Bosa
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So on one hand we have a small group of people saying -
A) Joey is asking for what every other 3rd overall pick since the CBA and after this year will receive across the league. NOT this 'in line with every other Chargers player' bullshit. Every 3rd overall pick.
An opinion backed by many league analysts, observes, players, their Union and also the recent stingy ass history of the Chargers ownership.
B ) This other group saying Joey is 'me only' and not a team player or an asshole for failing to sign a contract that NO other 3rd overall pick has previously agreed to.
So.... that about right?
So on one hand we have a small group of people saying -
A) Joey is asking for what every other 3rd overall pick since the CBA and after this year will receive across the league. NOT this 'in line with every other Chargers player' bullshit. Every 3rd overall pick.
An opinion backed by many league analysts, observes, players, their Union and also the recent stingy ass history of the Chargers ownership.
B ) This other group saying Joey is 'me only' and not a team player or an asshole for failing to sign a contract that NO other 3rd overall pick has previously agreed to.
So.... that about right?
Yep that about sums it up. The feeling out here is that in order to negotiate though, both sides have to give on something. The Chargers started at offering like 50% of the signing bonus now and the rest later, Bosa says no I want 100%. The Chargers come up to 85% now and the rest later and Bosa says fuck you I want 100% now. Its going to cost him money now and if he truly sits out the year, theres no fucking way he goes in the top 3 next year so was this really a smart decision? NFL careers are not that long for the most part, is he really willing to give up 1 of those years over what really amounts to about $400k that he would earn in interest getting 100% now vs. 85%?? Fucking stupid if you ask me.
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So on one hand we have a small group of people saying -
A) Joey is asking for what every other 3rd overall pick since the CBA and after this year will receive across the league. NOT this 'in line with every other Chargers player' bullshit. Every 3rd overall pick.
An opinion backed by many league analysts, observes, players, their Union and also the recent stingy ass history of the Chargers ownership.
B ) This other group saying Joey is 'me only' and not a team player or an asshole for failing to sign a contract that NO other 3rd overall pick has previously agreed to.
So.... that about right?
Yep that about sums it up. The feeling out here is that in order to negotiate though, both sides have to give on something. The Chargers started at offering like 50% of the signing bonus now and the rest later, Bosa says no I want 100%. The Chargers come up to 85% now and the rest later and Bosa says fuck you I want 100% now. Its going to cost him money now and if he truly sits out the year, theres no fucking way he goes in the top 3 next year so was this really a smart decision? NFL careers are not that long for the most part, is he really willing to give up 1 of those years over what really amounts to about $400k that he would earn in interest getting 100% now vs. 85%?? Fucking stupid if you ask me.
Yep that about sums it up. The feeling out here is that in order to negotiate though, both sides have to give on something. The Chargers started at offering like 50% of the signing bonus now and the rest later, Bosa says no I want 100%. The Chargers come up to 85% now and the rest later and Bosa says fuck you I want 100% now. Its going to cost him money now and if he truly sits out the year, theres no fucking way he goes in the top 3 next year so was this really a smart decision? NFL careers are not that long for the most part, is he really willing to give up 1 of those years over what really amounts to about $400k that he would earn in interest getting 100% now vs. 85%?? Fucking stupid if you ask me.
That's true but what should Bosa REALLY have to negotiate for? He wants what everyone else has gotten - nothing more, nothing less.
He's 21 years old, say he sits out this entire year and gets redrafted next year. He'd still likely get at least 10 years out of his career. Personally, I'd rather 10 years with a franchise I wanted to play for than 11 years with a franchise that is just a pile of shit garbage.
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Yep that about sums it up. The feeling out here is that in order to negotiate though, both sides have to give on something. The Chargers started at offering like 50% of the signing bonus now and the rest later, Bosa says no I want 100%. The Chargers come up to 85% now and the rest later and Bosa says fuck you I want 100% now. Its going to cost him money now and if he truly sits out the year, theres no fucking way he goes in the top 3 next year so was this really a smart decision? NFL careers are not that long for the most part, is he really willing to give up 1 of those years over what really amounts to about $400k that he would earn in interest getting 100% now vs. 85%?? Fucking stupid if you ask me.
That's true but what should Bosa REALLY have to negotiate for? He wants what everyone else has gotten - nothing more, nothing less.
He's 21 years old, say he sits out this entire year and gets redrafted next year. He'd still likely get at least 10 years out of his career. Personally, I'd rather 10 years with a franchise I wanted to play for than 11 years with a franchise that is just a pile of shit garbage.
That's true but what should Bosa REALLY have to negotiate for? He wants what everyone else has gotten - nothing more, nothing less.
He's 21 years old, say he sits out this entire year and gets redrafted next year. He'd still likely get at least 10 years out of his career. Personally, I'd rather 10 years with a franchise I wanted to play for than 11 years with a franchise that is just a pile of shit garbage.
But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft.
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That's true but what should Bosa REALLY have to negotiate for? He wants what everyone else has gotten - nothing more, nothing less.
He's 21 years old, say he sits out this entire year and gets redrafted next year. He'd still likely get at least 10 years out of his career. Personally, I'd rather 10 years with a franchise I wanted to play for than 11 years with a franchise that is just a pile of shit garbage.
But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft.
But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft.
I think it is also over the issue of offset language, is it not?
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That's true but what should Bosa REALLY have to negotiate for? He wants what everyone else has gotten - nothing more, nothing less.
He's 21 years old, say he sits out this entire year and gets redrafted next year. He'd still likely get at least 10 years out of his career. Personally, I'd rather 10 years with a franchise I wanted to play for than 11 years with a franchise that is just a pile of shit garbage.
But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft.
But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft.
To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer.
Plus I fucking hate the Chargers.
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft.
To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer.
Plus I fucking hate the Chargers.
To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer.
Plus I fucking hate the Chargers.
^^^this
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Bosa really isnt in the wrong here when u look into this. We'll see how the year goes but if our olb'ers dont work out why not take a look at bosa if he re enters the draft?
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But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft.
To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer.
Plus I fucking hate the Chargers.
To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer.
Agree...
What does the likely crop of edge rushers look like for 2017? Will Joey's draft status actually be hurt that much?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
But it's not like he's not getting all of that money. It's 400k in interest....you'd seriously throw away one year of your career over essentially pocket change when you're getting 14 million? And you won't get that same signing bonus next year. Sit out a year and he's not going in the top 3 in next years draft.
To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer.
Plus I fucking hate the Chargers.
To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer.
Plus I fucking hate the Chargers.
I always kind of like the Chargers....and I certainly don't want to see them move from SD.
But they do have the reputation as a chintzy, disputatious organization. That is why Eli...and his dad, wanted nothing to do with them.
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he wants everything up front cuz he knows either
1): he's gonna lay down or 2): he's gonna bust worse that mandarich.
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To me, its no longer about money. It's principle. Your employer is trying to lowball you from the moment you walk in the door - why would you stay there? There's 31 other employers that you can work for. Take your year, keep working out, and go to a different employer.
Agree...
What does the likely crop of edge rushers look like for 2017? Will Joey's draft status actually be hurt that much?
What does the likely crop of edge rushers look like for 2017? Will Joey's draft status actually be hurt that much?
After scanning a couple sites, it looks like TAMU's Miles Garrett is about it for the consensus 1st round as of now.
PFF does additionally mention a Tennessee kid, Derek Barnett.
Rivals mentions both and adds a couple more... in one of the more confusingly laid out articles I've seen in a long time.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
he wants everything up front cuz he knows either
1): he's gonna lay down or 2): he's gonna bust worse that mandarich.
he wants everything up front cuz he knows either
1): he's gonna lay down or 2): he's gonna bust worse that mandarich.
U watched ohio st play while he was there right? So you saw that he didnt rely solely on his strength to get to the qb, right? Could you give the kid some credit for having an advanced skillset that was considered nfl quality before he even declared? I mean we just cut a guy that we made millions to for 4 years that doesnt have a fraction of bosa's pass rush toolset.
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What does the likely crop of edge rushers look like for 2017? Will Joey's draft status actually be hurt that much?
After scanning a couple sites, it looks like TAMU's Miles Garrett is about it for the consensus 1st round as of now.
PFF does additionally mention a Tennessee kid, Derek Barnett.
Rivals mentions both and adds a couple more... in one of the more confusingly laid out articles I've seen in a long time.
After scanning a couple sites, it looks like TAMU's Miles Garrett is about it for the consensus 1st round as of now.
PFF does additionally mention a Tennessee kid, Derek Barnett.
Rivals mentions both and adds a couple more... in one of the more confusingly laid out articles I've seen in a long time.
He's the only one I know of right now. I figured I'd give it at least two weeks into the NFL regular season before I started getting excited for the draft. What can I say...Hue and RG3 are making me a little more optimistic than years past.
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He has signed his deal
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signed
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/joey-bosa-ends-ugly-stalemate-with-chargers-signs-four-year-deal/
Maybe now the thread should be closed.
It seems that the Chargers got the offset language, but Bosa got the upfront bonus.
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Damn, oh well
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Maybe he had a little talk with Michael Crabtree.
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Tell you what Gipper you can ride that train forever. If asshole behavior doesn't bother you that's your choice pal.
He can hold out and wait for next year's draft for all I give a shit.
I also don't give a shit if the Chargers pay him a king's ransom and he sucks.
(or goes to the hall of fame for that matter)
WSS
We have had our share of assholes on the Browns, behaviorily. Honestly, as far as Browns players are concerned, I am only concerned that they play well.
The better they play, the less of an asshole they are, fair to say?
We have had our share of assholes on the Browns, behaviorily. Honestly, as far as Browns players are concerned, I am only concerned that they play well.
The better they play, the less of an asshole they are, fair to say?
Sure but it really depends on how much and what kind of an asshole.
Anyway he sign his deal and if I was a Chargers fan expect him to play up to it and be pissed off he didn't.
Like my boy Brady Quinn.
WSS
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We have had our share of assholes on the Browns, behaviorily. Honestly, as far as Browns players are concerned, I am only concerned that they play well.
The better they play, the less of an asshole they are, fair to say?
Sure but it really depends on how much and what kind of an asshole.
Anyway he sign his deal and if I was a Chargers fan expect him to play up to it and be pissed off he didn't.
Like my boy Brady Quinn.
WSS
Sure but it really depends on how much and what kind of an asshole.
Anyway he sign his deal and if I was a Chargers fan expect him to play up to it and be pissed off he didn't.
Like my boy Brady Quinn.
WSS
If Bosa has a Brady Quinn like career, then 99.99999% of us don't know shit about football.
Though to be fair....but hopefully not prescient, Bosa's father was the #16 overall pick in the draft in 1987.....and was really a bust (played only 3 below mediocre years).
And his uncle is Eric Kumerow....from OSU....also the #16 overall pick in the draft in the 90s......also a bust.
So, the family tradition is to be drafted high and play poorly.
I don't think that will happen with Bosa.....but I wouldn't discount it. (If he had been drafted by the Browns his busting out would have likely been a certainty.)
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