Andy Lee Traded to Panthers
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Lee was the best punter we've had in a long time but just another "sell the farm" move which I've remarked here a bunch has been the plan for day one. I don't buy for a second it was because of a lazy tackle effort in a game. It's about getting an above average value for a guy who basically had one more year left to punt on an awful football team.
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I wasn't happy with Lee not even making an attempt at a tackle on the punt return for a TD and was glad to see Hue let him have it on the sidelines but I never thought they would let him go over it. Cleve makes an excellent point on field position and the difference a great punter can make. Did we just cut off our nose to spite our face here? Shaking my head on this one.
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Lee was the best punter we've had in a long time but just another "sell the farm" move which I've remarked here a bunch has been the plan for day one. I don't buy for a second it was because of a lazy tackle effort in a game. It's about getting an above average value for a guy who basically had one more year left to punt on an awful football team.
Lee was the best punter we've had in a long time but just another "sell the farm" move which I've remarked here a bunch has been the plan for day one. I don't buy for a second it was because of a lazy tackle effort in a game. It's about getting an above average value for a guy who basically had one more year left to punt on an awful football team.
So they got a return on an investment that wouldn't pay off unless they acted now? Sounds like a terrible move.......oh wait.
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Brilliant.
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On the punt return in question, I think Lee had the same attitude as the defense...just let them score!
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Zombo said:
I love it. We are getting rid of all the pussies.
Z
--Hue is the man!
I love it also. I never liked the idea of trading for him when we had a good punter who could also kick field goals. (Spencer Lanning as I recall)
But one thing I DID learn...Andy Lee is a wicked good punter.
I can just hear Hue informing the team of the trade; "We will not tolerate anything less than your best effort. I don't care WHO you think you are."
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http://nfltraderumors.co/trade-browns-trade-veteran-p-andy-lee-panthers/
Brilliant move. He decided not to put effort in trying to tackle the return man in Tampa Bay. Team played like crap as a whole. Hue's sending a message. If you don't want to put in 100%, you're gone. Don't care if you are a veteran, one of the best at your position. You're gone. Best part, is it's just a punter, so not like it's gonna impact the team all that much.
The culture change is real.
Edit: I can't believe the Browns got a fourth round pick and a punter for Andy Lee and a seventh round pick. Holy crap lol.
I am not sure his effort was an issue....it is getting a 4th and 7th for a punter. A good one.
Andy Lee is probably happy going from what may be one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best.
Andy Lee is probably happy going from what may be one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best.
Lee's home & wife is in Charlotte,NC.."MaMa am home"..
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Andy Lee is probably happy going from what may be one of the worst teams in the league to one of the best.
Lee's home & wife is in Charlotte,NC.."MaMa am home"..
Lee's home & wife is in Charlotte,NC.."MaMa am home"..
I think it may have been more of a favor to Lee than a punishment. He is sent, as you say to where his family lives....and to a team that was just in the Super Bowl.
How is that a punishment for Lee?
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The ONLY message the Browns are sending is that they have no intention or interest in trying to win....none....
LAST WEEK....When asked if the Browns were throwing in the season by making so many "odd" moves, Sashi was insistent that the Browns want to win now and everything they do is to win now....
Biggest sack of shit lie Ive ever heard.....they have cut or released about 8 STARTERS and replaced them with exactly 1....
Andy Lee was our best bet to get field position....sad but true.....
And, while I HATED Mingo and Krugers game....we have no linebackers to replace them....
Pathetic pathetic pathetic...
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I think it may have been more of a favor to Lee than a punishment. He is sent, as you say to where his family lives....and to a team that was just in the Super Bowl.
How is that a punishment for Lee?
Because it's not. This literally had nothing to do with the tackling thing, you guys need to stop acting the sheriff came to town. They got a good value pick for a punter who is 34 years old. That's it-
The ONLY message the Browns are sending is that they have no intention or interest in trying to win....none....
LAST WEEK....When asked if the Browns were throwing in the season by making so many "odd" moves, Sashi was insistent that the Browns want to win now and everything they do is to win now....
Biggest sack of shit lie Ive ever heard.....they have cut or released about 8 STARTERS and replaced them with exactly 1....
Andy Lee was our best bet to get field position....sad but true.....
And, while I HATED Mingo and Krugers game....we have no linebackers to replace them....
Pathetic pathetic pathetic...
It's frustrating, but this is what a TRUE rebuild looks like. I saw the Panthers do this exact same thing in 2010-2011 before/after drafting Cam Newton. A bunch of head scratching moves but was the reason they got players like Luke, all those dope defensive linemen, and the MVP of the NFL last year.
Honestly, it stings to say but this team was gonna blow whether guys like Lee were on the team anyway. So would you rather win 4-5 games with Lee or 2-3 without him and others? I get it but this FO has made no bones about their plans from day one. This stuff only continues to show it.
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Lee could have tried to get in the way, he still would not have made any physical contact.
This team is so F'n bad, 1-15.
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I think it may have been more of a favor to Lee than a punishment. He is sent, as you say to where his family lives....and to a team that was just in the Super Bowl.
How is that a punishment for Lee?
Agents talk Gip. This was all over Brns & Carolina not offering up enough to Denver for P Brittion Colquitt..Than the Monte Hall let's make a deal begins..
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
I think it may have been more of a favor to Lee than a punishment. He is sent, as you say to where his family lives....and to a team that was just in the Super Bowl.
How is that a punishment for Lee?
Because it's not. This literally had nothing to do with the tackling thing, you guys need to stop acting the sheriff came to town. They got a good value pick for a punter who is 34 years old. That's it-
The ONLY message the Browns are sending is that they have no intention or interest in trying to win....none....
LAST WEEK....When asked if the Browns were throwing in the season by making so many "odd" moves, Sashi was insistent that the Browns want to win now and everything they do is to win now....
Biggest sack of shit lie Ive ever heard.....they have cut or released about 8 STARTERS and replaced them with exactly 1....
Andy Lee was our best bet to get field position....sad but true.....
And, while I HATED Mingo and Krugers game....we have no linebackers to replace them....
Pathetic pathetic pathetic...
It's frustrating, but this is what a TRUE rebuild looks like. I saw the Panthers do this exact same thing in 2010-2011 before/after drafting Cam Newton. A bunch of head scratching moves but was the reason they got players like Luke, all those dope defensive linemen, and the MVP of the NFL last year.
Honestly, it stings to say but this team was gonna blow whether guys like Lee were on the team anyway. So would you rather win 4-5 games with Lee or 2-3 without him and others? I get it but this FO has made no bones about their plans from day one. This stuff only continues to show it.
Because it's not. This literally had nothing to do with the tackling thing, you guys need to stop acting the sheriff came to town. They got a good value pick for a punter who is 34 years old. That's it-
It's frustrating, but this is what a TRUE rebuild looks like. I saw the Panthers do this exact same thing in 2010-2011 before/after drafting Cam Newton. A bunch of head scratching moves but was the reason they got players like Luke, all those dope defensive linemen, and the MVP of the NFL last year.
Honestly, it stings to say but this team was gonna blow whether guys like Lee were on the team anyway. So would you rather win 4-5 games with Lee or 2-3 without him and others? I get it but this FO has made no bones about their plans from day one. This stuff only continues to show it.
All spot on, nobody should be surprised.
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I think it may have been more of a favor to Lee than a punishment. He is sent, as you say to where his family lives....and to a team that was just in the Super Bowl.
How is that a punishment for Lee?
Because it's not. This literally had nothing to do with the tackling thing, you guys need to stop acting the sheriff came to town. They got a good value pick for a punter who is 34 years old. That's it-
The ONLY message the Browns are sending is that they have no intention or interest in trying to win....none....
LAST WEEK....When asked if the Browns were throwing in the season by making so many "odd" moves, Sashi was insistent that the Browns want to win now and everything they do is to win now....
Biggest sack of shit lie Ive ever heard.....they have cut or released about 8 STARTERS and replaced them with exactly 1....
Andy Lee was our best bet to get field position....sad but true.....
And, while I HATED Mingo and Krugers game....we have no linebackers to replace them....
Pathetic pathetic pathetic...
It's frustrating, but this is what a TRUE rebuild looks like. I saw the Panthers do this exact same thing in 2010-2011 before/after drafting Cam Newton. A bunch of head scratching moves but was the reason they got players like Luke, all those dope defensive linemen, and the MVP of the NFL last year.
Honestly, it stings to say but this team was gonna blow whether guys like Lee were on the team anyway. So would you rather win 4-5 games with Lee or 2-3 without him and others? I get it but this FO has made no bones about their plans from day one. This stuff only continues to show it.
I get it but this FO has made no bones about their plans from day one. This stuff only continues to show it.
Thats not true.....they never said they were stripping the roster bare of all highly paid/mature players.....and, just last week, Sashi went on record as saying the were NOT rebuilding and everything they do is in an effort to win....and they are playing to win now....
Lying sack of crap....(and a bad decision maker too)....
Embarrassing your growing" team and fans on a weekly basis is NOT how this team will get better or create a winning culture.....they are immersing all their new talent and rookies in a cesspool of shit......
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I get it but this FO has made no bones about their plans from day one. This stuff only continues to show it.
Thats not true.....they never said they were stripping the roster bare of all highly paid/mature players.....and, just last week, Sashi went on record as saying the were NOT rebuilding and everything they do is in an effort to win....and they are playing to win now....
Lying sack of crap....(and a bad decision maker too)....
Embarrassing your growing" team and fans on a weekly basis is NOT how this team will get better or create a winning culture.....they are immersing all their new talent and rookies in a cesspool of shit......
Thats not true.....they never said they were stripping the roster bare of all highly paid/mature players.....and, just last week, Sashi went on record as saying the were NOT rebuilding and everything they do is in an effort to win....and they are playing to win now....
Lying sack of crap....(and a bad decision maker too)....
Embarrassing your growing" team and fans on a weekly basis is NOT how this team will get better or create a winning culture.....they are immersing all their new talent and rookies in a cesspool of shit......
How many GMs have come out and said "oh yeah this is a rebuild and we are totally going to suck"? The fans would revolt. They want a Superbowl team without any of the growing pains. This roster sucks and will be rebuilt.
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I get it but this FO has made no bones about their plans from day one. This stuff only continues to show it.
Thats not true.....they never said they were stripping the roster bare of all highly paid/mature players.....and, just last week, Sashi went on record as saying the were NOT rebuilding and everything they do is in an effort to win....and they are playing to win now....
Lying sack of crap....(and a bad decision maker too)....
Embarrassing your growing" team and fans on a weekly basis is NOT how this team will get better or create a winning culture.....they are immersing all their new talent and rookies in a cesspool of shit......
I still think they plan on doing the Indianapolis version of "suck for Luck" to get the first pick in the draft.Thats not true.....they never said they were stripping the roster bare of all highly paid/mature players.....and, just last week, Sashi went on record as saying the were NOT rebuilding and everything they do is in an effort to win....and they are playing to win now....
Lying sack of crap....(and a bad decision maker too)....
Embarrassing your growing" team and fans on a weekly basis is NOT how this team will get better or create a winning culture.....they are immersing all their new talent and rookies in a cesspool of shit......
Maybe we can call it "lose on for Deshaun".
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
I get it but this FO has made no bones about their plans from day one. This stuff only continues to show it.
Thats not true.....they never said they were stripping the roster bare of all highly paid/mature players.....and, just last week, Sashi went on record as saying the were NOT rebuilding and everything they do is in an effort to win....and they are playing to win now....
Lying sack of crap....(and a bad decision maker too)....
Embarrassing your growing" team and fans on a weekly basis is NOT how this team will get better or create a winning culture.....they are immersing all their new talent and rookies in a cesspool of shit......
Thats not true.....they never said they were stripping the roster bare of all highly paid/mature players.....and, just last week, Sashi went on record as saying the were NOT rebuilding and everything they do is in an effort to win....and they are playing to win now....
Lying sack of crap....(and a bad decision maker too)....
Embarrassing your growing" team and fans on a weekly basis is NOT how this team will get better or create a winning culture.....they are immersing all their new talent and rookies in a cesspool of shit......
Well yes, Sashi literally never said "we plan to get value for players worth trading and suck ass while young guys get reps". Of course they are going to say publicly they are trying to win and making moves to do so. That's literally coach/FO speak 101 Mud...
If you really didn't see this coming from draft day and all the moves they've made that's really unfortunate. It was clear as hell to me, and I was fine with it to be honest. As noted, every "good" player they've parted with would not have made this team more than a 5 win team. I'd rather truly suck and possibly get the elite QB as opposed to the typical below average crap of the last idk, decade.
Read up on the Panthers in the 2-14 season before Cam was drafted. I'm telling you, it blows but it's actually not a bad strategy for once.
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