Carson Wentz
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Yes, the Manziel pick really hurt us. At the end of his playing days with us, I felt that he was making some improvement reading the field and making plays. I believe he still struggled in the red zone (as we always do), but you could see the talent when he played. We always clung to the hope he would figure it out, but I think most of us knew he would never be a long term solution. That pick hurt us, and continues to do so.
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It's not crying over spilled milk, it's pointing out how our new front office may have completely screwed our franchise over for ANOTHER ten years. Kessler fought his ass off, but in my opinion, he doesn't have the athletic ability to make it as a starter. Think of it THIS way...who would you compare him to in the NFL today that is successful? And I mean TODAY'S NFL. Don't say Joe Montana or something like that. The game is different now.
To be fair, just because a player doesn't compare to successful players, it doesn't mean that he CAN'T thrive, but I do think it's worth mentioning. Kessler looked extremely slow, and his arm didn't look great. Maybe he can overcome these things, but I just don't think so. It's probably safe to say that we're picking a QB at the top of next year's draft, and let's hope to hell that he works out.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But if I was a betting man, I'd put money on Cody being a backup at best.
It's not crying over spilled milk, it's pointing out how our new front office may have completely screwed our franchise over for ANOTHER ten years. Kessler fought his ass off, but in my opinion, he doesn't have the athletic ability to make it as a starter. Think of it THIS way...who would you compare him to in the NFL today that is successful? And I mean TODAY'S NFL. Don't say Joe Montana or something like that. The game is different now.
To be fair, just because a player doesn't compare to successful players, it doesn't mean that he CAN'T thrive, but I do think it's worth mentioning. Kessler looked extremely slow, and his arm didn't look great. Maybe he can overcome these things, but I just don't think so. It's probably safe to say that we're picking a QB at the top of next year's draft, and let's hope to hell that he works out.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But if I was a betting man, I'd put money on Cody being a backup at best.
Here's everything in a nutshell.
1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.
2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.
3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.
4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?
We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.
Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.
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It's not crying over spilled milk, it's pointing out how our new front office may have completely screwed our franchise over for ANOTHER ten years. Kessler fought his ass off, but in my opinion, he doesn't have the athletic ability to make it as a starter. Think of it THIS way...who would you compare him to in the NFL today that is successful? And I mean TODAY'S NFL. Don't say Joe Montana or something like that. The game is different now.
To be fair, just because a player doesn't compare to successful players, it doesn't mean that he CAN'T thrive, but I do think it's worth mentioning. Kessler looked extremely slow, and his arm didn't look great. Maybe he can overcome these things, but I just don't think so. It's probably safe to say that we're picking a QB at the top of next year's draft, and let's hope to hell that he works out.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But if I was a betting man, I'd put money on Cody being a backup at best.
Here's everything in a nutshell.
1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.
2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.
3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.
4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?
We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.
Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.
Here's everything in a nutshell.
1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.
2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.
3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.
4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?
We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.
Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.
#4 is in error. Here is what Kessler did.
GAME
COMP ATT YDS TDS INT RATING 9/25/2016 @ MIA
21 33 244 0 0 85.9
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Here's everything in a nutshell.
1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.
2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.
3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.
4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?
We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.
Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.
#4 is in error. Here is what Kessler did.
GAME
COMP ATT YDS TDS INT RATING 9/25/2016 @ MIA
21 33 244 0 0 85.9
#4 is in error. Here is what Kessler did.
GAME
COMP ATT YDS TDS INT RATING 9/25/2016 @ MIA
21 33 244 0 0 85.9
I believe he means the offense put up over 400 total yards during his first start.
Zombo
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I wanted Goff OR Wentz and it didn't happen.
Just like I wished I was born a millionaire instead of so damned good looking
It's going to be a tough year as a Browns fan...but I'm used to it.
I'm going to enjoy watching some of these kids grow into some mighty fine football players.
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#4 is in error. Here is what Kessler did.
GAME
COMP ATT YDS TDS INT RATING 9/25/2016 @ MIA
21 33 244 0 0 85.9
I believe he means the offense put up over 400 total yards during his first start.
Zombo
Zombo said:
I believe he means the offense put up over 400 total yards during his first start.
Zombo
Agree. But wanted to show the numbers for him specifically were not bad at all for a rookie in his first game, especially considering the OL problems. Poor guy was throwing under duress almost every play.
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Zombo said:
I believe he means the offense put up over 400 total yards during his first start.
Zombo
Agree. But wanted to show the numbers for him specifically were not bad at all for a rookie in his first game, especially considering the OL problems. Poor guy was throwing under duress almost every play.
Agree. But wanted to show the numbers for him specifically were not bad at all for a rookie in his first game, especially considering the OL problems. Poor guy was throwing under duress almost every play.
Right, even by themselves that's a decent stat line for a dude in his situation, heck really above average.
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I expected Kessler to shit his pants on TV last week, but knew he would find some success with quick, underneath throws. He outplayed a guy shitting his pants on national TV. Excited for next week
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It's not crying over spilled milk, it's pointing out how our new front office may have completely screwed our franchise over for ANOTHER ten years. Kessler fought his ass off, but in my opinion, he doesn't have the athletic ability to make it as a starter. Think of it THIS way...who would you compare him to in the NFL today that is successful? And I mean TODAY'S NFL. Don't say Joe Montana or something like that. The game is different now.
To be fair, just because a player doesn't compare to successful players, it doesn't mean that he CAN'T thrive, but I do think it's worth mentioning. Kessler looked extremely slow, and his arm didn't look great. Maybe he can overcome these things, but I just don't think so. It's probably safe to say that we're picking a QB at the top of next year's draft, and let's hope to hell that he works out.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But if I was a betting man, I'd put money on Cody being a backup at best.
Here's everything in a nutshell.
1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.
2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.
3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.
4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?
We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.
Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.
Here's everything in a nutshell.
1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.
2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.
3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.
4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?
We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.
Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.
BECAUSE. why trade out of drafting a FRANCHISE qb for a WR when you have no QB? a franchise QB who you could have playing for you for at least a decade.
why?:
1. because they thought RG3 was their cheap way out franchise QB? (fire hue and the FO).
2. because we needed 16 picks? with the eyeball test maybe 3 might stick? (fire hue and the FO).
3. because WR was most important draft need? (fire FO).
we developed a guy in pryor? GTFO here. we cut the guy remember? man if that's the way you develop players no wonder the browns haven't won dick.
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It's not crying over spilled milk, it's pointing out how our new front office may have completely screwed our franchise over for ANOTHER ten years. Kessler fought his ass off, but in my opinion, he doesn't have the athletic ability to make it as a starter. Think of it THIS way...who would you compare him to in the NFL today that is successful? And I mean TODAY'S NFL. Don't say Joe Montana or something like that. The game is different now.
To be fair, just because a player doesn't compare to successful players, it doesn't mean that he CAN'T thrive, but I do think it's worth mentioning. Kessler looked extremely slow, and his arm didn't look great. Maybe he can overcome these things, but I just don't think so. It's probably safe to say that we're picking a QB at the top of next year's draft, and let's hope to hell that he works out.
Hey, I hope I'm wrong, I really do. But if I was a betting man, I'd put money on Cody being a backup at best.
Here's everything in a nutshell.
1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.
2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.
3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.
4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?
We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.
Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.
Here's everything in a nutshell.
1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.
2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.
3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.
4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?
We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.
Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.
Great Post jrb. I quit watching The Carson Wentz TV Network,that the media created every week. The marching band jumpers (from Goff) won't stop regardless the names we draft from Philly & Tenn. trade & still got a talent in C.Coleman. A team that you could count talent on, one hand, needed to do exactly what they have done. We our finally watching a coaching staff that can acknowledge a talent in T.Pryor. Who caught 1 pass last season & the others are accepting getting coached up...Don't believe for a minute that Sashi & Depo are not listening to the football people on the sidelines. Examples Whitner,Hartline, Gilbert, Mingo & Kruger with additions like D. Davis, J.Taylor,Pena,Calhoun & Colquitt..only Wentz guess we may have missed on was overdrafting WR's not knowing if Gordon was a team bonus. Than now knowing Pryor is the real deal now at WR with Coleman..Go Browns!!
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends Team Brotherhood-"It's not about You,Me or I. It's about building We"..Hue Jackson -
Here's everything in a nutshell.
1) Carson Wentz looks very good, and we could have drafted him.
2) We did not draft him, but drafted a guy in Coleman instead who looks impressive. Hopefully the hand comes back fine, but he certainly has shown promise.
3) We drafted a guy in Cody Kessler who all along was supposed to be the guy to develop for a while. Because the Browns are cursed, he gets thrown to the wolves, on the road, and looks good. Not Wentz good, but "for a third round dude who wasn't supposed to really play this year" type of good. We will certainly see how that manifests over the next several weeks.
4) That same Kessler dude put up 400 yards of offense-not a bad day would you say?
We very well might have missed on Wentz, I'm not arguing with you that. BUT, I don't understand how you guys can't see that the guys we did draft, for arguably the first time in Browns history, actually appear to have talent across the board. We have rookies in their first starts making pick-6's. We have 3rd string rookie QB's putting up impressive offensive stats. We developed a guy in TP who was left for dead.
Point is, I'm very impressed so far with the strategy of the team and the players. They are going to suck this year, but that's the whole point.
BECAUSE. why trade out of drafting a FRANCHISE qb for a WR when you have no QB? a franchise QB who you could have playing for you for at least a decade.
why?:
1. because they thought RG3 was their cheap way out franchise QB? (fire hue and the FO).
2. because we needed 16 picks? with the eyeball test maybe 3 might stick? (fire hue and the FO).
3. because WR was most important draft need? (fire FO).
we developed a guy in pryor? GTFO here. we cut the guy remember? man if that's the way you develop players no wonder the browns haven't won dick.
BECAUSE. why trade out of drafting a FRANCHISE qb for a WR when you have no QB? a franchise QB who you could have playing for you for at least a decade.
why?:
1. because they thought RG3 was their cheap way out franchise QB? (fire hue and the FO).
2. because we needed 16 picks? with the eyeball test maybe 3 might stick? (fire hue and the FO).
3. because WR was most important draft need? (fire FO).
we developed a guy in pryor? GTFO here. we cut the guy remember? man if that's the way you develop players no wonder the browns haven't won dick.
You do realize Pryor was cut by Farmer...right?
I'm awesome, and I fuck dolphins. Ghoolie 12/2/2012: I have absolutely no skills, training or pride -
BECAUSE. why trade out of drafting a FRANCHISE qb for a WR when you have no QB? a franchise QB who you could have playing for you for at least a decade.
why?:
1. because they thought RG3 was their cheap way out franchise QB? (fire hue and the FO).
2. because we needed 16 picks? with the eyeball test maybe 3 might stick? (fire hue and the FO).
3. because WR was most important draft need? (fire FO).
we developed a guy in pryor? GTFO here. we cut the guy remember? man if that's the way you develop players no wonder the browns haven't won dick.
You do realize Pryor was cut by Farmer...right?
You do realize Pryor was cut by Farmer...right?
and brought back by,but honestly who cares he is with us now
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BECAUSE. why trade out of drafting a FRANCHISE qb for a WR when you have no QB? a franchise QB who you could have playing for you for at least a decade.
why?:
1. because they thought RG3 was their cheap way out franchise QB? (fire hue and the FO).
2. because we needed 16 picks? with the eyeball test maybe 3 might stick? (fire hue and the FO).
3. because WR was most important draft need? (fire FO).
we developed a guy in pryor? GTFO here. we cut the guy remember? man if that's the way you develop players no wonder the browns haven't won dick.
You do realize Pryor was cut by Farmer...right?
You do realize Pryor was cut by Farmer...right?
yeah he was cut by farmer. which means there was no development then. brought back now. so how did the browns develop t. pryor sr.?
dude has raw talent and played with it last week. let's not act that hue touched him with some almighty coaching 'staff of the all holy' and overnite he found his game.
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Well regardless of it all, it will be fun to see if Josh Norman gets assigned to keep him in check for the Native Americans.
PS-I put the over/under on Norman interceptions @ 2.5.
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Well regardless of it all, it will be fun to see if Josh Norman gets assigned to keep him in check for the Native Americans.
PS-I put the over/under on Norman interceptions @ 2.5.
FYI.... DC has potatoes. The Indians are in Cleveland. Redskins around here are just tatersWell regardless of it all, it will be fun to see if Josh Norman gets assigned to keep him in check for the Native Americans.
PS-I put the over/under on Norman interceptions @ 2.5.
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You do realize Pryor was cut by Farmer...right?
yeah he was cut by farmer. which means there was no development then. brought back now. so how did the browns develop t. pryor sr.?
dude has raw talent and played with it last week. let's not act that hue touched him with some almighty coaching 'staff of the all holy' and overnite he found his game.
yeah he was cut by farmer. which means there was no development then. brought back now. so how did the browns develop t. pryor sr.?
dude has raw talent and played with it last week. let's not act that hue touched him with some almighty coaching 'staff of the all holy' and overnite he found his game.
Hue as OC in Cinny cut Pryor also mik. Cinny was loaded at WR last season. Per S. Wilcox, Hue was all over trying to get Marvin Jones or Sanu but knew Pryor had the same athletic ability. Al Saunders looks to me, he took the ability, got TP to fight off LOS,knows playbook & when to look for ball. Biggest improvement imo is TP's conditioning & full speed in & out of cuts. No magic wands, but TP was seen working out with other WR's during the off season again. Can't say TP has not worked to learn the position..
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In just one year, we added Carl Nassib, Corey Coleman, and Terrell Pryor (he played last year, but got cut, then added again). Ogbah is also a high pick that can develop, but we've yet to really see the eye-popping numbers early in the season. I'm hoping he turns it on soon before the rookie wall sets in.
We've also had a couple second year players emerge. Shelton is showing up, Duke Johnson is a weapon, and I'm sure there are others. Third year players like Crow and Bitonio continue to develop. We're starting to get a nice foundation of young players.
With all of that said, it DOES hurt when you appear to miss on a young QB. It hurts badly.
What many of the "experts" are saying is the Browns will finish with either the first or second pick in the draft. If we get the first. we might not even take a QB. From what I read, the clear-cut #1 pick of the entire draft doesn't play QB. He plays DE for Texas A&M. Myles Garrett. He's 6'5, 262 pounds...and he's nasty.
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