LIONS NEW LOOK AND LOGO......BROWNS SHOULD TOO!
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Changing the uniform or helmets is a BAD idea. Changing the talent and attitude is a GOOD idea.
When we lift the trophy I want it to be with the same logoless helmets and non nonsense uniform to that we can restore the pride in what this team is all about.
It would seriously break my heart and render us a bunch of pussies to have anything near "pizazz". Imagine changing the uniform to the "pizazz" version and still coming in 4 - 12. No thanks.
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@inspecta said:
Gee if I didn't know any better I'd say you sound like a Steeler fan.....oh wait...Just because your oblivious to what transpired before 1999 doesn't mean we are a losing franchise.
And nice shot about Cleveland women, man you are racking up the "greatest fan of alltime" points.
Care to look up Jim Brown's address, go to his home, knock on the door then when he answers spit in his face?
You mean the Jim Brown from the 60's...and we are now in what?...2009....So were supposed to hold onto that??/.
for how long?....Let it Go MAN!....This is a good time to bury that era...even if it was a winning time...Be Gone, and move on How many fans in the stadium were even born at that time...???
Nothing worse then a hanger on who lives in the past!
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@inspecta said:
Gee if I didn't know any better I'd say you sound like a Steeler fan.....oh wait...Just because your oblivious to what transpired before 1999 doesn't mean we are a losing franchise.
And nice shot about Cleveland women, man you are racking up the "greatest fan of alltime" points.
Care to look up Jim Brown's address, go to his home, knock on the door then when he answers spit in his face?
You mean the Jim Brown from the 60's...and we are now in what?...2009....So were supposed to hold onto that??/.
for how long?....Let it Go MAN!....This is a good time to bury that era...even if it was a winning time...Be Gone, and move on How many fans in the stadium were even born at that time...???
Nothing worse then a hanger on who lives in the past!
You mean the Jim Brown from the 60's...and we are now in what?...2009....So were supposed to hold onto that??/.
for how long?....Let it Go MAN!....This is a good time to bury that era...even if it was a winning time...Be Gone, and move on How many fans in the stadium were even born at that time...???
Nothing worse then a hanger on who lives in the past!
We don't need more fans, we'll keep our history, thanks.
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Actually I'm a big fan of the helmets with the numbers, theyre awesome, I also like the orange jerseys.
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Do the Penn State thing.
Keep the helmets the same, but use the Dawg more prominently in other places. Gotta say it bums me a little at the beginning of the broadcast when the opposing team has some cool emblem/logo and we have a white and brown stripe on an orange background. For Penn State, they'd use their lion logo, even though its not on their uni's anywhere.
Although, I wouldn't mind some contouring of the stripe on the pants. I liked the brown pants from last year too.
Then, there's always the Alabama-type of thing
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Do the Penn State thing.
Keep the helmets the same, but use the Dawg more prominently in other places. Gotta say it bums me a little at the beginning of the broadcast when the opposing team has some cool emblem/logo and we have a white and brown stripe on an orange background. For Penn State, they'd use their lion logo, even though its not on their uni's anywhere.
Although, I wouldn't mind some contouring of the stripe on the pants. I liked the brown pants from last year too.
Then, there's always the Alabama-type of thing
:I like your idea of having a symbol to represent the franchise but not on the uni's, Ocon, but I HATE the dawg symbol. If there's anything that should be let go, it's the dawg symbol.
I know, I know, the dawg is classic, right? Well, it's not. It's from the '80s. Dixon and Minniefield made it up. So it's not exactly ancient.
And if anything, use of the dawg symbol legitimizes the idea that we can and should mess with the classic Browns look.
What I'd like to see is the Browns choose a classic looking typeface and stick to it and then use a "CB" or "B" logo based on that font and make that our "symbol". There have been a few of those floating around but none have stuck. I want a good, solid logo that says "BROWNS FOOTBALL" and no gimmicks like that damn dawg.
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@inspecta said:
Howie you're talking to one of the manwagoner crew, you know those guys, the ones who have no clue about the Cleveland tradition.Oh you mean the one tradition....of never getting to the superbowl....
You people with the tradition.......It's a losing franchise!!!...
and cheerleaders,!!!!! WTF!!,,,...the Cleveland area can't find 20 girls who would be cheerleading material......
Oh you mean the one tradition....of never getting to the superbowl....
You people with the tradition.......It's a losing franchise!!!...
and cheerleaders,!!!!! WTF!!,,,...the Cleveland area can't find 20 girls who would be cheerleading material......
That's exactly why we could call them the, "DAWGETTES'. I really would like to see a change back to the all white face masks, that dull grey just doesn't get it.
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The only other uniform I want to see on the sidelines on gameday is the one Mr. Davis (RIP) is rocking here:
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Need an elf with huge fangs on the helmet
Need an elf with huge fangs on the helmet
lol
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Sorry, but I have to interject here. Regardless of the fact that the Cleveland Browns have past tradition with their uniforms and lack of cheerleaders, those days are in the past! Those Browns embraced an entire change of CITY! This team is not, regardless of it's name and how much we all would like it to be, the Traditional Cleveland Browns! Lie it or not, this is an expansion team! Still! And they are playing in 2009! It is time to update with the times! I don't see why everyone is so hellbent on everything staying the same! No one is proposing changing the name or colors! Only adding a little flair to the uniforms! It would boost jersey and parafanalia! Thus generating more revenue and interes in the team! You might even be able to attract some new younger fans...you know...the cleveland area kids that are steadily becoming Steeler fans and Cowboy fans and others?! What is honestly wrong with that? Can you give me a real reason for not changing with the times? Other than the old copout about Cleveland tradition!? I mean no disrespect, to Clevelanders or any Browns fans or anyone on here, but it is time to wake up and move at least into the present. How can we expect the team/organization to look toward the future when the fans are constantly preaching about the past and the City's previous team's traditions?
This team is not, regardless of it's name and how much we all would like it to be, the Traditional Cleveland Browns! Lie it or not, this is an expansion team!
Incorrect. Cleveland won the lawsuit. The expansion team is in Baltimore. The Browns are in Cleveland with a 3 year gap in their history. Mike Tomlin is wrong too.
The NFL also disagrees with you. : http://www.profootballhof.com/history/team...?franchise_id=8 (Pasted below for your convenience)
Some people just can't grasp "old school" or "spartan". Perhaps the colors should be changed to brown and orange instead of orange and brown.
I like the elf but the dude needs pads.
The Cleveland Browns were born in 1944 when Cleveland businessman Arthur B. McBride acquired a franchise in the new All-America Football Conference that would begin play in 1946. McBride's first act after acquiring the team was to hire Paul Brown, who had been a very successful high school, college and service coach, as coach and general manager.
The teams of the AAFC basically were of comparable quality to those of the NFL but, in the first 10 years of post-World War II pro football, the Cleveland Browns proved to be the best in either league. With such all-time greats as quarterback Otto Graham, fullback Marion Motley and tackle-kicker Lou Groza leading the way, Cleveland won all four AAFC championships and amassed a 52-4-3 winning record. When the AAFC folded after the 1949 season, many insisted a major reason was the Browns' dominance that eliminated any viable competition.
The AAFC-NFL settlement called for the Browns, San Francisco 49ers and Baltimore Colts to join the NFL. Many NFL diehards, still not convinced the Browns were for real, expected Cleveland to fail badly when they played against the established NFL teams. But the Browns quickly proved their domination was no fluke by opening the 1950 season with a stunning 35-10 victory over the defending NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles. Cleveland then won the NFL Eastern Conference championship for six straight years from 1950 to 1955 and NFL titles in 1950, 1954 and 1955.
Jim BrownThe Browns won another divisional title in 1957, a year that saw the great running back from Syracuse, Jim Brown, join the team. In his nine-season career, Jim Brown rushed for 12,312 yards, a lifetime record that stood for more than 20 years.
The Paul Brown era ended after the 1962 season and he was replaced by a former assistant, Blanton Collier. Collier gave the Browns their last NFL championship in 1964, when they defeated the Baltimore Colts, 27-0.
The Browns reached the post-season playoffs 22 times in their first 40 years in the NFL. In addition to their four NFL championships between 1950 and 1964, they won 11 NFL American/Eastern Conference championships, three NFL Century Division titles and AFC Central Division championships in 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987 and 1989.
In 1961, Arthur B. Modell purchased the Browns for a then-unheard-of price of $4 million. From the start, he was recognized as one of the NFL's more progressive leaders. But Modell stunned the pro football world in 1995 when he announced that he would transfer his Cleveland franchise to Baltimore to begin play in 1996.
Determined to keep the team in Cleveland, Browns fans and Cleveland city officials orchestrated an unprecedented grass-roots campaign to block the move. The NFL quickly responded and, working with city officials, developed a unique solution that not only provided for a new state-of-the-art stadium, but guaranteed the return of pro football to Cleveland by no later than 1999. Additionally, Art Modell agreed to relinquish the "Browns" name, colors and team history to the new owner of the suspended franchise.
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@inspecta said:
That doesn't look too bad, although if we have a guy with a really long name it will look silly.I wanna see the helmet done with this name:
Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala
AdaM said:
I wanna see the helmet done with this name:Chris Fuamatu-Ma'afala
Now that is funny!!
How about Houshmandzadeh?
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Do the Penn State thing.
Keep the helmets the same, but use the Dawg more prominently in other places. Gotta say it bums me a little at the beginning of the broadcast when the opposing team has some cool emblem/logo and we have a white and brown stripe on an orange background. For Penn State, they'd use their lion logo, even though its not on their uni's anywhere.
Although, I wouldn't mind some contouring of the stripe on the pants. I liked the brown pants from last year too.
Then, there's always the Alabama-type of thing
:I like your idea of having a symbol to represent the franchise but not on the uni's, Ocon, but I HATE the dawg symbol. If there's anything that should be let go, it's the dawg symbol.
I know, I know, the dawg is classic, right? Well, it's not. It's from the '80s. Dixon and Minniefield made it up. So it's not exactly ancient.
And if anything, use of the dawg symbol legitimizes the idea that we can and should mess with the classic Browns look.
What I'd like to see is the Browns choose a classic looking typeface and stick to it and then use a "CB" or "B" logo based on that font and make that our "symbol". There have been a few of those floating around but none have stuck. I want a good, solid logo that says "BROWNS FOOTBALL" and no gimmicks like that damn dawg.
...Ocon, but I HATE the dawg symbol. If there's anything that should be let go, it's the dawg symbol...
Yep, I'm not a huge fan of the dawg, and I've always like the Penn State approach, but I can't think of anything that is traditional, yet cool. I'd vote dog over elf (who had to be the Slider of his day) or anything else I've ever seen. I'd probably vote it over nothing.
A plain number isn't bad on the helmet.
You know when they do those throw back uni's? I've always thought they ought to have fast-forward uni's. Wild stuff that's way out there. Some would hate it, others love it, but it would be fun. It would also be a great way to test the waters before you release something that was created behind closed doors.
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That gay elf would be perfect.
Yinz have my vote on that one.
Regards
.... an'at
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I didnt know we wanted your vote. Wait! I didnt even know we voted. Oh Wait....... We didnt vote you jerk off
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I happen to like the browns uniforms just the way they are but i would love them to bring back the orange pants of the 70s! lol
A uniform change isnt what changes the mojo a smart football savvy owner and right regime that puts all the pieces together are what changes a loser to a winner...ford is a far worse owner than lerner could ever be he has been a loser for so long its not even funny...
When the browns finally get to the superbowl it would be nice if they were in the same uniform we have known for years maybe the orange pants would come in if we ever get to the playoffs again but no more brown pants please!
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Do the Penn State thing.
Keep the helmets the same, but use the Dawg more prominently in other places. Gotta say it bums me a little at the beginning of the broadcast when the opposing team has some cool emblem/logo and we have a white and brown stripe on an orange background. For Penn State, they'd use their lion logo, even though its not on their uni's anywhere.
Although, I wouldn't mind some contouring of the stripe on the pants. I liked the brown pants from last year too.
Then, there's always the Alabama-type of thing
:I like your idea of having a symbol to represent the franchise but not on the uni's, Ocon, but I HATE the dawg symbol. If there's anything that should be let go, it's the dawg symbol.
I know, I know, the dawg is classic, right? Well, it's not. It's from the '80s. Dixon and Minniefield made it up. So it's not exactly ancient.
And if anything, use of the dawg symbol legitimizes the idea that we can and should mess with the classic Browns look.
What I'd like to see is the Browns choose a classic looking typeface and stick to it and then use a "CB" or "B" logo based on that font and make that our "symbol". There have been a few of those floating around but none have stuck. I want a good, solid logo that says "BROWNS FOOTBALL" and no gimmicks like that damn dawg.
I like your idea of having a symbol to represent the franchise but not on the uni's, Ocon, but I HATE the dawg symbol. If there's anything that should be let go, it's the dawg symbol.
I know, I know, the dawg is classic, right? Well, it's not. It's from the '80s. Dixon and Minniefield made it up. So it's not exactly ancient.
And if anything, use of the dawg symbol legitimizes the idea that we can and should mess with the classic Browns look.
What I'd like to see is the Browns choose a classic looking typeface and stick to it and then use a "CB" or "B" logo based on that font and make that our "symbol". There have been a few of those floating around but none have stuck. I want a good, solid logo that says "BROWNS FOOTBALL" and no gimmicks like that damn dawg.
Seriously, why? What difference is a capital B going to make? Keeping the uniform the way it is isn't about denying we want a future but it is a nod to the past and a resolute symol of the steadfastness of the fanbase that has stuck with this team trough thick and thin, or should I say thin and thinner.
Yes we need new heroes, yes we need new attitude, yes we need better results but the last thing we should see as a factor in getting it is clothing.
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Right on, H!
See? The Briton gets it!
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That gay elf would be perfect.
Yinz have my vote on that one.
Regards
.... an'at
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Steeler SChuck said:
That gay elf would be perfect.Yinz have my vote on that one.
Regards
.... an'at
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wow it takes an extreme amount of stupidity to call someone else's mascot gay when your's is stealy mcbeam, the sisth member of the village people.
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This team is not, regardless of it's name and how much we all would like it to be, the Traditional Cleveland Browns! Lie it or not, this is an expansion team!
Incorrect. Cleveland won the lawsuit. The expansion team is in Baltimore. The Browns are in Cleveland with a 3 year gap in their history. Mike Tomlin is wrong too.
The NFL also disagrees with you. : http://www.profootballhof.com/history/team...?franchise_id=8 (Pasted below for your convenience)
Some people just can't grasp "old school" or "spartan". Perhaps the colors should be changed to brown and orange instead of orange and brown.
I like the elf but the dude needs pads.
The Cleveland Browns were born in 1944 when Cleveland businessman Arthur B. McBride acquired a franchise in the new All-America Football Conference that would begin play in 1946. McBride's first act after acquiring the team was to hire Paul Brown, who had been a very successful high school, college and service coach, as coach and general manager.
The teams of the AAFC basically were of comparable quality to those of the NFL but, in the first 10 years of post-World War II pro football, the Cleveland Browns proved to be the best in either league. With such all-time greats as quarterback Otto Graham, fullback Marion Motley and tackle-kicker Lou Groza leading the way, Cleveland won all four AAFC championships and amassed a 52-4-3 winning record. When the AAFC folded after the 1949 season, many insisted a major reason was the Browns' dominance that eliminated any viable competition.
The AAFC-NFL settlement called for the Browns, San Francisco 49ers and Baltimore Colts to join the NFL. Many NFL diehards, still not convinced the Browns were for real, expected Cleveland to fail badly when they played against the established NFL teams. But the Browns quickly proved their domination was no fluke by opening the 1950 season with a stunning 35-10 victory over the defending NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles. Cleveland then won the NFL Eastern Conference championship for six straight years from 1950 to 1955 and NFL titles in 1950, 1954 and 1955.
Jim BrownThe Browns won another divisional title in 1957, a year that saw the great running back from Syracuse, Jim Brown, join the team. In his nine-season career, Jim Brown rushed for 12,312 yards, a lifetime record that stood for more than 20 years.
The Paul Brown era ended after the 1962 season and he was replaced by a former assistant, Blanton Collier. Collier gave the Browns their last NFL championship in 1964, when they defeated the Baltimore Colts, 27-0.
The Browns reached the post-season playoffs 22 times in their first 40 years in the NFL. In addition to their four NFL championships between 1950 and 1964, they won 11 NFL American/Eastern Conference championships, three NFL Century Division titles and AFC Central Division championships in 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987 and 1989.
In 1961, Arthur B. Modell purchased the Browns for a then-unheard-of price of $4 million. From the start, he was recognized as one of the NFL's more progressive leaders. But Modell stunned the pro football world in 1995 when he announced that he would transfer his Cleveland franchise to Baltimore to begin play in 1996.
Determined to keep the team in Cleveland, Browns fans and Cleveland city officials orchestrated an unprecedented grass-roots campaign to block the move. The NFL quickly responded and, working with city officials, developed a unique solution that not only provided for a new state-of-the-art stadium, but guaranteed the return of pro football to Cleveland by no later than 1999. Additionally, Art Modell agreed to relinquish the "Browns" name, colors and team history to the new owner of the suspended franchise.
Incorrect. Cleveland won the lawsuit. The expansion team is in Baltimore. The Browns are in Cleveland with a 3 year gap in their history. Mike Tomlin is wrong too.
The NFL also disagrees with you. : http://www.profootballhof.com/history/team...?franchise_id=8 (Pasted below for your convenience)
Some people just can't grasp "old school" or "spartan". Perhaps the colors should be changed to brown and orange instead of orange and brown.
I like the elf but the dude needs pads.
The Cleveland Browns were born in 1944 when Cleveland businessman Arthur B. McBride acquired a franchise in the new All-America Football Conference that would begin play in 1946. McBride's first act after acquiring the team was to hire Paul Brown, who had been a very successful high school, college and service coach, as coach and general manager.
The teams of the AAFC basically were of comparable quality to those of the NFL but, in the first 10 years of post-World War II pro football, the Cleveland Browns proved to be the best in either league. With such all-time greats as quarterback Otto Graham, fullback Marion Motley and tackle-kicker Lou Groza leading the way, Cleveland won all four AAFC championships and amassed a 52-4-3 winning record. When the AAFC folded after the 1949 season, many insisted a major reason was the Browns' dominance that eliminated any viable competition.
The AAFC-NFL settlement called for the Browns, San Francisco 49ers and Baltimore Colts to join the NFL. Many NFL diehards, still not convinced the Browns were for real, expected Cleveland to fail badly when they played against the established NFL teams. But the Browns quickly proved their domination was no fluke by opening the 1950 season with a stunning 35-10 victory over the defending NFL champion Philadelphia Eagles. Cleveland then won the NFL Eastern Conference championship for six straight years from 1950 to 1955 and NFL titles in 1950, 1954 and 1955.
Jim BrownThe Browns won another divisional title in 1957, a year that saw the great running back from Syracuse, Jim Brown, join the team. In his nine-season career, Jim Brown rushed for 12,312 yards, a lifetime record that stood for more than 20 years.
The Paul Brown era ended after the 1962 season and he was replaced by a former assistant, Blanton Collier. Collier gave the Browns their last NFL championship in 1964, when they defeated the Baltimore Colts, 27-0.
The Browns reached the post-season playoffs 22 times in their first 40 years in the NFL. In addition to their four NFL championships between 1950 and 1964, they won 11 NFL American/Eastern Conference championships, three NFL Century Division titles and AFC Central Division championships in 1971, 1980, 1985, 1986, 1987 and 1989.
In 1961, Arthur B. Modell purchased the Browns for a then-unheard-of price of $4 million. From the start, he was recognized as one of the NFL's more progressive leaders. But Modell stunned the pro football world in 1995 when he announced that he would transfer his Cleveland franchise to Baltimore to begin play in 1996.
Determined to keep the team in Cleveland, Browns fans and Cleveland city officials orchestrated an unprecedented grass-roots campaign to block the move. The NFL quickly responded and, working with city officials, developed a unique solution that not only provided for a new state-of-the-art stadium, but guaranteed the return of pro football to Cleveland by no later than 1999. Additionally, Art Modell agreed to relinquish the "Browns" name, colors and team history to the new owner of the suspended franchise.
I won't argue with you about how it looks on paper. But the fact remains that the team that was born in Cleveland since 1944 is the team that was moved to Baltimore. Baltimore got the ready-made team...not the brand-new build-it from scratch expansion team. Just because we got to keep our name and history books, does not mean that we kept our team! We, in Cleveland, had to start over! I understand the desire to hold onto the fond memories and traditions of the past. But the more we look to the past, the less focused on the present and future we are. There is nothing wrong with small changes/adjustments to the logo and/or the uniforms just to keep it updated. Nobody wants any drastic changes. Just something to liven it up and bring this teams looks into present day! You can definitely do that without betraying the teams history!
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