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So,,,not racist, right?

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  • The Cysko Kid T Conversation Starter Reacting Well Dedicated Very Popular Posting Machine Collaborator First Post Week One Done One Month Later One Year In
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    Students at the Claremont colleges in Southern California initiated a fresh debate about race on college campuses when they narrowed their roommate search to "POC only," specifying in a Facebook post that they wanted only a person of color to join their off-campus apartment.

    When a classmate challenged this roommate criteria, the Pitzer College student who posted the notice on Facebook doubled-down. “It’s exclusive [because] I don’t want to live with any white folks,” wrote Karé Ureña, who is black.

    The latest Facebook controversy is a continuation of the ongoing dialogue about the creation of "safe spaces" for marginalized communities in Pitzer, neighboring colleges in the Claremont system, and colleges across the country.

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    Pitzer President Melvin Oliver, who became the first African American to lead a Claremont undergrad campus this year, called the post and some of the comments it inspired "inconsistent with our Mission and Values" in a message to the campus community.

    "This is but another example to us that social media is not an effective platform to engage in complex dialogue on seemingly intractable critical issues that have varied histories and contested understandings. They create more heat than light and invite extreme viewpoints that intentionally obfuscate the nuanced context that surrounds these issues," President Oliver wrote.

    The Claremont Independent reported the story on Tuesday, accompanied by a photo of a black man drinking from a water fountain labeled "for colored only," in an article that has been shared more than 5,000 times on Facebook.

    Ms. Ureña, a junior at Pitzer, and one of her roommates, Sajo Jefferson, a sophomore at Pomona, have since taken down the post because they found a fourth roommate, but they defended it in a statement to The Washington Post.

    “When and if you understand this context, it becomes clear that students of color seeking a living space that is all-POC is not only reasonable, but can be necessary,” they wrote to the Post. “We live in a world where the living circumstances of POC are grounded in racist social structures that we can not opt out of. These conditions threaten the minds, bodies and souls of people of color both within and without the realms of higher education. We are fighting to exist.”

    Safe spaces began popping up across Claremont Colleges in November, as students mobilized for greater diversity in the school and support services for diverse groups that were represented.

    According to school data from fall 2015, 48 percent of Pitzer's 1,067 undergraduates are white while 5 percent are African-American.

    For example, The 5C Students of Color Alliance also held an event at Pomona College to provide a safe space for “healing” and “self-preservation” for students of color. “Come by to chat, work, vent, organize, express, and do anything else that will help sustain you with other students of color,” they write in a Facebook post. “As this is a space for students of color, please respect the space as such."

    At the time, two CMC students issued a statement of concern about the "institutionalization of segregated spaces," arguing that while individuals were free to associate with whomever they chose, based on any arbitrary criteria, those groups should not be formed, hosted, or funded by the school.

    Racial issues have been hotly debated at the Claremont Colleges this school year as student protestors pushed for the dean of students of Claremont McKenna College, another in the group of Claremont colleges, to step down in November after she wrote a highly criticized email to a Latina student saying she would work to serve those who “don’t fit our CMC mold.” Another outcome of November protests was the creation of new leadership positions on diversity and inclusion in academic and student affairs offices.

    The Facebook post for off-campus housing, though, was distinct from safe spaces.

    “I think that a POC-only housing policy is about as clear-cut an example of prejudice as one could find. I completely understand the desire not to live with people who could be racist, but excluding all white people is an extremely blunt instrument to achieve that end and a harmful overgeneralization,” one person commented.

    Josue Pasillas, a senior and president of the Pitzer College Student Senate, told The Washington Post that requesting to live only with students of color was no different than having race-exclusive student organizations, such as the Black Student Union.

    “A student of color’s preference to live with students of color only is not racist, and to call this housing segregation is wrong,” Pasillas told the Post. “Over time, people of color have been segregated by people with privilege, not vice versa. Students of color face systemic discrimination daily and have a right to live in solidarity with other students of color in spaces where they do not have to experience judgment and racism from others.”

    I really worry about what my children are going to have to deal with in life.

    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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      T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by The Cysko Kid
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      No comment? If a white person did this they would be denounced and most likely expelled from school with some explanation about his it doesn't reflect our values or some such nonsense.

      Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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        It's tough to explain. The left, the black left, cannot tolerate folks that are different, usually more adamantly

        being bigoted, than the worst of the bigots who are opposite them. They are all about manipulating all situations

        for their personal power gain.

        Same color room mate - they can be as hateful toward whites as they want to be, and

        their hatetred will either be reinforced aggressively..... or passively.

        the old saying "there's safety in numbers".... there is also power in numbers.

        More power, they get their way faster, more free stuff.

        God help the new black people that room there, if they disagree with the haters like regular folks.

        It will be anger, "Uncle Tom" labels - you defie the black hate subculture, those blacks will easily

        go violence and screaming in the dissident's face.

        And, it's out of control now, because their role model for dishonest, hateful manipulation on

        racial grounds, for social/political/legal power... is now the president of our country.

        Now it has grown across the country to the point of black hater activists going after whites violently, politically,

        legally, verbally... with a desire to go after them financially. mo free money. All too convenient to hate

        when you are told you deserve the right to hate, and the president sets the example of condoning it,

        allowing/covering/excusing it.

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          No comment? If a white person did this they would be denounced and most likely expelled from school with some explanation about his it doesn't reflect our values or some such nonsense.

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          @the-cysko-kid said:

          No comment? If a white person did this they would be denounced and most likely expelled from school with some explanation about his it doesn't reflect our values or some such nonsense.

          No comment because many of us agree with you and those that don't are probably embarrassed that you are correct.

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            gftChrisG gftChris wrote on last edited by
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            No comment because it got lost in the usual torrent of crazy that this place has become.

            Yes, it's racist. The president of the college even said so.

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              But no disiplinary measures were taken. You know, if you're being honest, that white students would have been disciplined and it would spend two weeks at the top of the news cycle. I accept that there is a double standard in which minorities will not be reprimanded for things which white people would be eviscerated for but that doesn't mean I have to like it or ignore it.

              Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                But no disiplinary measures were taken. You know, if you're being honest, that white students would have been disciplined and it would spend two weeks at the top of the news cycle. I accept that there is a double standard in which minorities will not be reprimanded for things which white people would be eviscerated for but that doesn't mean I have to like it or ignore it.

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                LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares wrote on last edited by
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                @the-cysko-kid said:

                But no disiplinary measures were taken. You know, if you're being honest, that white students would have been disciplined and it would spend two weeks at the top of the news cycle. I accept that there is a double standard in which minorities will not be reprimanded for things which white people would be eviscerated for but that doesn't mean I have to like it or ignore it.

                I am sure the media would accept that the white students just want a safe space away from minorities who don't understand their life experiences.

                Waka! Waka!

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                  BrownsKiddB BrownsKidd wrote on last edited by
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                  Want racism, what about this?

                  If this was reversed, the media would have been all over an all-white team Not one "Caucasian" on this team.

                  I'm not sure about the selection process and who turned down playing and perhaps some whities were asked to join but declined. But understand the media hypocrisy that exists.

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                    T The Cysko Kid wrote on last edited by
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                    You think they're subliminally racist against klay Thompson?

                    Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                      Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                      OP article Racist? Yup...

                      But what if the school mandated integration of all housing, on and off campus. Infringement of individual liberties?

                      Aside... Senior Year at Case, I and my two best friends, both Caucasian (Case was pretty damn white, Reserve side more diverse) moved out of the dorms and lived off-campus. Money saving move... The place I found was the upper of a duplex on Nicholas Ave just a half-block off of Lee Road. Found the place through a county initiative to reverse integrate a section of Shaker Heights.

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                        OP article Racist? Yup...

                        But what if the school mandated integration of all housing, on and off campus. Infringement of individual liberties?

                        Aside... Senior Year at Case, I and my two best friends, both Caucasian (Case was pretty damn white, Reserve side more diverse) moved out of the dorms and lived off-campus. Money saving move... The place I found was the upper of a duplex on Nicholas Ave just a half-block off of Lee Road. Found the place through a county initiative to reverse integrate a section of Shaker Heights.

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                        DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                        @tour2ma said:

                        OP article Racist? Yup...

                        But what if the school mandated integration of all housing, on and off campus. Infringement of individual liberties?

                        Aside... Senior Year at Case, I and my two best friends, both Caucasian (Case was pretty damn white, Reserve side more diverse) moved out of the dorms and lived off-campus. Money saving move... The place I found was the upper of a duplex on Nicholas Ave just a half-block off of Lee Road. Found the place through a county initiative to reverse integrate a section of Shaker Heights.

                        Did you take Black history classes ?

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                          @tour2ma said:

                          OP article Racist? Yup...

                          But what if the school mandated integration of all housing, on and off campus. Infringement of individual liberties?

                          Aside... Senior Year at Case, I and my two best friends, both Caucasian (Case was pretty damn white, Reserve side more diverse) moved out of the dorms and lived off-campus. Money saving move... The place I found was the upper of a duplex on Nicholas Ave just a half-block off of Lee Road. Found the place through a county initiative to reverse integrate a section of Shaker Heights.

                          Did you take Black history classes ?

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                          Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                          @diehardbrownsfan said:

                          Did you take Black history classes ?

                          Nope, but I did work for the CISD part time while at Case working with inner city kids.

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