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Best Reason for "Never Trump" I have Heard to Date...

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  • The democrat playbook against Trump is no secret. Since there is nothing they can do to make people like Clinton any better the strategy is to make Trump un-electable, showing him to be unfit and not have the temperament to be president. Trump has been helping the dems make that argument. I heard a dem strategist say they expect to spend about 2 billion this election to drive the point home to voters.

    The dems may already be there and if that is the case it is check mate for Clinton as there will be nothing Trump can say or do that will work against Clinton if the voters have made up their minds he is not fit to be president.

  • @oldbrownsfan said:

    I'm just happy to say today I am affiliated with no political party. How many of these politicians of either party put the interests of the country first over their own self interests? Not very many.

    Actually I'd say most... of both parties... not that they are allergic to feathering their own nests to some extent, but most of those even do so in ways they see as consistent with the interests of the country. Whether we agree or not is more likely based upon our ideology than the absolute good or harm of their action.

    I believe the Blagojevich's of the world are fewer than you think.

    @hoorta said:

    The only thing that can save Trump at this point is smoking Hillary in the debates- or another real incriminating WikiLeak.

    HRC will smoke him in the debates. She'll come with facts... him with a new, insult nickname...

    As for wiki... "another" will be the first...

    @tour2ma said:

    Actually I'd say most... of both parties... not that they are allergic to feathering their own nests to some extent, but most of those even do so in ways they see as consistent with the interests of the country. Whether we agree or not is more likely based upon our ideology than the absolute good or harm of their action.

    I believe the Blagojevich's of the world are fewer than you think.

    HRC will smoke him in the debates. She'll come with facts... him with a new, insult nickname...

    As for wiki... "another" will be the first...

    And whether she does or not press will be falling all over themselves the next day. More than likely a small small percentage of the great unwashed ever watches the whole thing, they wait until they are told the next day who won.

    WSS

  • Glad the outcome is already set in your mind, WSS...

  • Glad the outcome is already set in your mind, WSS...

    @tour2ma said:

    Glad the outcome is already set in your mind, WSS...

    Don't be naive Tour. I don't have any numbers to prove this but I bet you that most people don't watch these fuckers but will boast about how well their candidate did or didn't do the next day because they were told about it by partisan news sources.

    Do you think I'm wrong?

    WSS

  • Whether I do or not is immaterial... point was you have made up your mind as to the media's verdict.

    Where was the MSM when Obama bombed in his first debate vs Mitt? They sure a fuck weren't pumping any sunshine up my kilt...

  • Whether I do or not is immaterial... point was you have made up your mind as to the media's verdict.

    Where was the MSM when Obama bombed in his first debate vs Mitt? They sure a fuck weren't pumping any sunshine up my kilt...

    @tour2ma said:

    Whether I do or not is immaterial... point was you have made up your mind as to the media's verdict.

    It matters a great deal if I am being accused, even tacitly, of being full of shit.

    WSS

  • Interview example I watched almost all of those debates and the crowd favorite Obama was reportedly a disappointing upset in the first like every one of the mainstream, or left wing as we call them, said that he won the second one. I don't recall that being the case, but the Washington Post CBS New York Times Slate etcetera etcetera reported it.

    WSS

    WSS

  • And still I'd be willing to bet that most people thought that Obama lost the first one because that's what they heard on the news. Just like I said.

    WSS

  • Was never my intent to imply your shit level... just to impune your openness to alternatives.

  • Was never my intent to imply your shit level... just to impune your openness to alternatives.

    @tour2ma said:

    Was never my intent to imply your shit level... just to impune your openness to alternatives.

    Oh I understand, maybe you could give me a reasonable alternative?

    I mean shit the bed pal what percentage of eligible voters cast a fucking ballot let alone sit through hours of debates with a notepad???

    WSS

  • WSS,

    You've wandered so far afield I've lost track. I tried to regain it, but failed. Maybe too tired, I'll try again tomorrow.

    But in answer to a semi-question I missed earlier... Yes, Obama won the 2nd debate... by KO... "Please proceed, Governor."

  • WSS,

    You've wandered so far afield I've lost track. I tried to regain it, but failed. Maybe too tired, I'll try again tomorrow.

    But in answer to a semi-question I missed earlier... Yes, Obama won the 2nd debate... by KO... "Please proceed, Governor."

    @tour2ma said:

    WSS,

    You've wandered so far afield I've lost track. I tried to regain it, but failed. Maybe too tired, I'll try again tomorrow.

    But in answer to a semi-question I missed earlier... Yes, Obama won the 2nd debate... by KO... "Please proceed, Governor."

    Well I'm not sure where the roots of this disagreement are anymore. But he didn't win the second debate by a KO, not at all.

    WSS

  • Agree to disagree...

    May as well since I still can't pick up the trail...

  • The knockout in the second debate was to the CNN lib moderator Candy Crowley who chose to insert herself into the debate and wrongly correct Romney when Romney wasn't wrong...

  • Well... agree Candy should have restrained herself, but actually I can make a case where by doing so she saved Mitt from digging an even deeper hole for himself.

    Romney: "... it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror."

    Obama: "The day after the attack, governor, I stood in the Rose Garden and I told the American people in the world that we are going to find out exactly what happened -- that this was an act of terror -- and I also said that we're going to hunt down those who committed this crime."

    Romney: "I think interesting the president just said something, which is that on the day after the attack he went into the Rose Garden and said that this was an act of terror."
    Obama: "That's what I said."

    Romney: "You said in the Rose Garden the day after the attack, it was an act of terror. It was not a spontaneous demonstration, is that what you're saying?"
    Obama: "Please proceed, governor."

    Romney: "I want to make sure we get that for the record because it took the president 14 days before he called the attack in Benghazi an act of terror."
    Obama: "Get the transcript."

    The transcript of the President's Rose Garden remarks:

    No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done.

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/09/12/remarks-president-deaths-us-embassy-staff-libya

  • CNN and Candy Crowley had to immediately apologize to the public after the second debate when Mitt Romney correctly stated President Obama claims he called the attack in Libya an act of terror was not true.

  • CNN and Candy Crowley had to immediately apologize to the public after the second debate when Mitt Romney correctly stated President Obama claims he called the attack in Libya an act of terror was not true.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    CNN and Candy Crowley had to immediately apologize to the public after the second debate when Mitt Romney correctly stated President Obama claims he called the attack in Libya an act of terror was not true.

    Obama is incompetent. Because he's black, he has been given a free reign. It's disgusting.

  • Race relations have been terrible under Obama and I wonder how much of that is because he usually is taking sides against law enforcement and has race baiting hustlers like fellow community organizer Al Shartpon as an adviser.

    Police group director: Obama caused a 'war on cops' - POLITICO

    The head of a law enforcement advocacy group lashed out at President Barack Obama in the wake of the Dallas shootings that left five police officers dead, accused the president of carrying out a "war on cops."

    'Deafening silence:' Obama, 2016 Dems mum on recent police deaths ..

    A Fargo police officer fatally shot responding to a routine domestic disturbance call. A 25-year police veteran killed while trying to serve a warrant outside Atlanta. These are just the latest tragedies of cops murdered while performing their sworn duty -- "to protect and serve."

    But while President Obama and the Democratic candidates vying to succeed him are putting America's police departments on trial in the court of public opinion in response to a rash of deadly police shootings, the murder of police officers on America's streets is being met with a “deafening silence.”

    Police Are TIRED of Barack Obama – And Are Planning on Doing THIS!

    There is no doubt that President Barack Obama hates the police. His ideology is why he has built a long career of activism against law enforcement… And thanks to Obama, too many people are opposed to the same police officers who risk their lives every day for our safety.

    Public views towards police are so bad in some areas, that police have taken a more hands-off approach to public safety. Depending on the neighborhood, this can be disastrous.

    http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/police-are-tired-barack-obama/

  • CNN and Candy Crowley had to immediately apologize to the public after the second debate when Mitt Romney correctly stated President Obama claims he called the attack in Libya an act of terror was not true.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    CNN and Candy Crowley had to immediately apologize to the public after the second debate when Mitt Romney correctly stated President Obama claims he called the attack in Libya an act of terror was not true.

    Clip of the actual statement by either Cooper or Crawley?

    There's no mention of either "apology" in this CNN article four days later...

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/18/politics/fact-check-crowley-critics-debate/

    EDIT: Look.... I agree the context of the statement is open to interpretation, but Mitt chose to focus on whether he said the words... and he clearly did.

    As for context... they are in the same paragraph in the sentence immediately preceding the sentence that includes, "... we mourn four more Americans...", and that ties them together IMO.

  • When Crowley inserted herself into the debate to correct Romney I remember Obama thanking her and the audience went into applause....really unfair to Romney and out of line for a "neutral" debate moderator.