Thoughts on the defensive front from tonights game and holy shit Nassib looks legit..
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I wonder what the draft pick #would be if calculated by some numbers guy....... Like 12 picks in a year / how many years, what would be the common denominator or whatever it'd be called that #28th pick is the browns?
I mean is there really value in trading down and drafting 2nd and 3rd stringers to be sideline cannon fodder vs. keeping the pick and drafting in the top 5 which we could have done for the past gazzillion years?
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I would like to see Nassib against a team's #1's.
Our DL is playing like a bunch of backups......because that's mainly what they are.
Gilbert tackles like he's a place kicker.
....our D is just plain sad.
I would like to see Nassib against a team's #1's.
Our DL is playing like a bunch of backups......because that's mainly what they are.
Gilbert tackles like he's a place kicker.
....our D is just plain sad.
agreed- second game in a row Nassib had a big play, other than that, the defense sucked. Couldn't tackle, couldn't get any pressure on the quarterback- and the run defense was unwatchable.
Cut the 32nd player picked? Uh, no.
Exactly. He had one sub par game.
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Ogbah looks slow and non explosive. If it roster gets tight i wouldnt' be adverse to cutting him
Cut the 32nd player picked? Uh, no.
I wouldn't be against cutting the 8th player picked...Bustin Gilbert.Cut the 32nd player picked? Uh, no.
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I would like to see Nassib against a team's #1's.
Our DL is playing like a bunch of backups......because that's mainly what they are.
Gilbert tackles like he's a place kicker.
....our D is just plain sad.
I would like to see Nassib against a team's #1's.
Our DL is playing like a bunch of backups......because that's mainly what they are.
Gilbert tackles like he's a place kicker.
....our D is just plain sad.
Please stop insulting place kickers! LOL
Gilbert is a farce.
Mike
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I wouldn't be against cutting the 8th player picked...Bustin Gilbert.
Now that I can get on board with. (our flabby NT better start playing like a high 1st round pick too, or he's gonna be put in sentences like this next year)
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I wouldn't be against cutting the 8th player picked...Bustin Gilbert.
Now that I can get on board with. (our flabby NT better start playing like a high 1st round pick too, or he's gonna be put in sentences like this next year)
Now that I can get on board with. (our flabby NT better start playing like a high 1st round pick too, or he's gonna be put in sentences like this next year)
He had a lot more weight to push around last year so he could hold a spot without really doing much else. This year he lost it all too quickly without replacing it with a lot more muscle. End result? You can see it. Now he can't hold a spot either. I feel pretty much the same way about Erving. We drafted two tubs, not strong athletic linemen.
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Ogbah looks slow and non explosive. If it roster gets tight i wouldnt' be adverse to cutting him
Cut the 32nd player picked? Uh, no.
Cut the 32nd player picked? Uh, no.
Former #8 and #6 players overall could be cut though.
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2012 - #3 - traded for a first, somehow, without a team
2012 - #22 - cut
2013 - #6 - will be cut
2014 - #8 - could be cut
2014 - #22 - cut
2015 - #12 done nothing of note
2015 - #19 'done nothing of note' would be an improvement
7 first round picks from three regimes and none have looked even close to pro-bowl level. That's some bad luck.
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2012 - #3 - traded for a first, somehow, without a team
2012 - #22 - cut
2013 - #6 - will be cut
2014 - #8 - could be cut
2014 - #22 - cut
2015 - #12 done nothing of note
2015 - #19 'done nothing of note' would be an improvement
7 first round picks from three regimes and none have looked even close to pro-bowl level. That's some bad luck.
2012 - #3 - traded for a first, somehow, without a team
2012 - #22 - cut
2013 - #6 - will be cut
2014 - #8 - could be cut
2014 - #22 - cut
2015 - #12 done nothing of note
2015 - #19 'done nothing of note' would be an improvement
7 first round picks from three regimes and none have looked even close to pro-bowl level. That's some bad luck.
Pro Bowl level? I wish one of them could have at least become a decent/solid starter. Maybe some hope still for Shelton/Erving, but they are right now deer in the headlight players.
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2012 - #3 - traded for a first, somehow, without a team
2012 - #22 - cut
2013 - #6 - will be cut
2014 - #8 - could be cut
2014 - #22 - cut
2015 - #12 done nothing of note
2015 - #19 'done nothing of note' would be an improvement
7 first round picks from three regimes and none have looked even close to pro-bowl level. That's some bad luck.
Pro Bowl level? I wish one of them could have at least become a decent/solid starter. Maybe some hope still for Shelton/Erving, but they are right now deer in the headlight players.
Pro Bowl level? I wish one of them could have at least become a decent/solid starter. Maybe some hope still for Shelton/Erving, but they are right now deer in the headlight players.
Sure but for a first round pick you want higher expectations.
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Pro Bowl level? I wish one of them could have at least become a decent/solid starter. Maybe some hope still for Shelton/Erving, but they are right now deer in the headlight players.
Sure but for a first round pick you want higher expectations.
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Ogbah doesn't appear to me to be "explosive", but I have definitely seen some "straight line" speed. I know that might sound silly, but that's what my eyes tell me. I have high hopes for him though.
The Nassib strip-sack was great, but it was similar to Meder's safety. It was a protection breakdown that resulted in a nice play, but it wasn't like Nassib did a bunch. Still...he displayed unusual speed for a man his size and not only got the ball out, but recovered it. Very nice indeed. I did not get a chance to see his sack that was called back due to Gilbert's penalty. Hopefully he beat his man and showed something there.
Danny Shelton had a nice play or two, but somebody who knows more about DT's will have to evaluate his play.
Tackling is definitely an issue, and this scares me. That being said, it's the friggin' preseason, and it's not like teams can practice tackling all that much. Hopefully we get better there.
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Former #8 and #6 players overall could be cut though.
True, but they both got more than 2 pre-season games...........
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Former #8 and #6 players overall could be cut though.
True, but they both got more than 2 pre-season games...........
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Justin Gilbert & Manziel were two picks that should have been Kalhil Mack & anyone but Manziel. Farmer gave us the rebuild that set us back a decade.
Gilbert better do something this year besides punt returns.
RG3 and Pryor might work some magic but we need an Oline if theyre going to stay healthy
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Justin Gilbert & Manziel were two picks that should have been Kalhil Mack & anyone but Manziel. Farmer gave us the rebuild that set us back a decade.
Gilbert better do something this year besides punt returns.
RG3 and Pryor might work some magic but we need an Oline if theyre going to stay healthy
Justin Gilbert & Manziel were two picks that should have been Kalhil Mack & anyone but Manziel. Farmer gave us the rebuild that set us back a decade.
Gilbert better do something this year besides punt returns.
RG3 and Pryor might work some magic but we need an Oline if theyre going to stay healthy
Or, at least Sammy Watkins if not Khalil.
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the people who wanted mack were right. the people who liked gilbert were wrong, me.
watkins is still a question mark. bills seem to be in trouble right out of the gate.
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Only viewed the 1st half so far...
With the exception of Nassib our DL seemed to be "catching"... almost so uniform I wonder if it's being coached. With his exception I don't see any explosion into the blockers.
With the exception of Nassib I do not see a pass rusher capable of beating pass pro 1-on-1.
Now before I seem too fanboyish I have to say that Nassib is currently:
- a liability vs. the run. Saw him handled by a big TE. Mostly he is picking a side against the run... the penetration looks good, but so far he hasn't guessed correctly.
- limited to a edge rush vs. the pass. Going to need that secondary move there. When packaged into the interior he was not effective.
But oh how I love his motor... Highest revving I've seen since Billy's rookie year.
As for the rest of the D...
- Loved seeing the line stunts in the pass rush... even freed Danny late in the half... unfortunately he only succeeded in getting in Nassib's way preventing a potential sack.
- Discipline wasn't good. DEs bit on boot action every time.
- Blitzing did not produce much pressure. Kirksey's early free-run was the only lane creation I noted.
- LBs by and large were unremarkable other than a moment here and there. Only one playing with "game intensity" I saw was Tank who flew around late and appeared to make very fast and correct run reads... wish he could pass defend.
- DBs? No one rocked anyone... Gilbert is a candidate for the position of WhiffMaster General. And why Taylor was determined to take a tall, lanky WR down high is beyond me... at least he was our best cover man for a couple series. On Positive note there were no blown assignments that I saw and coverage was at least in the area... step or two behind, but in the area.
2nd half later...
And both halves of O in the game thread...
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I wonder what the draft pick #would be if calculated by some numbers guy....... Like 12 picks in a year / how many years, what would be the common denominator or whatever it'd be called that #28th pick is the browns?
I mean is there really value in trading down and drafting 2nd and 3rd stringers to be sideline cannon fodder vs. keeping the pick and drafting in the top 5 which we could have done for the past gazzillion years?
I wonder what the draft pick #would be if calculated by some numbers guy....... Like 12 picks in a year / how many years, what would be the common denominator or whatever it'd be called that #28th pick is the browns?
I mean is there really value in trading down and drafting 2nd and 3rd stringers to be sideline cannon fodder vs. keeping the pick and drafting in the top 5 which we could have done for the past gazzillion years?
Yes.
For a team like the Browns have been, the value is there........if you don't cut the cannon fodder after two years and get a new guy to install new cannon fodder.
Two years ago, the Browns were a team of third stringers with one or two mid level talent players and two or three backup level players.
Now, this is a team of backups with one or two star potential players and two or three mid-level talent players.
Add a couple high draft picks next year and one or two FA acquisitions and now it's a team of mid level starters with maybe one elite level player, and two or three stars.
For the love of God...just don't hit the reset button again.
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