush and Cheney, and won't criticize
all the obamao crap that has been going on for eight years.
Bush kept us safe after 9/11.
Obamao is putting us all in serious danger overseas, and here.
Seriously, do you even have any idea how huge our defitict is NOW???
Have a nice day in liberal bass ackwards, ostrich head in the sand land.
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More like 2006 when the Democrats took control of the houses?
WSS
I know you truly don't believe that. The decline of manufacturing due to outsourcing and a disposable consumer policy began long before 2006.
I know you truly don't believe that. The decline of manufacturing due to outsourcing and a disposable consumer policy began long before 2006.
One of the left's favorite tactics is trying to coincide everything good or bad with the ousting or electing of a Democratic president. Thought I'd use your own hook.
Bubbles burst just like the band stops in musical chairs.
WSS
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Posted Today, 01:04 PM
Terrorists in Iraq? You still swimming in that pantload, cal? Tour
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You take out the husseins and their large factory warehouses of weapons,
and stop the flow to terrorists. I had a friend in intel over there.
You? probably salon or cnn.
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Posted Today, 01:04 PM
Terrorists in Iraq? You still swimming in that pantload, cal? Tour
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You take out the husseins and their large factory warehouses of weapons,
and stop the flow to terrorists. I had a friend in intel over there.
You? probably salon or cnn.
Posted Today, 01:04 PM
Terrorists in Iraq? You still swimming in that pantload, cal? Tour
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You take out the husseins and their large factory warehouses of weapons,
and stop the flow to terrorists. I had a friend in intel over there.
You? probably salon or cnn.
You quite literally seem to have a close friend involved in every situation that involves anything ever in the existence of Earth.
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I guess educators do not teach the concept of "T.I.N.S.T.A.A.F.L." in high school anymore.
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I know you truly don't believe that. The decline of manufacturing due to outsourcing and a disposable consumer policy began long before 2006.
One of the left's favorite tactics is trying to coincide everything good or bad with the ousting or electing of a Democratic president. Thought I'd use your own hook.
Bubbles burst just like the band stops in musical chairs.
WSS
One of the left's favorite tactics is trying to coincide everything good or bad with the ousting or electing of a Democratic president. Thought I'd use your own hook.
Bubbles burst just like the band stops in musical chairs.
WSS
I'm actually a Republican but don't believe in religiously governing our country or simply blaming a person, or generalized population, for our issues.
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Terrorists in Iraq? You still swimming in that pantload, cal?
They had WMDs and I don't need proof I'll wave my flag in your face. Oh wait just googled the War in Iraq. We were spreading democracy you jerk, oh wait shit, Fox News just said if Hillary wins democracy is dead. We invaded Iraq because W forgot how to spell Iran.
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You quite literally seem to have a close friend involved in every situation that involves anything ever in the existence of Earth Tiam
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No, I keep telling the same truth over and over again in explanation.
You just have a short term memory. I do have many friends. Sorry that
probably makes you sad.
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One of the left's favorite tactics is trying to coincide everything good or bad with the ousting or electing of a Democratic president. Thought I'd use your own hook.
Bubbles burst just like the band stops in musical chairs.
WSS
I'm actually a Republican but don't believe in religiously governing our country or simply blaming a person, or generalized population, for our issues.
In the manner that Joe Scarborough and Colin Powell are Republicans and Michael Moore is an NRA member?I'm actually a Republican but don't believe in religiously governing our country or simply blaming a person, or generalized population, for our issues.
Look we were going back and forth about when the big crash came about looking to blame it on Bush. I said bubbles burst. I don't recall seriously pinning something on that Phantom group of people you are worried about. But when the game of hot potato is over the finger-pointing begins.
Just curious you voted for John McCain and Mitt Romney?
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You quite literally seem to have a close friend involved in every situation that involves anything ever in the existence of Earth Tiam
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No, I keep telling the same truth over and over again in explanation.
You just have a short term memory. I do have many friends. Sorry that
probably makes you sad.
You quite literally seem to have a close friend involved in every situation that involves anything ever in the existence of Earth Tiam
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No, I keep telling the same truth over and over again in explanation.
You just have a short term memory. I do have many friends. Sorry that
probably makes you sad.
With how much time you devote to the garden and posting/responding to threads here - I can't see those friendships receiving much time.
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One saying I heard someone say once that stuck with me was if you want to be successful watch what successful people do and copy that. Not bad advice for about anything really. I also like the saying history is many times our best teacher and those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat it.
So why not take that common sense approach and apply that to our economy? What has always worked to stimulate the economy and promote growth? Lower taxes and less government regulations. So the democrats take the exact opposite approach of higher taxes and more and more government regulations which are all job killers and stunt economic growth.
Ireland has went from one of the poorer nations in Europe to one of the more prosperous in a short time by changing their tax codes and giving incentives for business to relocate and that is exactly what happened. It is frustrating to see the anemic economy we have that is chained down by high taxes and government regulations of our own making.
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You quite literally seem to have a close friend involved in every situation that involves anything ever in the existence of Earth Tiam
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No, I keep telling the same truth over and over again in explanation.
You just have a short term memory. I do have many friends. Sorry that
probably makes you sad.
With how much time you devote to the garden and posting/responding to threads here - I can't see those friendships receiving much time.
With how much time you devote to the garden and posting/responding to threads here - I can't see those friendships receiving much time.
Not an unfair point, except having been a corporate programmer/analyst and a consultant
the last few years... I still type very fast. It doesn't take me much time at all, unless
I'm tired and I make typoes and have to correct them.
right now, I am so sore in my legs it's tough to walk - I overdid, gleefully using my new knee like I really
never did before. Feels like I sprained my thigh and my groin, hurts like hell, and we still babysit, work on the flip
house, I took the old no good hay bales and made a "high walk" across the bog that floods
across the old gas line road throught the woods, made elephant ears with a great recipe, went to a
farmer's market, the gals bought a great used van for their house flipping business and I drove it home
because the very respectable auction company didn't know another replacement title was out there and
not voided so they couldn't get license, I pulled some weeds from around the strawberry plants, made scones
(what's the deal on these things? like sugar cookies with very little sugar). The elephant ears were excellent.
And watched the Browns. Went grocery shopping with the Wife, went to the dentist because apparently
I fell at a friends house, off their granite stairs and broke a tooth, so I have to go get it fixed in the morning,
I was having severe flashes of nerve pain on the outside of my new knee - usually when I drove,
or sat at the computer chair. For a couple of months, when they happened, I couldn't drive and had
to pull over. Went to the chiropractor, and she worked on outside muscles above and below my
knee and voila ! no more nerve spasms !
And I still try to read, especially while my Wife watches so much olympics...
and any time we can get together with friends, we do that, too. Had the Father-in-law from Texas
visiting, and a friend from N.C. also, ...anyways, I overdid it and I think I'm going to go jacuzzi for a while.
We keep busy, it's fun. I type fast, that's all, when I get a chance to get on, sometimes in the early morning hours.
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