Top 5 Rivalries
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Plus if you meet three-years in a row in the playoffs?
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Over the ~65 years of the Cleveland Browns (minus a few in the 90s) the head to head doesn't necessarily really mean that much except maybe for two names on the list, Steelers and Bengals.
You need some more to make a rivalry or enemy like a division or region or other unique relationship over time.
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Over the ~65 years of the Cleveland Browns (minus a few in the 90s) the head to head doesn't necessarily really mean that much except maybe for two names on the list, Steelers and Bengals.
You need some more to make a rivalry or enemy like a division or region or other unique relationship over time.
Over the ~65 years of the Cleveland Browns (minus a few in the 90s) the head to head doesn't necessarily really mean that much except maybe for two names on the list, Steelers and Bengals.
You need some more to make a rivalry or enemy like a division or region or other unique relationship overy time.
I understand, I was simply listing which teams the Browns have had the closest and furthest records with.
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Over the ~65 years of the Cleveland Browns (minus a few in the 90s) the head to head doesn't necessarily really mean that much except maybe for two names on the list, Steelers and Bengals.
You need some more to make a rivalry or enemy like a division or region or other unique relationship overy time.
I understand, I was simply listing which teams the Browns have had the closest and furthest records with.
I understand, I was simply listing which teams the Browns have had the closest and furthest records with.
Oh yes, actually I was a bit surprised that's all there was to the list but sports tend to be a net sum zero deal. You really see it more in MLB.
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Plus if you meet three-years in a row in the playoffs?
Well, I can tell you that in that era of the 60s, the Browns had a much bigger rivalry with the Cardinals than with the Cowboys as far as that goes. And the Giants. Of course the Bengals didn't even exist....or were in the AFL. The Steelers "rivalry" was lopsided, as bad in our favor as it has been in their favor, and the fans were all that high on it. No, I remember the Giants being a big game because of the Brown/Huff matchup. The Cowboys were just a team we played in the playoffs....no real rivalry (maybe is seems more acute to you because you live in Texas now).
The Packers were no bigger than the Colts....we were aware that both were quality opponents.. For some reason the Cardinals stick out in my mind....because of some classic battles, including a 33-33 tie.
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Remember too in the 1950s and most of the 1960s you only had 12 or 14 teams with 12 or 14 games, fewer teams but you played them more often. Oh remember the SIX preseason games?
The merger was big followed by expansion follow by TV mania, slightly different game now.
I don't think the players feel the rivalries hardly at all now in pro ball....fans might.
Want that try the NCAA.
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Remember too in the 1950s and most of the 1960s you only had 12 or 14 teams with 12 or 14 games, fewer teams but you played them more often. Oh remember the SIX preseason games?
The merger was big followed by expansion follow by TV mania, slightly different game now.
I don't think the players feel the rivalries hardly at all now in pro ball....fans might.
Want that try the NCAA.
Remember too in the 1950s and most of the 1960s you only had 12 or 14 teams with 12 or 14 games, fewer teams but you played them more often. Oh remember the SIX preseason games?
The merger was big followed by expansion follow by TV mania, slightly different game now.
I don't think the players feel the rivalries hardly at all now in pro ball....fans might.
Want that try the NCAA.
All fair statements.
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Plus if you meet three-years in a row in the playoffs?
Well, I can tell you that in that era of the 60s, the Browns had a much bigger rivalry with the Cardinals than with the Cowboys as far as that goes. And the Giants. Of course the Bengals didn't even exist....or were in the AFL. The Steelers "rivalry" was lopsided, as bad in our favor as it has been in their favor, and the fans were all that high on it. No, I remember the Giants being a big game because of the Brown/Huff matchup. The Cowboys were just a team we played in the playoffs....no real rivalry (maybe is seems more acute to you because you live in Texas now).
The Packers were no bigger than the Colts....we were aware that both were quality opponents.. For some reason the Cardinals stick out in my mind....because of some classic battles, including a 33-33 tie.
Well, I can tell you that in that era of the 60s, the Browns had a much bigger rivalry with the Cardinals than with the Cowboys as far as that goes. And the Giants. Of course the Bengals didn't even exist....or were in the AFL. The Steelers "rivalry" was lopsided, as bad in our favor as it has been in their favor, and the fans were all that high on it. No, I remember the Giants being a big game because of the Brown/Huff matchup. The Cowboys were just a team we played in the playoffs....no real rivalry (maybe is seems more acute to you because you live in Texas now).
The Packers were no bigger than the Colts....we were aware that both were quality opponents.. For some reason the Cardinals stick out in my mind....because of some classic battles, including a 33-33 tie.
Sure... you can tell me... just as long as I do not have to agree...
Totally get the Sam Huff thing, but that was a player rivalry.
Also remember StL being a nemesis... one I always felt we should sweep, but seemingly never did. But we never met them in the playoffs.
Dallas? Living in Texas has nada to do with it. We had no greater rival in the late 60's than them... not in my book anyway. They are the one that came out of my childhood.
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In your opinion who are the top 5 biggest rivals/most hated teams of the Cleveland Browns? Rank your top 5...
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In your opinion who are the top 5 biggest rivals/most hated teams of the Cleveland Browns? Rank your top 5...
1. Steelers..rivalry and hate inbreds, especially steroidal inbreds.
2. Ravens..rivalry and hate baltimore for doing to us what was done to their city...CLASSLESS!
3. Bengals..in state rivalry.
4. Broncos..As long as "old horseteeth" is there, I hate 'em!
5. Jets..Hate Joe Willie, Rex, & everything about the jets...no reason, I don't need one.
Mike
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In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
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I hate the fucking Cowboys.
I don't care so much about the Broncos.
WSS
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In your opinion who are the top 5 biggest rivals/most hated teams of the Cleveland Browns? Rank your top 5...
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4.
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In your opinion who are the top 5 biggest rivals/most hated teams of the Cleveland Browns? Rank your top 5...
1. Pittsburgh
2. Ratbirds
3. BenGals
4. Titans (nee Oilers)
5.Denver
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In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
Raiders vs Steelers was great in the 70s.
You guys vs the Pats is probably like Browns-Broncos. broncos have our number, Pats have yours.
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In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.Yup... Historically success determined the "enemies" factor and competitiveness the rivalry factor...
... but in the age of the internet fans of other teams wandering into another "camp" can skew things.
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In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
That can change instantaneously. See this Sporting New site. I has the Browns/Steelers and Browns/Bengals as two of the top ten rivalries in the NFL. Also has Steeler/Ravens
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In general Steelers are enemy #1 among Brown, Ravens, and Bengals fans..
In general a Steeler fans ranking would go something like this.
1. Ravens
2. Bengals
3. Cowboys
4. Pats
5. Browns
Reluctant to even put the Browns on the list though. Sad fact is they aren't respected enough to even hate.
Raiders vs Steelers was great in the 70s.
You guys vs the Pats is probably like Browns-Broncos. broncos have our number, Pats have yours.
Raiders vs Steelers was great in the 70s.
You guys vs the Pats is probably like Browns-Broncos. broncos have our number, Pats have yours.
I am of the opinion that just because 2 teams are good at the same time, that does not make a real rivalry.
Browns/Broncos....not really....just a product of 3 matchups in AFC title games.
Steelers/Pats? No...same thing....if that is the case then the Pats have a rivalry with the Ravens as well.
I mean, what if in the next 5 years the Browns and the Jaguars became so good that they would meet in a couple of AFC title games....would that make an instantaneous rivalry? Not really.
The Broncos are still on the Browns list because that is the most recent teams we have had to butt heads with on a consitent basis in postseason play.
As someone noted, Browns once met the Cowboys in the playoffs 3 years in a row.....and while perhaps in his mind that still remains a big rivalry.....I think he is alone in that factor.
Browns once met both Lions and Rams on a consistent basis. Rams used to be in Cleveland. Should that be a factor? That was a big rivalry then....should it still be? Not really.
No, I think the proximity rivalries are probably the best. In that respect then, the NFL misses out. Could you see biannual meetings of the Jets/Giants? 49ers/Raiders? Redskins/Ravens? Cowboys/Texans? Miami/Tampa?
These would be premier rivalries if they were allowed to happen.
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I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
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I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
So, you would be one to buy into the great Buffalo/Jacksonville Rivalry....if it were to come to pass that those teams were good at the same time and met in the playoffs a few times? Sorry, I don't buy it.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
Those are big intradivisional rivalries based on some sort of geographic connection....except Dallas/Washington....which has the Cowboys and Indians thing going for it. So they at least make some sense.
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I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
Agree... division alignments set the stage, but playoff clashes cinch rivalries... and to meet there you have to successful.
Saints-Falcons is only one I don't see in your "divisional rivals" list. I'd be prone to sub in the 'Boys-Giants... another divisional one. One developing one is the Seahawks-Cards, but the clock on the Cards' side may be ticking on its development.
Odd that the Pats don't have a divisional one that springs to mind... too dominant I guess. Only Pats rival that comes to mind is the Colts because of their semi-recent playoff clashes.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I don't know Gip, I think great rivalries happen over a period of hotly contested games. Raiders-Steelers, and Raiders-Dolphins were truly great games when I was a kid. When Stabler was falling down, and flipped that pass to Clarence Davis, it ended the Dolphins run of greatness.
People may disagree with me, but I'd say the best NFL rivalries are Browns-Steelers, Bears-Packers, Raiders-Chiefs, Saints-Falcons, Raiders-Chargers, Cowboys-Redskins.
Agree... division alignments set the stage, but playoff clashes cinch rivalries... and to meet there you have to successful.
Saints-Falcons is only one I don't see in your "divisional rivals" list. I'd be prone to sub in the 'Boys-Giants... another divisional one. One developing one is the Seahawks-Cards, but the clock on the Cards' side may be ticking on its development.
Odd that the Pats don't have a divisional one that springs to mind... too dominant I guess. Only Pats rival that comes to mind is the Colts because of their semi-recent playoff clashes.
Agree... division alignments set the stage, but playoff clashes cinch rivalries... and to meet there you have to successful.
Saints-Falcons is only one I don't see in your "divisional rivals" list. I'd be prone to sub in the 'Boys-Giants... another divisional one. One developing one is the Seahawks-Cards, but the clock on the Cards' side may be ticking on its development.
Odd that the Pats don't have a divisional one that springs to mind... too dominant I guess. Only Pats rival that comes to mind is the Colts because of their semi-recent playoff clashes.
The Jets believe that they are a rival of the Pats. Before Brady and BB arrived that was a pretty even up rivalry. But, its like the Browns/Steelers, one side has been overly dominant lately.
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