Game 1 -Good, bad & ugly
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I hate this preseason BS of not allowing your starters to play enough.
The Browns have been 1-16 in openers since 1999..... a lot of this is due, in my opinion, on the fact that the Browns have NOT been ready to perform in their openers because they have not allowed the first teamers enough time to play together.
As far as I am concerned, the starters should play the complete first half of EVERY preseason game. Get your fucking asses ready to play when the games count. For 17 years their fucking asses have not been ready.
You can evaluate the fringe players in the second halves of these PS games....and in practice.
It is like fucking Ray Farmer who spent all his fucking time worrying about the last 3-4 roster spots on the team. This team needs to get their fucking starters ready to play....and NOT spend so much time worrying about who will be kept to play third string.
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I know what you mean Gipper, but I can remember that one Jake Delhomme team that appeared to be pretty solid in the preseason...and then shit the bed in the first game after Jake did what everybody knew he'd do...and throw the dumbest pass imaginable before half that cost us the game and broke his ankle. LOL
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Tia or Tour, do either of you think have a different thought on RG3 than what this guy said? .. "looked pretty good"
He analyzed the formation, described what the motion showed about the D, discussed the placement of the throw, and explained the playcall/hot route adjustments of RG3 in each throw from preseason game1.
Tia or Tour, do either of you think have a different thought on RG3 than what this guy said? .. "looked pretty good"
What tia said?
Overall impression was an analysis straight out of Madden... doesn't make it bad necessarily.
On play #1 I see a packed box with 9 before HaHa backs out. Simplest pre-snap in the world with the outside WRs the obvious choice. RG looks left and then barely looks right before releasing the ball. Designed play trusting Pryor to beat his man deep... which he does by half a step. Play seems predetermined. Best thing is it shows RG's arm...it was a pretty deep-ball... found myself imagining Gordon on the other end of it. Second best thing is it showed Pryor's ability to adjust to the ball.
In general RG's pre-snap recognition looked good. And eye discipline is huge in my book... and his designed, rehearsed discipline was good, but I still question if his eyes were seeing anything post snap.
- The deep ball to Barn: easy pre-snap read, verified a Safety was on Barn, good eye discipline down the middle to keep the other Safety in the top half of the field, but body positions scream for a back shoulder throw here and there was time to see that.
- The deep-ish out to Moore: RG locked onto him and stayed on him throughout his pocket moving. Ditto the shorter out to Pryor earlier.
- The INT: there is room to place blame on Barn... if you are inclined to do so. The end-zone replay clearly showed that Barn altered his route early to avoid the under LB early routing him more vertical run than it may have been drawn up. This likely impacting the route timing. The commentator's "Seam-route/ post-route" babble is off the mark as Barn was clearly went back to angling his route once he cleared the LB. RG still had the ball while this "adjusting" was going on. So my take is he failed to adjust... but his adjustment would have required him to drop the ball into Barn over the LB. The throw he made avoided the lane the LB was in... and the Safety, Hyde, made a very nice diving play. My guess is the throw he made was the throw that worked all week in practice...
Not much else... Most of the other plays had similar themes. The screen throwaway showed some of the discipline we've heard has been drilled into him... also showed we still can't run a screen for some reason.
It is still early, but how many screenless regime's is this now?
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I wouldn't put too much stock in this game. It's a rather meaningless preseason game in the grand scheme of things. Hard to get a handle on any team after their first preseason game. New coaches want to get a better idea of what each and every player can do and that's what Hue and his staff are doing. The scoreboard is fairly a non-significant factor. For instance, if the Browns would've played the same game but would've won by a couple of points, the mistakes they made in this win would still need to be addressed. Stay calm my Browns fans. Take my Bengals for instance. They lost to the Vikings, but our first team offense and defense completely dominated them. That's all I was concerned about. Not only that, but the Vikings scored their first TD with their first team offense playing against our second team defense. I'll take that any day.
It was so obvious what the Browns lacked in this game: DISCIPLINE! Almost all of their errors was a result of playing undisciplined football and Hue will more than likely get this straightened out. The good news is that his chances of bring discipline to the team are greater than not as a result of the lessons he learned as head coach of the Raiders. Also, the mistakes the Browns made in this game are ALL very correctable such as the turnovers, running wrong routes, throwing to the wrong area and all of the new players adjusting to one another. I know you guys don't want to hear it, but the fact is that you're gonna have to be patient as the new coaching staff moves the team forward. If the Browns stay healthy, I think you'll see them get better and better as the season moves along. They're still a couple of years away, but the D has the ability to speed up that process.
Think about it guys. The Browns have a new head coach, a QB that has just been pulled off the scrap heap and a flood of rookie receivers. It's gonna take time for these guys to gel. The good news is that RGIII is still relatively young and athletic. Couple that with an offensive minded coach and I think you'll see an improved RGIII but he'll have to keep himself healthy by running out of bounds instead of taking a hit, sliding, getting rid of the ball when nothings there, etc., etc. And it may take him about half of the season, maybe less, maybe more, to show that he has improved.
Playing disciplined football; keeping themselves healthy and not being afraid of the Squealers by punching them in the mouth at every single opportunity, are the three most important keys in getting this organization moving in the right direction. -77
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I wouldn't put too much stock in this game. It's a rather meaningless preseason game in the grand scheme of things. Hard to get a handle on any team after their first preseason game. New coaches want to get a better idea of what each and every player can do and that's what Hue and his staff are doing. The scoreboard is fairly a non-significant factor. For instance, if the Browns would've played the same game but would've won by a couple of points, the mistakes they made in this win would still need to be addressed. Stay calm my Browns fans. Take my Bengals for instance. They lost to the Vikings, but our first team offense and defense completely dominated them. That's all I was concerned about. Not only that, but the Vikings scored their first TD with their first team offense playing against our second team defense. I'll take that any day.
It was so obvious what the Browns lacked in this game: DISCIPLINE! Almost all of their errors was a result of playing undisciplined football and Hue will more than likely get this straightened out. The good news is that his chances of bring discipline to the team are greater than not as a result of the lessons he learned as head coach of the Raiders. Also, the mistakes the Browns made in this game are ALL very correctable such as the turnovers, running wrong routes, throwing to the wrong area and all of the new players adjusting to one another. I know you guys don't want to hear it, but the fact is that you're gonna have to be patient as the new coaching staff moves the team forward. If the Browns stay healthy, I think you'll see them get better and better as the season moves along. They're still a couple of years away, but the D has the ability to speed up that process.
Think about it guys. The Browns have a new head coach, a QB that has just been pulled off the scrap heap and a flood of rookie receivers. It's gonna take time for these guys to gel. The good news is that RGIII is still relatively young and athletic. Couple that with an offensive minded coach and I think you'll see an improved RGIII but he'll have to keep himself healthy by running out of bounds instead of taking a hit, sliding, getting rid of the ball when nothings there, etc., etc. And it may take him about half of the season, maybe less, maybe more, to show that he has improved.
Playing disciplined football; keeping themselves healthy and not being afraid of the Squealers by punching them in the mouth at every single opportunity, are the three most important keys in getting this organization moving in the right direction. -77
Think about it guys. The Browns have a new head coach, a QB that has just been pulled off the scrap heap and a flood of rookie receivers. It's gonna take time for these guys to gel.
there's been a comment like this in multiple threads for 10+ years now. i guess the browns take mulitple decades to 'gel'.
welcome to the party pal.
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I wouldn't put too much stock in this game. It's a rather meaningless preseason game in the grand scheme of things. Hard to get a handle on any team after their first preseason game. New coaches want to get a better idea of what each and every player can do and that's what Hue and his staff are doing. The scoreboard is fairly a non-significant factor. For instance, if the Browns would've played the same game but would've won by a couple of points, the mistakes they made in this win would still need to be addressed. Stay calm my Browns fans. Take my Bengals for instance. They lost to the Vikings, but our first team offense and defense completely dominated them. That's all I was concerned about. Not only that, but the Vikings scored their first TD with their first team offense playing against our second team defense. I'll take that any day.
It was so obvious what the Browns lacked in this game: DISCIPLINE! Almost all of their errors was a result of playing undisciplined football and Hue will more than likely get this straightened out. The good news is that his chances of bring discipline to the team are greater than not as a result of the lessons he learned as head coach of the Raiders. Also, the mistakes the Browns made in this game are ALL very correctable such as the turnovers, running wrong routes, throwing to the wrong area and all of the new players adjusting to one another. I know you guys don't want to hear it, but the fact is that you're gonna have to be patient as the new coaching staff moves the team forward. If the Browns stay healthy, I think you'll see them get better and better as the season moves along. They're still a couple of years away, but the D has the ability to speed up that process.
Think about it guys. The Browns have a new head coach, a QB that has just been pulled off the scrap heap and a flood of rookie receivers. It's gonna take time for these guys to gel. The good news is that RGIII is still relatively young and athletic. Couple that with an offensive minded coach and I think you'll see an improved RGIII but he'll have to keep himself healthy by running out of bounds instead of taking a hit, sliding, getting rid of the ball when nothings there, etc., etc. And it may take him about half of the season, maybe less, maybe more, to show that he has improved.
Playing disciplined football; keeping themselves healthy and not being afraid of the Squealers by punching them in the mouth at every single opportunity, are the three most important keys in getting this organization moving in the right direction. -77
I wouldn't put too much stock in this game. It's a rather meaningless preseason game in the grand scheme of things. Hard to get a handle on any team after their first preseason game.
cliche much???
New coaches want to get a better idea of what each and every player can do and that's what Hue and his staff are doing.
As are we. These games are critical for evaluating talent. So, if you suck, you might get cut. If you're good, you might make the team. And guess what, we can see the same things Hue sees. So, its not win or lose....it's how you play. And if you suck, then just saying it's preseason aint enough. Just ask the Coach thats gonna cut the players who sucked.
The scoreboard is fairly a non-significant factor. For instance, if the Browns would've played the same game but would've won by a couple of points, the mistakes they made in this win would still need to be addressed.
Exactly. And if we won, Id still say who played poorly and who played well.
Stay calm my Browns fans. Take my Bengals for instance. They lost to the Vikings, but our first team offense and defense completely dominated them. That's all I was concerned about.
Us too. And guess what.....we didnt dominate anyone anywhere. We showed the same poor tackling , weak line and porr running game that we've seen for years. So dont tell me it's only game one.....it something more like game 454 dammit.....
It was so obvious what the Browns lacked in this game: DISCIPLINE! Almost all of their errors was a result of playing undisciplined football and Hue will more than likely get this straightened out.
Funny, cause thats pretty opposite of what Ive seen. In fact, one of the major knocks on Pettine was he had too much discipline....on the field and off it.....didnt let the players flow to the ball and forced disbiplines on the players, as opposed to letting them just do what they do naturally.....HUE is SUPPOSED to be the loose, players coach, who's gonna let them "just play"......so, we'll see.....
I know you guys don't want to hear it, but the fact is that you're gonna have to be patient as the new coaching staff moves the team forward. If the Browns stay healthy, I think you'll see them get better and better as the season moves along. They're still a couple of years away, but the D has the ability to speed up that process.
Damn straight we dont want to hear it.....already heard it LITERALLY 500 times......to me, it sounds like blah blah blah blah blah....especially from a bunghole who doesnt know the team.....I KNOW THE FUCKING BROWNS......dont tell me.....and, btw, the defense sucks and is NOT gonna speed up crap.....not one difference maker and youre telling me the D will carry this team????.......thats insane
Think about it guys. The Browns have a new head coach, a QB that has just been pulled off the scrap heap and a flood of rookies.
Yep.....11 times in the last 16 years....what else is new???? (besides the coaches, GM, rookies and 1/2 our roster)
It's gonna take time for these guys to gel. The good news is that RGIII is still relatively young and athletic. Couple that with an offensive minded coach and I think you'll see an improved RGIII but he'll have to keep himself healthy by running out of bounds instead of taking a hit, sliding, getting rid of the ball when nothings there, etc., etc. And it may take him about half of the season, maybe less, maybe more, to show that he has improved.
Playing disciplined football; keeping themselves healthy and not being afraid of the Squealers by punching them in the mouth at every single opportunity, are the three most important keys in getting this organization moving in the right direction. -77
My recommendation......please dont show up....say I live in Cinnci....then offer lame advice, as if you're a Browns expert and we dont understand our team or the meaning of a preseason game......piss off....
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The problem I had with Kessler wasnt the first safety....it was the second......how often do you allow 2 safeties in a game, let alone in the same quarter.....????....has it ever happened???....that is some very very bad play....on the QB, coach AND o-line
So....Kessler really kind of sucked in that respect....awareness.....should have thrown it away.....
And some very questionable play calls(Hue).....why put Kessler in that position?.....(twice)....
Rookie QB with a 3rd string line shouldnt be throwing out of the end zone....just run the damn ball or have a plan to dump it fast.....or.... take 2 safeties in 5 minutes.....ugh
The problem I had with Kessler wasnt the first safety....it was the second......how often do you allow 2 safeties in a game, let alone in the same quarter.....????....has it ever happened???....that is some very very bad play....on the QB, coach AND o-line
So....Kessler really kind of sucked in that respect....awareness.....should have thrown it away.....
And some very questionable play calls(Hue).....why put Kessler in that position?.....(twice)....
Rookie QB with a 3rd string line shouldnt be throwing out of the end zone....just run the damn ball or have a plan to dump it fast.....or.... take 2 safeties in 5 minutes.....ugh
Mud,
Kessler is a rookie & this was our 1st exhibition game. This early in a career, I would tend to look at what a player DID do, not what they failed to do. As far as play calls go, keep in mind this IS exhibition season & it is possible play calls were made to create situations the Coaching staff wanted to see.
It's far too early to judge players, good or bad.
I'm waiting to see what 53 the real experts decide to keep.
Mike
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We should invest in some actual OLineman instead of getting our QB killed again. Maybe move Erving away from center and pay for a real center? I'm just not sure he "has it" at center.
We should invest in some actual OLineman instead of getting our QB killed again. Maybe move Erving away from center and pay for a real center? I'm just not sure he "has it" at center.
I like your thinking!
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The problem I had with Kessler wasnt the first safety....it was the second......how often do you allow 2 safeties in a game, let alone in the same quarter.....????....has it ever happened???....that is some very very bad play....on the QB, coach AND o-line
So....Kessler really kind of sucked in that respect....awareness.....should have thrown it away.....
And some very questionable play calls(Hue).....why put Kessler in that position?.....(twice)....
Rookie QB with a 3rd string line shouldnt be throwing out of the end zone....just run the damn ball or have a plan to dump it fast.....or.... take 2 safeties in 5 minutes.....ugh
Mud,
Kessler is a rookie & this was our 1st exhibition game. This early in a career, I would tend to look at what a player DID do, not what they failed to do. As far as play calls go, keep in mind this IS exhibition season & it is possible play calls were made to create situations the Coaching staff wanted to see.
It's far too early to judge players, good or bad.
I'm waiting to see what 53 the real experts decide to keep.
Mike
I'm waiting to see what 53 the real experts decide to keep.
Mike
That's the finish line I really want to see.(don't think they are all in our camp either?) Do you feel Jamie Meder is ahead of Shelton at NT or does Meder move to DE? Your sign cannot be your answer
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I'm waiting to see what 53 the real experts decide to keep.
Mike
That's the finish line I really want to see.(don't think they are all in our camp either?) Do you feel Jamie Meder is ahead of Shelton at NT or does Meder move to DE? Your sign cannot be your answer
That's the finish line I really want to see.(don't think they are all in our camp either?) Do you feel Jamie Meder is ahead of Shelton at NT or does Meder move to DE? Your sign cannot be your answer
Honestly, I neither like to speculate about who is ahead of who at this point nor do I have the knowledge to do so. What I saw last week was Meder making plays & hope he continues to do so.
Mike
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I'm waiting to see what 53 the real experts decide to keep.
Mike
That's the finish line I really want to see.(don't think they are all in our camp either?) Do you feel Jamie Meder is ahead of Shelton at NT or does Meder move to DE? Your sign cannot be your answer
That's the finish line I really want to see.(don't think they are all in our camp either?) Do you feel Jamie Meder is ahead of Shelton at NT or does Meder move to DE? Your sign cannot be your answer
Interesting question Gumby! I'm not a big fan of putting less agile DT/NT types out at the 5 technique because I remember guys like Taylor and Rubin becoming liabilities out there. Inside, their territory is much smaller to cover where the outside part of 2 gap for a 5 technique can extend as far as the sideline. That means long arms, good agility, good quickness, decent foot speed may be required. Cooper has all that to be tapped; and I think once he gets enough experience we'll see this. It also looked like both the rookies (Nassib and Ogbah) were lining up in 5 techniques (offset to the inside shoulder of the OT on many occasions).
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That's the finish line I really want to see.(don't think they are all in our camp either?) Do you feel Jamie Meder is ahead of Shelton at NT or does Meder move to DE? Your sign cannot be your answer
Interesting question Gumby! I'm not a big fan of putting less agile DT/NT types out at the 5 technique because I remember guys like Taylor and Rubin becoming liabilities out there. Inside, their territory is much smaller to cover where the outside part of 2 gap for a 5 technique can extend as far as the sideline. That means long arms, good agility, good quickness, decent foot speed may be required. Cooper has all that to be tapped; and I think once he gets enough experience we'll see this. It also looked like both the rookies (Nassib and Ogbah) were lining up in 5 techniques (offset to the inside shoulder of the OT on many occasions).
Interesting question Gumby! I'm not a big fan of putting less agile DT/NT types out at the 5 technique because I remember guys like Taylor and Rubin becoming liabilities out there. Inside, their territory is much smaller to cover where the outside part of 2 gap for a 5 technique can extend as far as the sideline. That means long arms, good agility, good quickness, decent foot speed may be required. Cooper has all that to be tapped; and I think once he gets enough experience we'll see this. It also looked like both the rookies (Nassib and Ogbah) were lining up in 5 techniques (offset to the inside shoulder of the OT on many occasions).
I kind of said the same thing, and everything I have seen from Meder has come from the NT position...I THINK. I could be wrong, and possibly Meder made some plays from DE, but I don't think he did. At this point I believe we are reeling from Desmond's injury, and we're just trying to tinker around and find something that works for us. Xavier Cooper definitely has the physical ability to play the 5 technique, but I have yet to hear a whole lot of great news about his play. Now to be fair, we've had one freaking preseason game and a couple weeks of camp, but I wish I could hear SOMETHING about Cooper that was positive. John Hughes, Danny Shelton, and Jamie Meder is definitely beefy, but is it athletic enough? I will be watching the DL for sure!
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I wouldn't put too much stock in this game. It's a rather meaningless preseason game in the grand scheme of things. Hard to get a handle on any team after their first preseason game. New coaches want to get a better idea of what each and every player can do and that's what Hue and his staff are doing. The scoreboard is fairly a non-significant factor. For instance, if the Browns would've played the same game but would've won by a couple of points, the mistakes they made in this win would still need to be addressed. Stay calm my Browns fans. Take my Bengals for instance. They lost to the Vikings, but our first team offense and defense completely dominated them. That's all I was concerned about. Not only that, but the Vikings scored their first TD with their first team offense playing against our second team defense. I'll take that any day.
It was so obvious what the Browns lacked in this game: DISCIPLINE! Almost all of their errors was a result of playing undisciplined football and Hue will more than likely get this straightened out. The good news is that his chances of bring discipline to the team are greater than not as a result of the lessons he learned as head coach of the Raiders. Also, the mistakes the Browns made in this game are ALL very correctable such as the turnovers, running wrong routes, throwing to the wrong area and all of the new players adjusting to one another. I know you guys don't want to hear it, but the fact is that you're gonna have to be patient as the new coaching staff moves the team forward. If the Browns stay healthy, I think you'll see them get better and better as the season moves along. They're still a couple of years away, but the D has the ability to speed up that process.
Think about it guys. The Browns have a new head coach, a QB that has just been pulled off the scrap heap and a flood of rookie receivers. It's gonna take time for these guys to gel. The good news is that RGIII is still relatively young and athletic. Couple that with an offensive minded coach and I think you'll see an improved RGIII but he'll have to keep himself healthy by running out of bounds instead of taking a hit, sliding, getting rid of the ball when nothings there, etc., etc. And it may take him about half of the season, maybe less, maybe more, to show that he has improved.
Playing disciplined football; keeping themselves healthy and not being afraid of the Squealers by punching them in the mouth at every single opportunity, are the three most important keys in getting this organization moving in the right direction. -77
I think this guy is just Ghoolie after both maturity and sobriety. At best he's a high-class troll.
I wouldn't put too much stock in this game. It's a rather meaningless preseason game in the grand scheme of things. Hard to get a handle on any team after their first preseason game.
So why post, then? You can't get a handle on any team after game1.. but you still felt compelled to vomit words about how much you don't know?
Nonsense like "If you don't know what to say, just be arrogant" is what passes for wisdom in your household?
Leave the analysis to people who actually know what they're talking about. You know, like the people I pointedly asked to reply - and a few others like Mud.
Think about it guys.
Often this sentence is followed by something called "content." Next time, come up with a concept before making a post - then, we'll actually have something worth thinking about.
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Ok....got our first look......nothing earth shattering......but my first impressions on some players Ive been waiting to see....
The Good....
* Ogbah looked good, fast and strong. Led the team in tackles and flashed some serious speed for a man his size. I LOVE guys who can finish a tackle.
* Nassib had a few nice plays too. Showed he could get to the QB and has some fire. Like.
* Raheem Moore looked good at the safety spot. Seemed to have his nose near the ball(a lot)
* RGIII showed promise too. Looked better than I expected he would, actually. QB room seems to be the best we've had in quite a while. Fingers crossed.
* Pryor opened with a nice diving catch, after running right past his defender. Another one that continues to surprise. He might actually make it as a WR.
* Dominique Alexander(one of my dark horses) played well too. Im betting he makes the team.
* Gilbert started and had zero negative highlights. Looked pretty decent, actually.
The Bad.....
* O-line looked like I worried it would. QB's gotta get the ball out quick, cause they will be under pressure all year long. OL no longer a strong point for this team.
* Schobert looked slow and kind of lost. Well give him a rookie pass, but......eh
* Crow & Duke....one touch each?
* Jamar Taylor seemed to have a lot of reps for a guy who kept getting burned. Miamis version of Gilbert who looks like he still doesnt get it.
The ugly....
* Mostert dropping his fourth consecutive punt. Blech! Hope they have a plan B, because dude is killing us with the drops
* Kesslers pocket awarenesss. Blech again. (along with the line that was protecting him)(double blech)
* Kruger(of course) still cant make a play(or tackle)(or rush)(or cover). Someone, PLEASE, put this guy out to pasture.
Ok....gonna play off my post from last game, as I see some of the same names popping up.....listen, you guys that know me know Im usually very optimistic and try to always see the silver lining....BUT, I also try not to wear rose colored glasses and would rather just say it like I see it......and this years team is really looking rough......AND PLEASE, do not tell me one more time it's just "preseason".....it actually EVALUATION SEASON.....next week is the final "dress rehearsal"....and if the dress rehearsal sucks, then usually, the ensuing show sucks.......so, preseason or not, I can only judge what I see and I see the Browns playing poorly and a lot of "better" teams playing well......and rather than judging the team, Im judging player performances......so, here;s what I saw last week compared to what I saw this week(and "improvement" wasn't one of the things I saw).......
Ok....got our first look......nothing earth shattering......but my first impressions on some players Ive been waiting to see....
The Good....
* Ogbah looked good, fast and strong. Led the team in tackles and flashed some serious speed for a man his size. I LOVE guys who can finish a tackle.
Not as good this week. Invisible.
* Nassib had a few nice plays too. Showed he could get to the QB and has some fire. Like.
How can you not like this guy. He should be fun to watch. Needs work in a LOT of areas, but looks like he's our best(only?) chance to get the QB
* Raheem Moore looked good at the safety spot. Seemed to have his nose near the ball(a lot)
Looks like a solid pick up...
* RGIII showed promise too. Looked better than I expected he would, actually. QB room seems to be the best we've had in quite a while. Fingers crossed.
A good game from RGIII, which warms my heart. Hope he continues to improve AND stays healthy.....fingers still crossed
* Pryor opened with a nice diving catch, after running right past his defender. Another one that continues to surprise. He might actually make it as a WR.
Alrighty then. Pryor is looking dangerous and should be a great asset when on the field with JG and Cooper or Hawkins.....
* Dominique Alexander(one of my dark horses) played well too. Im betting he makes the team.
Hey...this guy came to play. Another strong game and now leading the entire team in stop....
* Gilbert started and had zero negative highlights. Looked pretty decent, actually.
Wow....what a difference a week makes....missed 3 tackles and got dragged on a fourth....covering well......but that tackling?.....YUCK
Im moving Crow up to the good(Watson too)....both ran for positive yardage and looked good......Watson is a load to bring down
The Bad.....
* O-line looked like I worried it would. QB's gotta get the ball out quick, cause they will be under pressure all year long. OL no longer a strong point for this team.
This will be a problem all season long....just sit back and pray....thank god RGIII can run, cause he's gonna be chased around all year long....and that snap?.....NEVER have I seen something like that(or 2 safeties in a quarter either)....Browns are breaking all the rules
* Schobert looked slow and kind of lost. Well give him a rookie pass, but......eh
Invisible this week.....not....one ......stop.....
* Crow & Duke....one touch each?
* Jamar Taylor seemed to have a lot of reps for a guy who kept getting burned. Miamis version of Gilbert who looks like he still doesnt get it.
Looked better than Gilbert this week....Gilbert looked better last week......inconsistency personified....
And look.....everything about the D looked bad(and ugly).....OLB's are non existent.....MLB's are average, at best......DL is swiss cheese....Shelton is not making a difference and, based upon last season AND this preseason so far, Meder should start ahead of him....Cooper?....eh.....bottom line..giving up 200+ yards rushing and 20 of 39 third downs says it all....
The ugly....
* Mostert dropping his fourth consecutive punt. Blech! Hope they have a plan B, because dude is killing us with the drops
* Kesslers pocket awarenesss. Blech again. (along with the line that was protecting him)(double blech)
* Kruger(of course) still cant make a play(or tackle)(or rush)(or cover). Someone, PLEASE, put this guy out to pasture.
Kruger...hahaha.....ANOTHER game with out a tackle, yet everyone wants to cut Gilbert today.....do you schmucks realize that Gilbert has more tackles than Kruger(;ast season too and he barely played).....do you realize that GARY BARNIDGE has more tackles than Kruger???......do you realize that 40 Browns have more tackles than Kruger....40!! ....and Kruger is the ONLY player on Defense that has yet to record a tackle????......Jim Oneill is laughing at you all today. Talent wins and you will find that Ray Horton is just as incapable of getting shit from a rock as Oneill was. Have fdun blaming the coaches for this years debacle.
You know, I PRAY the Browns keep Kruger so I can pound away allllllllllllllllllllllllllllll year and establish that TALENT(not coaching) is what this team has needed all along.......will be counting how many time Horty has him make his lame attempts to cover....pass rush....and tackle.....hahahahaha......this defense and KRUGER are seriously bad.....
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^unfortunately, agree on all points mud.
depth at OL is non existent. guess that's what having 12 picks every year get's you.............zilch. squadoosh. nada.
biggest point you made: talent. maybe 3 or 4 positional starters and one or two rooks who might have the desire. that's it. end of story.
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Right on Mud!
That was my mantra the last couple of years, it's not the coaching, it's the lack of football talent.
It was a problem then...and it's still a problem this year.
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No, it wsa the coaching, too. Poor drafts, and young players who never developed into starters
until they went to other teams. Young players who rarely ever got to play, even in preseason.
This is the first year - of course the weaknesses haven't been completely resolved 100 percent.
But you go to a practice, and the Browns are all in, having fun playing, energetic, and
really after it. That right there should be good for a fun season of football. At least they
will be all on the same page as far as wanting to win. We'll see how it goes.
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No, it wsa the coaching, too. Poor drafts, and young players who never developed into starters
until they went to other teams. Young players who rarely ever got to play, even in preseason.
This is the first year - of course the weaknesses haven't been completely resolved 100 percent.
But you go to a practice, and the Browns are all in, having fun playing, energetic, and
really after it. That right there should be good for a fun season of football. At least they
will be all on the same page as far as wanting to win. We'll see how it goes.
young players who never developed into starters until they went to other teams. Young players who rarely ever got to play, even in preseason.
We'll see how it goes.
Who are these people we let go, that then developed into starters?.....(good starters, that is)....who rarely got to play in preseason?......examples please......
Cause the only one I can think of is Gilbert(not playing). Hue has him at #1, Pettine had him on the bench. And I berated Pettine for not putting him out there, but now think he was quite right.......now that we see him playing with the ones, EVERYONE is screaming to cut him....soooooo, go figure........
We will see how it goes.....and who's willing to say it like it is and who's making excuses.....we shall see.....very soon.....
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