The truth about the need for waterboarding...

[Legacy Fan]

With questions this loaded, why even have the poll? Just make up the results and tell us you talked to some folks.

[Kosar_For_President]

@legacy-fan said:

With questions this loaded, why even have the poll? Just make up the results and tell us you talked to some folks.

Hence the picture.

[Kosar_For_President]

Like I said crickets....

You can only be beat Tim McVay enough. It's like Reagan having sex with Nancy. Or the Chevy Chase show. I would rather watch paint dry.

[osusev]

I have to admit this topic is a bit of a conundrum for me. I flip flop on this topic probably more than any other.

IF you can garner RELIABLE intelligence from torture to save thousands do you cross the line? Torture does work to an extent... too much and than well anything will come out true or not.

The ugly truth is that really almost any sort of detention is torture to one degree or another, its that specific types of torture are OK with the general public and others are not.

prolonged solitary confinement is torture....

I know my more primitive response to certain situations is well more apt to accept waterboarding, and than my more cerebral approach is against and for it.....

This is a difficult topic.

[calfoxwc]

Exactly, Sev. It's tough. I am heartened by the alleged fact, that they only used the waterboarding on the

most dangerous and hateful terrorists who had information, admitted it, but refused to tell us.

If it really did flat out prevent that 9/11 attack on LA, absolutely I would give them the green light,

only under those circumstances.

That is to say, as long as there was never any permanent or even temporary damage to the "persons" involved.

Then, there has to be a better way. I wonder why they don't use sodium penathol or something.

I do find it very odd, that some leftists couldn't seem to care less about torture of our soldiers by saddams' gov,

Not a word about beheadings by al quaida, but only political points scored on the torture subject when it

comes to the Bush admin.

[Mr. T]

@kosar_for_president said:

Like I said crickets....

You can only be beat Tim McVay enough. It's like Reagan having sex with Nancy. Or the Chevy Chase show. I would rather watch paint dry.

One better, and this would be torture. getting laid by Barbara Bush

All is fair in love and war.

[Westside Steve]

Sure it's a loaded question.

But there is not one official in the Clinton Bush or Obama administration that would seriously answer it any other way.

Not one board member of the Heritage foundation or MoveOn.

But still we have this hypocritical dog and pony show over a few cases of unpleasant, but neither injurious nor life threatening questioning.

And as Sev mentioned how about solitary?

Is Obama closing "Alcatraz in the Rockies" and prosecuting the governor of Colorado?

WSS

[Kosar_For_President]

@legacy-fan said:

With questions this loaded, why even have the poll? Just make up the results and tell us you talked to some folks.

Not only that Leg. Tons of posts of mine we flagged and deleted, initiated by Cal. Because I didn't agree with him that some fat singer from England was talented. A non-political topic that I could actually comment on. Something that I actually know more in this arena then Cal could ever know (yes I am a musician and singer). I see that Cal and his communist cohorts believe in the Second Amendment, just not the First. Hurry up and read this, it is going to be deleted due to censorship from the gestapo.

[Legacy Fan]

I meant loaded responses to the poll.

Along the lines of, Do you still beat your wife?

Steve: are you suggesting waterboarding isn't life-threatening? There are well-documented cases where fatalities have been the result instead of the new location of the WMD's. Not to mention the various throngs of problems that stem from oxygen deprivation to the brain & heart.

KFP: I got the moderator memo about your comments on the older singer. Though I never actually saw the posts (they weren't included in the memo & were gone by the time I got to the thread) so I can't comment. My position on deleting/editing posts is documented on this forum & probably search-able (I'm lazy/busy).

[calfoxwc]

It was only a thread I started on a serious note, K.

You immediately hijacked it to another stupid smart-ass subject.

Feel free to start your own stupid thread and it will surely stay there forever.

... your freedom of speech, dummy, should NOT conflict with mine.

PS.

Contact the mods, they can explain to you how to start your own thread. LOL

[Aloysius]

I deleted some duplicate threads, but I left Nell Carter safe & sound in the one remaining thread on the subject. Not sure when that post was deleted; there's no record of one of the mods taking it out in the moderator logs.

[calfoxwc]

you are correct, Leg - my choices weren't all that fair... GGG

but to add legit choices like "They should never have waterboarded and found another way"

is in itself a loaded answer, as in, it -assumes- there IS another way.

And, I have at least 7 black cherry trees to cut up for firewood if it will

just stop raining.

PS - you did it twice, K.

that is not "tons". Truth is, I hacked your invalid entries and changed the font to white.

It's still there, go look. (ROF,L).

[Westside Steve]

@legacy-fan said:

I meant loaded responses to the poll.

Along the lines of, Do you still beat your wife?

Steve: are you suggesting waterboarding isn't life-threatening?

Yep.

Do I think there could be cases where a weak heart could be stopped? Sure.

Same with threatening with mean looking dogs.

Or quite a few other things that could cause stress or fear.

But those are exceptions.

A taser can kill or cause some injury.

So can rubber bullets.

I also think quite a few people might choose to end their lives rather than spend life in jail.

There are well-documented cases where fatalities have been the result instead of the new location of the WMD's. Not to mention the various throngs of problems that stem from oxygen deprivation to the brain & heart.

KFP: I got the moderator memo about your comments on the older singer. Though I never actually saw the posts (they weren't included in the memo & were gone by the time I got to the thread) so I can't comment. My position on deleting/editing posts is documented on this forum & probably search-able (I'm lazy/busy).

I'm still in the "lay off with the deletion" camp. WSS

[Kosar_For_President]

@calfoxwc said:

PS - you did it twice, K.

that is not "tons". Truth is, I hacked your invalid entries and changed the font to white.

It's still there, go look. (ROF,L).

Sweet man, it's OK to ignore the Constitution when it fits your agenda. Sounds familiar, Obama.

[calfoxwc]

Try to not be stupid, K?

Your freedom of speech stops at my verbal doorstep.

Your freedom of speech is not permitted to deny my freedom of speech.

Freedom requires responsibility.

You were irresponsible. Your freedom of speech is still there,

just start your own damn thread. and I won't sabotage it.

So, there you go. Now stfu. LOL

[PBJ]

So I read the original article posted, and was thinking, "Well, I guess it is great that they waterboarded this asshole and stopped an attack."

Then, I saw this article from 2005: http://articles.latimes.com/p/2005/oct/08/nation/na-terror8

... The White House said Thursday that U.S. authorities disrupted the so-called “West Coast Airliner Plot” in mid-2002, stopping terrorists from attacking “targets on the West Coast of the United States using hijacked airplanes. The plotters included at least one major operational planner involved in planning the events of 9/11.”

The brief White House document offered no details about the timing of the airliner plot, or potential targets. White House officials on Friday confirmed that one of the targets referred to in the document was the Library Tower, which was renamed the US Bank Tower in 2003.

The description of the plot was based on claims made by Mohammed, who has said he was the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, during interrogations after his capture in Pakistan in March 2003. But those familiar with Mohammed’s comments and the alleged plot have suggested that, at most, it was a plan that was stopped in its initial stages and was not an operational plot that had been disrupted by authorities. ...

Good thing they waterboarded the plot that they had already foiled nine months before out of him.

[Kosar_For_President]

@calfoxwc said:

Try to not be stupid, K?

Your freedom of speech stops at my verbal doorstep.

Your freedom of speech is not permitted to deny my freedom of speech.

Freedom requires responsibility.

You were irresponsible. Your freedom of speech is still there,

just start your own damn thread. and I won't sabotage it.

So, there you go. Now stfu. LOL

Wow even the "mighty" Cal can be fooled. Susan Boyle Maybe all the shit you been feeding us is wrong too. Good times.

[Kosar_For_President]

@legacy-fan said:

KFP: I got the moderator memo about your comments on the older singer. Though I never actually saw the posts (they weren't included in the memo & were gone by the time I got to the thread) so I can't comment. My position on deleting/editing posts is documented on this forum & probably search-able (I'm lazy/busy).

Sorry Leg, Cal was being Commie.

[Kosar_For_President]

Your freedom of speech is not permitted to deny my freedom of speech.

I must of missed that passage in reading the First Amendment.

[Mr. T]

Okay, so what type of torture would be relevant?

Maybe we could hang them by their balls?

Or We could use a blow torch and tweezers and one by one pull out their finger nails?