Draft Talk
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A few of Kizer's throws made me take note of him.
I watched Kaaya during the FSU game last year? Wasn't impressed. His footwork, his motion, his inability to climb the pocket. No thanks.
I'm not even sure I like Watson as a franchise player. To me, every year we attempt to say 'here is the franchise QB pick'. When in reality none exist.
I am keeping an eye on Myles from A&M. Love his first step, not in love with his inability to shed blocks. Also, whoever 93 was for Alabama vs USC. I'll be watching him throughout the season as well.
I am keeping an eye on Myles from A&M. Love his first step, not in love with his inability to shed blocks.
This is a typical "block" on Garrett administered by likely UCLA 1st rounder LT McDermott. Either that or arm around the neck. It rarely gets called in the SEC. And yeah that is the QB to the left that he's after as he is already by the LT.
And another. Neither was called.
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Brad Kaayais absolute garbage. I don't see how anyone can see anything remotely good in his play.
Half of his performances are unwatchable.
Who you watching in 2016?
Who you watching in 2016?
My tentative top 5 doesn't differ too much from that of the main talking heads - I'd go Watson, Kelly, Kizer, Mayfield, Rudolph. I think Kelly and Watson are the only two worth their salt in this year's draft so far, but I also do like Kizer as a fringe guy.
I like Rudolph's size, but that's really it.
I think Falk is a good QB but I don't see any transferrable skills - he throws a ton of floaters to his first and second reads and that's it.
I'm taking a principled stand against Rosen because he's a douchewallet, and I think Kaaya is absolutely awful.
Webb is interesting because of his size and arm talent, he could rapidly climb boards if he excels in the Bear Raid.
Then, the homer in me has to always pull for Barrett, obviously. Surprisingly, I'm woefully behind on small school/ under the radar guys. I haven't been paying attention, to be honest.
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Who you watching in 2016?
My tentative top 5 doesn't differ too much from that of the main talking heads - I'd go Watson, Kelly, Kizer, Mayfield, Rudolph. I think Kelly and Watson are the only two worth their salt in this year's draft so far, but I also do like Kizer as a fringe guy.
I like Rudolph's size, but that's really it.
I think Falk is a good QB but I don't see any transferrable skills - he throws a ton of floaters to his first and second reads and that's it.
I'm taking a principled stand against Rosen because he's a douchewallet, and I think Kaaya is absolutely awful.
Webb is interesting because of his size and arm talent, he could rapidly climb boards if he excels in the Bear Raid.
Then, the homer in me has to always pull for Barrett, obviously. Surprisingly, I'm woefully behind on small school/ under the radar guys. I haven't been paying attention, to be honest.
My tentative top 5 doesn't differ too much from that of the main talking heads - I'd go Watson, Kelly, Kizer, Mayfield, Rudolph. I think Kelly and Watson are the only two worth their salt in this year's draft so far, but I also do like Kizer as a fringe guy.
I like Rudolph's size, but that's really it.
I think Falk is a good QB but I don't see any transferrable skills - he throws a ton of floaters to his first and second reads and that's it.
I'm taking a principled stand against Rosen because he's a douchewallet, and I think Kaaya is absolutely awful.
Webb is interesting because of his size and arm talent, he could rapidly climb boards if he excels in the Bear Raid.
Then, the homer in me has to always pull for Barrett, obviously. Surprisingly, I'm woefully behind on small school/ under the radar guys. I haven't been paying attention, to be honest.
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Kizer is the Notre Dame QB here, right? I know it's brief highlights, but it seemed like most of the TDs he just threw it up and let his receiver go get it. Manziel to Evans like.
That would be him... but not seeing JFF-jumpballs here...
- 1st TD at 0:11 is a touch, back-shoulder throw.
- 2nd at 0:38 is a 30-yd, zone-splitter with more on it.
- 3rd at 1:30 was an easy toss after extending play with eyes downfield.
- 4th at 1:41 was a well placed ball to a HB.
- 5th at 2:40 was a double-clutched screen that was more about the team execution, but had he robo-threw on timing, then at best the toss was batted down.
The throw that prompted my arm strength comment was not in the highlights. It was a sideline incompletion about 40 yards downfield. Saying it was "on a rope" woulld be hyperbolic, but it had minimal hump in it and a lot of zip.
Just my $0.02... $0.04... $0.06... etc...
That would be him... but not seeing JFF-jumpballs here...
- 1st TD at 0:11 is a touch, back-shoulder throw.
- 2nd at 0:38 is a 30-yd, zone-splitter with more on it.
- 3rd at 1:30 was an easy toss after extending play with eyes downfield.
- 4th at 1:41 was a well placed ball to a HB.
- 5th at 2:40 was a double-clutched screen that was more about the team execution, but had he robo-threw on timing, then at best the toss was batted down.
The throw that prompted my arm strength comment was not in the highlights. It was a sideline incompletion about 40 yards downfield. Saying it was "on a rope" woulld be hyperbolic, but it had minimal hump in it and a lot of zip.
Just my $0.02... $0.04... $0.06... etc...
I think I disagree on 1 and 4 which are the main bulk of the 'wow' plays there. 1, unless your receiver is big enough and good enough to go get it over the DB, it's broken up in the NFL - see Josh Gordon against Tampa for the exact same thing. 4, that ball was in the air a *long* time, the DB (or LB?) just has to get his head around to get a play on it.
2 - difficult to know whether he diagnosed the zone pre-snap and found the weak spot, if so then excellent, he's better than any QB we've had in some time. Alternatively, the guy came open in the zone and it was throw and catch after seeing the open receiver.
3 - yep, he didn't try to run out of 'trouble' when it broke down a bit. Good.
5 - yep, team score.
I'm not particularly down on the guy, but when people are saying things like 'best QB in draft' after one game, I'm not convinced. Need to see a lot more than that.
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I like Kelly mostly because he is built well enough to handle NFL hits and has good "tutoring" from uncle Jim. But he takes too many chances when he runs (which is relatively often). Watson I'm not sure can hold up to the hits. He's been relatively protected @ Clemson.
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Did someone mention the 2017 draft .....who wants the Browns this time ?
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I like Kelly mostly because he is built well enough to handle NFL hits and has good "tutoring" from uncle Jim. But he takes too many chances when he runs (which is relatively often). Watson I'm not sure can hold up to the hits. He's been relatively protected @ Clemson.
I like Kelly mostly because he is built well enough to handle NFL hits and has good "tutoring" from uncle Jim. But he takes too many chances when he runs (which is relatively often). Watson I'm not sure can hold up to the hits. He's been relatively protected @ Clemson.
It is still early but so far no one has looked head and shoulders above the others.
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SF will draft #1 -- Baalke is atrocious to a level that even Walrus couldn't achieve, even though he tried. They'll take Watson.
But Cleveland had better take Garrett next.. Avoiding him will be like the TrailBlazers passing on Jordan so they could draft someone named Sam Bowie "Because He's A Center"
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That would be him... but not seeing JFF-jumpballs here...
- 1st TD at 0:11 is a touch, back-shoulder throw.
- 2nd at 0:38 is a 30-yd, zone-splitter with more on it.
- 3rd at 1:30 was an easy toss after extending play with eyes downfield.
- 4th at 1:41 was a well placed ball to a HB.
- 5th at 2:40 was a double-clutched screen that was more about the team execution, but had he robo-threw on timing, then at best the toss was batted down.
The throw that prompted my arm strength comment was not in the highlights. It was a sideline incompletion about 40 yards downfield. Saying it was "on a rope" woulld be hyperbolic, but it had minimal hump in it and a lot of zip.
Just my $0.02... $0.04... $0.06... etc...
I think I disagree on 1 and 4 which are the main bulk of the 'wow' plays there. 1, unless your receiver is big enough and good enough to go get it over the DB, it's broken up in the NFL - see Josh Gordon against Tampa for the exact same thing. 4, that ball was in the air a *long* time, the DB (or LB?) just has to get his head around to get a play on it.
2 - difficult to know whether he diagnosed the zone pre-snap and found the weak spot, if so then excellent, he's better than any QB we've had in some time. Alternatively, the guy came open in the zone and it was throw and catch after seeing the open receiver.
3 - yep, he didn't try to run out of 'trouble' when it broke down a bit. Good.
5 - yep, team score.
I'm not particularly down on the guy, but when people are saying things like 'best QB in draft' after one game, I'm not convinced. Need to see a lot more than that.
I'm not particularly down on the guy, but when people are saying things like 'best QB in draft' after one game, I'm not convinced. Need to see a lot more than that.
Agree it's early.... and I'm sure your assessment skills will improve.
I like Kelly mostly because he is built well enough to handle NFL hits and has good "tutoring" from uncle Jim. But he takes too many chances when he runs (which is relatively often). Watson I'm not sure can hold up to the hits. He's been relatively protected @ Clemson.
Forgot about the Chadster... impressed me in a couple outings last year.
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OK, how about this scenario:
The Browns with their own pick and the Eagles pick actually get the #1 and the #2 overall picks in the draft!!!
FYI, it has actually happened 3 times in history that the same team had #1 and #2:
1992 The Colts picked Steve Emtman #1 and Quentin Coryatt #2 in the draft
1966 AFL draft: The Dolphins took Jim Grabowski and Rick Norton 1-2
1958 The Chicago Cardinals select QB King Hill #1 overall and then RB John David Crow #2 overall.
OK, for shits and giggles, if this happens what would you want to see:
Cleveland Browns 2017 take:
#1:
#2:
Insert your choices.
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C.Kelly will be available in round2 next year.. We could go defense with both t10 picks in next yr's draft
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Kizer overrated
Kizer overrated
Keiser Soze not overrated.
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I might go for Myles Garrett and Jabril Peppers.
I will take Woody's word that Peppers is for real. He could be the next Thom Darden.
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I was for Watson when doing my own trivial scouting for this year's draft, but he wasn't out. If he grows at an expected level then yeah, he probably will be, and then some small school guy with prototypical size will turn up in january and who knows.
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OK, how about this scenario:
The Browns with their own pick and the Eagles pick actually get the #1 and the #2 overall picks in the draft!!!
FYI, it has actually happened 3 times in history that the same team had #1 and #2:
1992 The Colts picked Steve Emtman #1 and Quentin Coryatt #2 in the draft
1966 AFL draft: The Dolphins took Jim Grabowski and Rick Norton 1-2
1958 The Chicago Cardinals select QB King Hill #1 overall and then RB John David Crow #2 overall.
OK, for shits and giggles, if this happens what would you want to see:
Cleveland Browns 2017 take:
#1:
#2:
Insert your choices.
FYI, it has actually happened 3 times in history that the same team had #1 and #2:1992 The Colts picked Steve Emtman #1 and Quentin Coryatt #2 in the draft
1966 AFL draft: The Dolphins took Jim Grabowski and Rick Norton 1-2
1958 The Chicago Cardinals select QB King Hill #1 overall and then RB John David Crow #2 overall.
That is one scaringly pathetic track record.
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1. Myles Garrett if the Browns commit to running mostly 4-3 (and it appears that may be happening judging by the pickups of late).
2. Best QB available or RB Leonard Fornette if RG III is playing really well.
Garrett and Fornette are both once every 5 years or so players.
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1. Myles Garrett if the Browns commit to running mostly 4-3 (and it appears that may be happening judging by the pickups of late).
2. Best QB available or RB Leonard Fornette if RG III is playing really well.
Garrett and Fornette are both once every 5 years or so players.
1. Myles Garrett if the Browns commit to running mostly 4-3 (and it appears that may be happening judging by the pickups of late).
2. Best QB available or RB Leonard Fornette if RG III is playing really well.
Garrett and Fornette are both once every 5 years or so players.
Fournette may not be the best RB in college this season. A lot of people think Chubb of Ga. or Cook of FSU may prove better.
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