Hue Jackon Became Too Focused on RG3
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I do think we are going to look better on offense this week with McCown under center. Not sure why Hue went all in on RG3, but now his hand is forced and I'm fine with that.
If our FO is truly using stats, math, tea leaves or whatever the fuck they're using, then the RG3 experiment should be over, as he has proven beyond an OJ type shadow of a doubt that he will never be able to stay healthy in the NFL for an extended period of time... and the last time I looked, that's kinda important.
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I don't think it's as huge of a deal as people are making it out to be. If Wentz ends up being the real deal QB, that's the "holy shit, we fucked up" history note.
We know what we have in McCown, and that's a decent, back-up level talent. It's not like this team was pining for more than 3-4 wins even with Josh, so Hue went with the "boom or bust" choice in RG3 over McCown. That obviously blew up in about the worst way possible but I don't blame him for going that route between the two. It's 100% clear now that while RG3 has talent at the position, he just will never get out of his own way. I'm sure Hue will see that too. But honestly, given the QB situation what did bringing in RG3 and hoping for a rebirth hurt? Nothing at all except MAYBE (this is where I don't buy it) some development of Kessler. Even IF that's true, we're talking about a very short period of time given how it's panned out.
The scenario with Kessler is still unfolding so I'm not going to speculate on "good or bad" on that yet nor should anyone. As we know, it's pretty damn likely we're gonna see Kessler suit up so let's just see how that plays out on the field before saying it was stupid or not.
I don't think it's as huge of a deal as people are making it out to be.
That depends on the extent that it is true and whether the lesson Hue takes away is proportional to the story's "truthiness".
If the head of an organization, e.g., an NFL staff, operates at the wrong level too much of the time, then organizational dysfunction is the result. The top dog is either stepping on the responsibilities of others or ignoring the bigger picture including other areas. It's the kind of dysfunction that creates "leaks" like that letting this "story" out.
Isn't this the first leak of the new regime?
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1) Why Hue fell in love with RG3 remains a mystery, McCown is a better quarterback and was always a better choice to be the starter - but Hue chose to start the worse option anyway - RG3 is a workout warrior - exceptional athleticism for the position and in general, great arm strength, but nothing outside the arms and legs.
2) RG3 will probably start for the browns again this season, I suspect McCown won't make it 15 games. Agreed
3) Thank god we didn't trade McCown, starting Kessler in week 2 would probably have been a disaster. Agreed
4) I don't "trust hue on this one." Everybody agrees with overdrafted Kessler, and he hasn't shown us anything in the pre-season. See: Mannion, Sean. Kessler will be a footnote in the history of the browns' greatness after...
5) We're probably going to draft a top QB in 2017 - Agreed.
1) Why Hue fell in love with RG3 remains a mystery, McCown is a better quarterback and was always a better choice to be the starter - but Hue chose to start the worse option anyway - RG3 is a workout warrior - exceptional athleticism for the position and in general, great arm strength, but nothing outside the arms and legs. Hue, did you read any of the scouting reports, or watch some tape of his games? Every flaw in those reports was evident game one. Same old RG III- and showed why the Redskins dumped him. Or you think you could perform a near miracle with good coaching?
2) RG3 will probably start for the browns again this season, I suspect McCown won't make it 15 games. Agreed
3) Thank god we didn't trade McCown, starting Kessler in week 2 would probably have been a disaster. Agreed
4) I don't "trust hue on this one." Everybody agrees with overdrafted Kessler, and he hasn't shown us anything in the pre-season. See: Mannion, Sean. Kessler will be a footnote in the history of the browns' greatness after... ditto. I don't trust Hue's judgement either. Right now Kessler looks like the second coming of Colt McCoy (maybe).
5) We're probably going to draft a top QB in 2017 - Agreed.
^^^^ Pretty much nailed it Chris. As I've said elsewhere, what did Hue see in Griffin that he didn't see in Wentz? Unless he was overruled by a FO enamored about amassing future draft picks. That would be a very bad start to organizational chemistry.
5) Assuming this season sucks as bad as predicted, we had better draft one of the Ds next year Watson or Kiser.
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I think the value of RG3 (free agent, low investment, boom or bust) was better than the value of Wentz (2nd overall pick, boom or bust).
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1) Why Hue fell in love with RG3 remains a mystery, McCown is a better quarterback and was always a better choice to be the starter - but Hue chose to start the worse option anyway - RG3 is a workout warrior - exceptional athleticism for the position and in general, great arm strength, but nothing outside the arms and legs. Hue, did you read any of the scouting reports, or watch some tape of his games? Every flaw in those reports was evident game one. Same old RG III- and showed why the Redskins dumped him. Or you think you could perform a near miracle with good coaching?
2) RG3 will probably start for the browns again this season, I suspect McCown won't make it 15 games. Agreed
3) Thank god we didn't trade McCown, starting Kessler in week 2 would probably have been a disaster. Agreed
4) I don't "trust hue on this one." Everybody agrees with overdrafted Kessler, and he hasn't shown us anything in the pre-season. See: Mannion, Sean. Kessler will be a footnote in the history of the browns' greatness after... ditto. I don't trust Hue's judgement either. Right now Kessler looks like the second coming of Colt McCoy (maybe).
5) We're probably going to draft a top QB in 2017 - Agreed.
^^^^ Pretty much nailed it Chris. As I've said elsewhere, what did Hue see in Griffin that he didn't see in Wentz? Unless he was overruled by a FO enamored about amassing future draft picks. That would be a very bad start to organizational chemistry.
5) Assuming this season sucks as bad as predicted, we had better draft one of the Ds next year Watson or Kiser.
^^^^ Pretty much nailed it Chris. As I've said elsewhere, what did Hue see in Griffin that he didn't see in Wentz? Unless he was overruled by a FO enamored about amassing future draft picks. That would be a very bad start to organizational chemistry.
5) Assuming this season sucks as bad as predicted, we had better draft one of the Ds next year Watson or Kiser.
Per a theory proposed by one member of this board, Hue's sole interest was in having a black QB on board. And he did not like Goff/Wentz because neither of them were black...and wanted to wait for next year for Watson.
I am not sure that I buy that....but it was a theory proposed.
It seems to me that is Hue wanted only black QBs, he would not have taken Kessler over Brisset or Prescott.
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^^^^ Pretty much nailed it Chris. As I've said elsewhere, what did Hue see in Griffin that he didn't see in Wentz? Unless he was overruled by a FO enamored about amassing future draft picks. That would be a very bad start to organizational chemistry.
5) Assuming this season sucks as bad as predicted, we had better draft one of the Ds next year Watson or Kiser.
Per a theory proposed by one member of this board, Hue's sole interest was in having a black QB on board. And he did not like Goff/Wentz because neither of them were black...and wanted to wait for next year for Watson.
I am not sure that I buy that....but it was a theory proposed.
It seems to me that is Hue wanted only black QBs, he would not have taken Kessler over Brisset or Prescott.
Per a theory proposed by one member of this board, Hue's sole interest was in having a black QB on board. And he did not like Goff/Wentz because neither of them were black...and wanted to wait for next year for Watson.
I am not sure that I buy that....but it was a theory proposed.
It seems to me that is Hue wanted only black QBs, he would not have taken Kessler over Brisset or Prescott.
LOL, that's definitely not the case. but I spoke with someone who saw every Cody Kessler game a few days ago, and they said they believed he'd be "nothing special" as an NFL QB.
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i actually really liked what i saw out of Cody Kessler in college but I'm probably in the minority here
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We've been through multiple regimes with multiple staffing changes - yet there's been leaks every year.
What's the one constant?
Chris Tabor. He's the leak. Fire his ass.
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Per a theory proposed by one member of this board, Hue's sole interest was in having a black QB on board. And he did not like Goff/Wentz because neither of them were black...and wanted to wait for next year for Watson.
I am not sure that I buy that....but it was a theory proposed.
It seems to me that is Hue wanted only black QBs, he would not have taken Kessler over Brisset or Prescott.
LOL, that's definitely not the case. but I spoke with someone who saw every Cody Kessler game a few days ago, and they said they believed he'd be "nothing special" as an NFL QB.
LOL, that's definitely not the case. but I spoke with someone who saw every Cody Kessler game a few days ago, and they said they believed he'd be "nothing special" as an NFL QB.
He hasn't shown anything special yet. But then, I suspect that a lot of the same was said about Brian Sipe.
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^^^^ Pretty much nailed it Chris. As I've said elsewhere, what did Hue see in Griffin that he didn't see in Wentz? Unless he was overruled by a FO enamored about amassing future draft picks. That would be a very bad start to organizational chemistry.
5) Assuming this season sucks as bad as predicted, we had better draft one of the Ds next year Watson or Kiser.
Per a theory proposed by one member of this board, Hue's sole interest was in having a black QB on board. And he did not like Goff/Wentz because neither of them were black...and wanted to wait for next year for Watson.
I am not sure that I buy that....but it was a theory proposed.
It seems to me that is Hue wanted only black QBs, he would not have taken Kessler over Brisset or Prescott.
Per a theory proposed by one member of this board, Hue's sole interest was in having a black QB on board. And he did not like Goff/Wentz because neither of them were black...and wanted to wait for next year for Watson.
I am not sure that I buy that....but it was a theory proposed.
It seems to me that is Hue wanted only black QBs, he would not have taken Kessler over Brisset or Prescott.
Oh brother.
The guy that brought Carson Palmer to Oakland and Cody Kessler to Cleveland and made stars out of Joe Flacco and And Dalton must have a black QB as starter ... lol.
Griffin was a former #2 overall pick that was cheap and available, and once LA traded up to get Hue's boy Goff (white as the driven snow) we traded out on Wentz to gamble on RG3 for a year, knowing we would be a major player in the 2017 draft with a very young team and two first rounders.
Here, is our latest QB hire, Hogan is usually an Irish name, but you better check his lineage for sure:
Just wondering if we are choosing starters on the color of their skin on the other side of the ball too, because our Black GM, Black HC and Black DC just made starters out of third round pick Carl Nassib and 4th round pick Joe Schobert ... somebody better tell them they are white.
Zombo
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With Kessler, I'm hoping he can at least develop in to a solid backup who has a lot of experience in Hue's system and will be riding the pine in Cleveland for the next 15 years behind Peyton Montana or Tom Marino or whatever our future HoF QB's name is.
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^^^^ Pretty much nailed it Chris. As I've said elsewhere, what did Hue see in Griffin that he didn't see in Wentz? Unless he was overruled by a FO enamored about amassing future draft picks. That would be a very bad start to organizational chemistry.
5) Assuming this season sucks as bad as predicted, we had better draft one of the Ds next year Watson or Kiser.
Per a theory proposed by one member of this board, Hue's sole interest was in having a black QB on board. And he did not like Goff/Wentz because neither of them were black...and wanted to wait for next year for Watson.
I am not sure that I buy that....but it was a theory proposed.
It seems to me that is Hue wanted only black QBs, he would not have taken Kessler over Brisset or Prescott.
Per a theory proposed by one member of this board, Hue's sole interest was in having a black QB on board. And he did not like Goff/Wentz because neither of them were black...and wanted to wait for next year for Watson.
I am not sure that I buy that....but it was a theory proposed.
It seems to me that is Hue wanted only black QBs, he would not have taken Kessler over Brisset or Prescott.
Right. Because we have a bunch of racist fucks on this board
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I don't think it's as huge of a deal as people are making it out to be. If Wentz ends up being the real deal QB, that's the "holy shit, we fucked up" history note.
We know what we have in McCown, and that's a decent, back-up level talent. It's not like this team was pining for more than 3-4 wins even with Josh, so Hue went with the "boom or bust" choice in RG3 over McCown. That obviously blew up in about the worst way possible but I don't blame him for going that route between the two. It's 100% clear now that while RG3 has talent at the position, he just will never get out of his own way. I'm sure Hue will see that too. But honestly, given the QB situation what did bringing in RG3 and hoping for a rebirth hurt? Nothing at all except MAYBE (this is where I don't buy it) some development of Kessler. Even IF that's true, we're talking about a very short period of time given how it's panned out.
The scenario with Kessler is still unfolding so I'm not going to speculate on "good or bad" on that yet nor should anyone. As we know, it's pretty damn likely we're gonna see Kessler suit up so let's just see how that plays out on the field before saying it was stupid or not.
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Lol, does anyone else remember when Hue said "it felt like the Earth moved beneath my feet" when referring to RG3's private workout. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000647379/article/hue-jackson-fell-in-love-with-robert-griffin-iii-at-private-workout
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Per a theory proposed by one member of this board, Hue's sole interest was in having a black QB on board. And he did not like Goff/Wentz because neither of them were black...and wanted to wait for next year for Watson.
I am not sure that I buy that....but it was a theory proposed.
It seems to me that is Hue wanted only black QBs, he would not have taken Kessler over Brisset or Prescott.
Oh brother.
The guy that brought Carson Palmer to Oakland and Cody Kessler to Cleveland and made stars out of Joe Flacco and And Dalton must have a black QB as starter ... lol.
Griffin was a former #2 overall pick that was cheap and available, and once LA traded up to get Hue's boy Goff (white as the driven snow) we traded out on Wentz to gamble on RG3 for a year, knowing we would be a major player in the 2017 draft with a very young team and two first rounders.
Here, is our latest QB hire, Hogan is usually an Irish name, but you better check his lineage for sure:
Just wondering if we are choosing starters on the color of their skin on the other side of the ball too, because our Black GM, Black HC and Black DC just made starters out of third round pick Carl Nassib and 4th round pick Joe Schobert ... somebody better tell them they are white.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Oh brother.
The guy that brought Carson Palmer to Oakland and Cody Kessler to Cleveland and made stars out of Joe Flacco and And Dalton must have a black QB as starter ... lol.
Griffin was a former #2 overall pick that was cheap and available, and once LA traded up to get Hue's boy Goff (white as the driven snow) we traded out on Wentz to gamble on RG3 for a year, knowing we would be a major player in the 2017 draft with a very young team and two first rounders.
Here, is our latest QB hire, Hogan is usually an Irish name, but you better check his lineage for sure:
Just wondering if we are choosing starters on the color of their skin on the other side of the ball too, because our Black GM, Black HC and Black DC just made starters out of third round pick Carl Nassib and 4th round pick Joe Schobert ... somebody better tell them they are white.
Zombo
Calculated gamble Z. Kessler? Ummm.... here's what PFF had to say. https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-cody-kessler-qb-usc/
Yeah- the reaction when we drafted him was Cody who? The sarcasm in me says didn't Holmgren say pretty much the same thing about McCoy? Give me one of the Ds next year please. Golly gee- they're both black. Maybe Hue will have the earth move under his feet when he scouts them next spring. No guarantee Kiser will declare. And we always have those fast risers like Wentz.
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Zombo said:
Oh brother.
The guy that brought Carson Palmer to Oakland and Cody Kessler to Cleveland and made stars out of Joe Flacco and And Dalton must have a black QB as starter ... lol.
Griffin was a former #2 overall pick that was cheap and available, and once LA traded up to get Hue's boy Goff (white as the driven snow) we traded out on Wentz to gamble on RG3 for a year, knowing we would be a major player in the 2017 draft with a very young team and two first rounders.
Here, is our latest QB hire, Hogan is usually an Irish name, but you better check his lineage for sure:
Just wondering if we are choosing starters on the color of their skin on the other side of the ball too, because our Black GM, Black HC and Black DC just made starters out of third round pick Carl Nassib and 4th round pick Joe Schobert ... somebody better tell them they are white.
Zombo
Calculated gamble Z. Kessler? Ummm.... here's what PFF had to say. https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-cody-kessler-qb-usc/
Yeah- the reaction when we drafted him was Cody who? The sarcasm in me says didn't Holmgren say pretty much the same thing about McCoy? Give me one of the Ds next year please. Golly gee- they're both black. Maybe Hue will have the earth move under his feet when he scouts them next spring. No guarantee Kiser will declare. And we always have those fast risers like Wentz.
Calculated gamble Z. Kessler? Ummm.... here's what PFF had to say. https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft-pff-scouting-report-cody-kessler-qb-usc/
Is that the same PFF that said Danny Shelton played well in our opener?
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Zombo said:
Gee I was just SO wrong. What was I thinking? Hue's going to be another Tony Dungy. Nassib? DROY. Kessler will be another Drew Brees. Happy now? Man, I'm done, with a capital D.
So sorry I was raining on the happiness train. I have plenty of other things I could do other than waste a lot of time on the Board.
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So the "realists" trust PFF on Kessler but not when it comes to giving us the highest grade in the draft or saying we have some solid young talent. Word.
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I think the value of RG3 (free agent, low investment, boom or bust) was better than the value of Wentz (2nd overall pick, boom or bust).
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