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Anybody else think nassib might be a better fit replacing kruger?

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  • T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #12

    It has seemed to me over the time I have been watching that even IF Kruger got there (very BIG IF), more often than not he just could not tackle if his life depended upon it.

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  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on
    #13

    The worst was Mingo. I've seen that guy get to the QB (not much, LOL) and when he did, he literally couldn't get the guy to the ground. Not sure how much it happened, but I have a couple in my mind and I want to say that the QB really hurt us as a result.

    There are pluses and minuses to playing the young guys. Unfortunately, you already know going into the season that there will be a learning curve. There's not much we can do about that, and we just have to hope that the coaches prepared the young guys as well as possible. On the plus side, you never know what you have until you see them on the field. We could have a helluva player on our hands and be the envy of the league. It's about DAMN TIME we got a defender like that, right?

  • T TexasAg1969

    It has seemed to me over the time I have been watching that even IF Kruger got there (very BIG IF), more often than not he just could not tackle if his life depended upon it.

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
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    @texasag1969 said:

    It has seemed to me over the time I have been watching that even IF Kruger got there (very BIG IF), more often than not he just could not tackle if his life depended upon it.

    Well when you can't separate from blockers and are too slow to run down plays either away from or past you, it's hard to get in position to tackle.

    Old friend of the franchise, Joe Banner, pointed out on NFL Insiders that Krugs had 40+ QB pressures last year. So apparently "there" is within a yard or two of the QB. Also apparently there is no definition of the term "QB pressure".

    Officially Krugs was also credited with 33 QB "hurries"... which also seem to count as pressures.

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    @texasag1969 said:

    It has seemed to me over the time I have been watching that even IF Kruger got there (very BIG IF), more often than not he just could not tackle if his life depended upon it.

    Well when you can't separate from blockers and are too slow to run down plays either away from or past you, it's hard to get in position to tackle.

    Old friend of the franchise, Joe Banner, pointed out on NFL Insiders that Krugs had 40+ QB pressures last year. So apparently "there" is within a yard or two of the QB. Also apparently there is no definition of the term "QB pressure".

    Officially Krugs was also credited with 33 QB "hurries"... which also seem to count as pressures.

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
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    @tour2ma said:

    Well when you can't separate from blockers and are too slow to run down plays either away from or past you, it's hard to get in position to tackle.

    Old friend of the franchise, Joe Banner, pointed out on NFL Insiders that Krugs had 40+ QB pressures last year. So apparently "there" is within a yard or two of the QB. Also apparently there is no definition of the term "QB pressure".

    Officially Krugs was also credited with 33 QB "hurries"... which also seem to count as pressures.

    And that also does not account for how long the QB sat back there unhurried before finally someone "pressured or hurried" him. They need a stopwatch definition. I thought most of the season that a major reason our secondary was burned was because of how infinitely long it took for us to get to the QB.

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    @tour2ma said:

    Well when you can't separate from blockers and are too slow to run down plays either away from or past you, it's hard to get in position to tackle.

    Old friend of the franchise, Joe Banner, pointed out on NFL Insiders that Krugs had 40+ QB pressures last year. So apparently "there" is within a yard or two of the QB. Also apparently there is no definition of the term "QB pressure".

    Officially Krugs was also credited with 33 QB "hurries"... which also seem to count as pressures.

    And that also does not account for how long the QB sat back there unhurried before finally someone "pressured or hurried" him. They need a stopwatch definition. I thought most of the season that a major reason our secondary was burned was because of how infinitely long it took for us to get to the QB.

    jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on
    #16

    @texasag1969 said:

    And that also does not account for how long the QB sat back there unhurried before finally someone "pressured or hurried" him. They need a stopwatch definition. I thought most of the season that a major reason our secondary was burned was because of how infinitely long it took for us to get to the QB.

    Yeah, that's true. I want to say that we also gave up some large passes in the middle of the field, two that came off play-action. Speaking of play-action, we gave up a few more plays where Winston faked the handoff and then rolled out to his right. He's excellent at throwing on the run. Saw him do that for several years, and he's one of the best college QB's I've ever had the honor of seeing in person many times. The others were Charlie Ward and Chris Weinke...two other Heisman winners, and both exceptional for different reasons.

  • Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #17

    Agree with both the time factor for rushing the passer and Winston assessment...

    Winston looked the part of an NFL QB vs. us... leaps and bounds ahead of 2015 in poise. Actually is approaching Dak Prescott levels... 😉

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  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919 wrote on
    #18

    Winston is far from perfect, and still has a ways to go before he can really dominate, but he certainly has the look. Many people across the country only knew him by the negative press, which isn't fair. The guy did some stupid things as a kid, but he isn't a "bad guy". The sexual assault thing was total garbage and has been struck down by three different legal proceedings, and the crab legs thing was a situation where his friend worked at the store, and "hooked him up". This doesn't make it right, and it's still stealing, but I don't know many people that haven't done something similar. He did a couple other knuckleheaded things, and he didn't do a great job of understanding how much of the spotlight was on him. However, he's been nothing but a gentleman since getting to the NFL, and that's what I expect.

    From where I was watching at the game, it appeared that we could've had a couple interceptions against Winston, and we just didn't make the plays. They would've been tough, but still...gotta have those. Winston takes chances, and we literally dropped the ball. Tampa Bay basically won the lottery when they completely sucked at the perfect time. Winston wasn't great in the red zone last year, but that's common with many rookies. He also has the benefit of a terrific running game and large receivers. He may blow up this season.

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    Agree with both the time factor for rushing the passer and Winston assessment...

    Winston looked the part of an NFL QB vs. us... leaps and bounds ahead of 2015 in poise. Actually is approaching Dak Prescott levels... 😉

    T TexasAg1969 wrote on
    #19

    @tour2ma said:

    Actually is approaching Dak Prescott levels... 😉

    LOL-with Dak's line I could approach Dak's levels. 😉

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  • C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #20

    I still think nassib will make a better elephant than og. He's everybit as fast as kruger and looks more comfortable in space from what little we've seen so far.

    Or we could just go 4-3 and run em both out there with orchard. #Wildideas right?

  • U Unsympathetic wrote on
    #21

    When tia and tour agree on something and post in the thread... No, you're not right. Nassib isn't there yet. See above.

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  • T TexasAg1969

    @tour2ma said:

    Actually is approaching Dak Prescott levels... 😉

    LOL-with Dak's line I could approach Dak's levels. 😉

    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on
    #22

    @texasag1969 said:

    LOL-with Dak's line I could approach Dak's levels. 😉

    ... for at least one play...

    @clevfan4life said:

    I still think nassib will make a better elephant than og. He's everybit as fast as kruger and looks more comfortable in space from what little we've seen so far.

    Or we could just go 4-3 and run em both out there with orchard. #Wildideas right?

    #preachin'tothechoir

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    @texasag1969 said:

    LOL-with Dak's line I could approach Dak's levels. 😉

    ... for at least one play...

    @clevfan4life said:

    I still think nassib will make a better elephant than og. He's everybit as fast as kruger and looks more comfortable in space from what little we've seen so far.

    Or we could just go 4-3 and run em both out there with orchard. #Wildideas right?

    #preachin'tothechoir

    C Clevfan4life wrote on
    #23

    @tour2ma said:

    ... for at least one play...

    #preachin'tothechoir

    Yeah i know we've been beggin to stop this 3-4 bullshit for years. On nassib though i will fully admit his college tape did ~dick for me. When i heard we drafted him im like wtf we just picked up a DE the previous round with ogbah.

    Then they were like oh he's gonna be the 5 tech, im like ok fine whatever. But now after seeing him on an nfl field im kind of not unimpressed. He's still exhibiting thw flaws from his college tape that i said before the draft makes him not in bosa's league. I thought if either of them had to play the 5 tech bosa was still better suited for that.

    Problem with nassib at the 5 tech is that he's gonna have to get into the 290's to be any good at it. At 6'6 if he gets that heavy he's going to lose his explosiveness which just the eye test now, what i saw from him when he went around the corner i havent seen that out of any of our guys including obviously kruger.

    Id rather see nassib go to that hybrid olb'er than ogbah. In 2 years if he applies himself to the weight room he'll probably be as strong as any olb'er in the league and as long as he stays in the 270's low 280's tops.....he should be as fast as any of them. Long arms disrupting passing lanes and applying leverage first. Preinstalled edge rushing toolset......the kid could be special.

    I think putting him at the 5 tech is a waste. The prototype 5 techs to me are guys like watt and smith.

  • U Unsympathetic

    When tia and tour agree on something and post in the thread... No, you're not right. Nassib isn't there yet. See above.

    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on
    #24

    @unsympathetic said:

    When tia and tour agree on something and post in the thread... No, you're not right. Nassib isn't there yet. See above.

    I appreciate the high praise but I'm a student like everyone else.

    Certainly subject to being wrong as well.

    Edit. As for the 34. I myself have no issues with whatever alignment a coach goes with. Having the personnel is the biggie. For my own preference I just prefer a 1gap scheme. With the direction of the NFL and my own experience I've always found it to be more comfortable and faster.

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