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  • Out of all that I just have to say this... where the HELL did you see that Crabtree is a hard worker? I've been reading exactly the opposite the entire offseason.

  • Oldcrow1945O Oldcrow1945

    @ytownbrownsbacker said:

    I wouldn't care about Raji but my concern would be; you draft him and you still don't have a pass rush and an offensive weapon. Knowing that the Brown's biggest needs are OLB, WR, Safety and Center, I don't think there's a chance in hell Raji is the guy.

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    I think you are looking at it a bit simplistic if you think the pass rush is going to be fixed with 1 player being drafted.

    And all of This of course depends on what they do with the rest of the draft. With picks #36 and #50 and whatever else they may do.

    Maybe they think they can get a pass rusher in the second round. Or maybe there is a deal for another 1st round pick.

    Drafting Raji doesn't mean you automatically will not have a pass rush. Remember that he did have 7.5 sacks his senior year. Plus 75 tackles! This on a defense that was loaded with talent.

    @oldcrow1945 said:

    I think you are looking at it a bit simplistic if you think the pass rush is going to be fixed with 1 player being drafted.

    And all of This of course depends on what they do with the rest of the draft. With picks #36 and #50 and whatever else they may do.

    Maybe they think they can get a pass rusher in the second round. Or maybe there is a deal for another 1st round pick.

    Drafting Raji doesn't mean you automatically will not have a pass rush. Remember that he did have 7.5 sacks his senior year. Plus 75 tackles! This on a defense that was loaded with talent.

    I don't think anybody has a clue who they will pick but I see too many needs and DL in a 3-4 aren't your playmakers. LBs are your playmakers in a 3-4.

    A 3-4 NT is different then a 4-3 DT and I see him as out of position as a DE.

    But, like you said, you don't know what else they got planned to go along with the #5 pick. I just know they need to address OLB, WR, SS and Center. A RB would be nice also.

    It will be very interesting and I will be very surprised if it's Raji.

  • Two guys at 320+lbs on the D-line of a 3-4 is not ideal. We just went through this last season.

    I am not advocating Crabtree, but he was just on 1st Take today and didn't seem like any sort of a primadona. Seemed like a good kid whose only focus is being a great football player.

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    @oldcrow1945 said:

    Is it a fact he has smoked in the past?

    I know they announced that the reports of him testing positive at the combine are false. Only Tate and Harvin tested positive is what I heard.

    Why can't these kids get ahold of some synthetic urine like everyone else?

    AdaM said:

    Why can't these kids get ahold of some synthetic urine like everyone else?

    Yeah, and one of those strap on tubes so that even if they are watching they can't see anything. Someone told me at GNC that in city areas their urine cleanse product is their number one seller, used when people take drug tests.

  • Don't listen to McShay...on SC this morning he said he changed his pick because Cleveland is SWITCHING to a 3-4 when we have been playing it for years so obviously he doesn't know whats going on

  • M Mitch

    Don't listen to McShay...on SC this morning he said he changed his pick because Cleveland is SWITCHING to a 3-4 when we have been playing it for years so obviously he doesn't know whats going on

    @mitch said:

    Don't listen to McShay...on SC this morning he said he changed his pick because Cleveland is SWITCHING to a 3-4 when we have been playing it for years so obviously he doesn't know whats going on

    I watched the same thing and I never heard him use the word "Switching".

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin"

  • I'm afraid Mitch is right; McShay says in this clip, "They're moving to a 3-4 defense, and, to me, Raji fits."

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    I'm afraid Mitch is right; McShay says in this clip, "They're moving to a 3-4 defense, and, to me, Raji fits."

    Aloysius said:

    I'm afraid Mitch is right; McShay says in this clip, "They're moving to a 3-4 defense, and, to me, Raji fits."

    Yep...he sure did say it..."Moving to a 3-4"...Sheez.

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin"

  • What I remember the most about McShay is how he went nuts when Houston didn't take Bush or Young with the first pick in 2006. He degraded the GM and went off on the organization. Today he said Ooooooops, I was wrong there.

    So, these guys are entertaining but they miss a lot also.

  • Jim Donovan represented the local Browns media on NFL Network and predicted the Browns would take Raji.

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    Jim Donovan represented the local Browns media on NFL Network and predicted the Browns would take Raji.

    Aloysius said:

    Jim Donovan represented the local Browns media on NFL Network and predicted the Browns would take Raji.

    Not that this prediction means jack shit, but here's hoping he's right.

  • @shepwrite said:

    I never saw Joe Thomas coming. so you never know. I just have trouble seeing a team with Shaun Rogers drafting B.J. Raji. With Smith and Rubin, we seem to have too many NT types. Tyson Jackson makes more sense.

    Maybe not....that was a slam dunk pick IMO....and that isn't a rip at all my friend...some place the emphasis on the skill positions(rb,wr,qb) and some on the grunt positions.....OL....DL.

    To take a line from you.....I go on record as saying you can never have to many good OL or DL players.

    Oline represents 45% of your offensive unit, and it's performance totally dictates how the others eventually end up playing.

    That being the case, and the number of teams in the league, and the number of guys who can actually play the position to a high degree of efficiency, you can't wait until the 4th and 5th round to get your players.

    Almost the same can be said for defensive lineman.

    If you are weak in those areas, everything else if going to falter.

    Bottom line: Pick lineman early and often if you want to win.

    If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.

  • I think McShay is just looking at Mangini coming in and running his style of 3/4........I would hope. Another words, they aren't switching?

    As far as the contention that Raji wouldn't work with Rogers at end because of the issue we had last year having fatasses at DE, this is completely different. Rogers could be unleashed and an animal in the base 3/4 with Raji taking the heat off him. Don't confuse Rogers with LeShaun Smith or a hurt Corey Williams new to the end spot like last year.

    With a healthy Robaire, we're looking at a potential line of base 3/4:

    Williams/Robaire, Raji, and Rogers with bench guys in Smith and Rubin.

    The base 4/3 could be devastating with Williams, Raji, Rogers and Robaire.

    I'm pretty sure Rogers and Mangini are cool, that's water under the bridge and I gotta guess Rogers would be pumped to play end, that dude was getting tripled at times last year.

    This is a very intriguing pick that is swaying me more and more, but the issues with Raji's character keep me from being totally in love with the idea.

    Is a pig's ass pork?

  • Take the best front 7 defensive player it's either Curry or Raji one should be there. I hope it's Raji we have nobody outside of Rogers on that line that would be starting in the division.

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  • Ok, I just need to know... When did Tyson Jackson's name all of a sudden start popping up as a top 10 pick? Did I miss something?

  • next2nothingN next2nothing

    Ok, I just need to know... When did Tyson Jackson's name all of a sudden start popping up as a top 10 pick? Did I miss something?

    @next2nothing said:

    Ok, I just need to know... When did Tyson Jackson's name all of a sudden start popping up as a top 10 pick? Did I miss something?

    Good question....I'd like to know the same. After repping 20 times on the bench at his pro day you would've thought he would do anything but climb.

    Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin"

  • I think Mangini would want Raji,

    1. in Case Rogers becomes a disgruntled player

    2. he wants ALL his defensive lineman to be able to line up at any of the DL positions, so he has flexibility in play calling. (this was from an article shortly after he was hired, don't have the link)

  • E Eastlakeian

    Take the best front 7 defensive player it's either Curry or Raji one should be there. I hope it's Raji we have nobody outside of Rogers on that line that would be starting in the division.

    @eastlakeian said:

    Take the best front 7 defensive player it's either Curry or Raji one should be there. I hope it's Raji we have nobody outside of Rogers on that line that would be starting in the division.

    Nobody outside Rogers? Raji wouldn't play out there either. He is a NT, period. If anybody would move it would have to be Rogers and that would be a disaster. NO DE in a 3-4 is worth a #5 pick and raji couldn't play DE anyway. DEs aren't impact players in the 3-4, LBs are.

  • If all the DEs are stretches at 5 why not grab one of the OTs?

  • If Rogers became a DE he'd sign a lifetime contract with Cleveland. The dude would rack up 15 sacks a year.

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