Josh Gordon entering rehab
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I still wouldn't release him. If in fact this is just a ploy to get out of a contract and possibly play somewhere he likes better then go to hell. Sit on the roster unpaid and rot.
WSS
I still wouldn't release him. If in fact this is just a ploy to get out of a contract and possibly play somewhere he likes better then go to hell. Sit on the roster unpaid and rot.
WSS
True. As I understand the TEAM could actually suspend him and put him on a PUP list or something like that.
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More like the MUP list - Mentally Unable to Perform.
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Look, Josh Gordon has gotten a raw deal since he's been here from the league. Not from Cleveland, but yes- definitely from the league. He's submitted to countless drug tests. They raised the tolerance levels and still retro-punished him for an entire year, banned from the league. He's been a victim of character defamation from the get go. The latest reports are he's smuggling nearly a pound of pot in the airport. It's bullshit and all a ploy to snatch him from Cleveland on the eve of his reinstatement.
As a matter of fact he should have been allowed to start the season with the team except for another bullshit 4 game suspension that even Gordon himself said he doesn't know what for...
Nothing from anywhere is saying he's fucked up again. He's having difficulties dealing with the pressure. That same pressure that caused him to use in the past. Everyone said he should be smart and not use... well he took the advice and seeked help so not to cost him his career and now you are all bashing him... assholes.
Look, Josh Gordon has gotten a raw deal since he's been here from the league. Not from Cleveland, but yes- definitely from the league. He's submitted to countless drug tests. They raised the tolerance levels and still retro-punished him for an entire year, banned from the league. He's been a victim of character defamation from the get go. The latest reports are he's smuggling nearly a pound of pot in the airport. It's bullshit and all a ploy to snatch him from Cleveland on the eve of his reinstatement.
As a matter of fact he should have been allowed to start the season with the team except for another bullshit 4 game suspension that even Gordon himself said he doesn't know what for...
Nothing from anywhere is saying he's fucked up again. He's having difficulties dealing with the pressure. That same pressure that caused him to use in the past. Everyone said he should be smart and not use... well he took the advice and seeked help so not to cost him his career and now you are all bashing him... assholes.
The best ability is availability. Whatever the reason(s) Gordon hasn't been available for a long time, and won't be for the foreseeable future. It will come out soon enough why he checked into rehab. I think it was said- Josh had all last year to get his act together, so less than a week where he's able to return- gee, I think I need rehab. MHO is despite doing everything that was humanly possible since his reinstatement- Gordon has failed the Browns and himself yet again. He doesn't get unlimited mulligans, it certainly looks like the Browns have finally thrown in the towel, and written Flash off as a lost cause.
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Look, Josh Gordon has gotten a raw deal since he's been here from the league. Not from Cleveland, but yes- definitely from the league. He's submitted to countless drug tests. They raised the tolerance levels and still retro-punished him for an entire year, banned from the league. He's been a victim of character defamation from the get go. The latest reports are he's smuggling nearly a pound of pot in the airport. It's bullshit and all a ploy to snatch him from Cleveland on the eve of his reinstatement.
As a matter of fact he should have been allowed to start the season with the team except for another bullshit 4 game suspension that even Gordon himself said he doesn't know what for...
Nothing from anywhere is saying he's fucked up again. He's having difficulties dealing with the pressure. That same pressure that caused him to use in the past. Everyone said he should be smart and not use... well he took the advice and seeked help so not to cost him his career and now you are all bashing him... assholes.
Look, Josh Gordon has gotten a raw deal since he's been here from the league. Not from Cleveland, but yes- definitely from the league. He's submitted to countless drug tests. They raised the tolerance levels and still retro-punished him for an entire year, banned from the league. He's been a victim of character defamation from the get go. The latest reports are he's smuggling nearly a pound of pot in the airport. It's bullshit and all a ploy to snatch him from Cleveland on the eve of his reinstatement.
As a matter of fact he should have been allowed to start the season with the team except for another bullshit 4 game suspension that even Gordon himself said he doesn't know what for...
Nothing from anywhere is saying he's fucked up again. He's having difficulties dealing with the pressure. That same pressure that caused him to use in the past. Everyone said he should be smart and not use... well he took the advice and seeked help so not to cost him his career and now you are all bashing him... assholes.
You're a passionate fan and I enjoy reading a lot of your posts but hold on here... First, the reason he got another 4 games was because he failed another drug test during his suspension, which could have become curtains on his career if the NFL you want to blame for everything wanted to play Nazi on his career.
Why are the fans and NFL assholes for Josh's inability to pass drug tests after he pissed all over his scholarship at Baylor twice for marijuana? Why did he scare off all major DI college football programs except for Baylor? When he showed up to Baylor he told people he was going to make all critics sorry for doubting him. Who shall we blame for why he couldn't do so? Popcorn vendors? Police man?
Now, he comes to the NFL with all the same empty promises thinking all he had to do was beat some drug tests. If I'm getting this part wrong, please feel free to correct my recollection. Josh agreed to join the NFL with 2 strikes against him on the drug testing despite the reality had other options that were less punitive. I'm guessing he had an agent as a 2nd round pick right? Oh wait, that would be another one of Josh's decisions we're not allowed to hold accountable in operation in the blame all but Josh perspective.
I'm not applauding the NFL's consistency with drug testing or feeling good that Goodell answers to Rooney (knowing favoritism prolly takes place behind the scenes in terms of who's urine remains off limits in the random selection ie; Joey Porter and James Harrison). That said, the biggest question about Josh Gordon dating back to scaring off all those major DI schools despite his elite talent was his LOVE of the game that came to easy to him.
He cornered himself into the point of no return to where it became as easy as - do you LOVE football enough for a clean test? It's not that tough to have a clean urine test so let's stop pretending it is. He's always thought he could beat drug tests while using. I once had a foster kid in 2007 inform me he routinely beat drug tests while he continued to smoke marijauna. He bought all the things at Walmart that he made a kit out of. This was a troubled kid in junior high school so when I see these debates about trace amounts being bullshit - it tells me he put himself above the rules of his employment/multi-million $ lottery ticket. If your employee says you can't smoke pot - you can't smoke pot. That's what Josh Gordon agreed to when he entered the league under the conditions he and his path set forth. And when he wasn't testing positive - why was there a big bag of weed in his car when he was speeding? This historical trend never seemed to lie to us as much many of us hoped it was.
The biggest part of this guy's problem is he's a likeable guy very gifted at getting people to feel sorry for him so he never got the tough love intervention he needed. His unfortunate situation began and was perfected long before it inconvenienced Cleveland fans, and probably even Baylor or Utah fans. I don't really believe it's going to be as easy as Bill Belichick out-Godding God but I've certainly been wrong before. The last time we had a good look at how much football really meant to Gordon was when he rejoined our 6-4 football team in progress in 2014 after vowing we'd see the best version of Gordon we had ever seen. His first game back looked pretty good before he sand-bagged the next 4 while taking off plays and not knowing the playbook while contributing zero TDs. Then, he had another issue off the field where our coaching staff needed to suspend him. That didn't look anything like the guy from the 2013 season on a 2014 team that was winning almost twice as many games. 2013 feels like a lifetime ago except for the 4-12 football part of it...
I don't hate the guy at all. I hate what he did to his multi-million $ lottery ticket from the biggest asset God gave him at the expense of the 1 franchise that said "we'll believe in you" via being the only team willing to draft him. I can't pretend that hasn't been a huge distraction. I wish him well in whatever he continues to choose over football...
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Look, Josh Gordon has gotten a raw deal since he's been here from the league. Not from Cleveland, but yes- definitely from the league. He's submitted to countless drug tests. They raised the tolerance levels and still retro-punished him for an entire year, banned from the league. He's been a victim of character defamation from the get go. The latest reports are he's smuggling nearly a pound of pot in the airport. It's bullshit and all a ploy to snatch him from Cleveland on the eve of his reinstatement.
As a matter of fact he should have been allowed to start the season with the team except for another bullshit 4 game suspension that even Gordon himself said he doesn't know what for...
Nothing from anywhere is saying he's fucked up again. He's having difficulties dealing with the pressure. That same pressure that caused him to use in the past. Everyone said he should be smart and not use... well he took the advice and seeked help so not to cost him his career and now you are all bashing him... assholes.
You're a passionate fan and I enjoy reading a lot of your posts but hold on here... First, the reason he got another 4 games was because he failed another drug test during his suspension, which could have become curtains on his career if the NFL you want to blame for everything wanted to play Nazi on his career.
Why are the fans and NFL assholes for Josh's inability to pass drug tests after he pissed all over his scholarship at Baylor twice for marijuana? Why did he scare off all major DI college football programs except for Baylor? When he showed up to Baylor he told people he was going to make all critics sorry for doubting him. Who shall we blame for why he couldn't do so? Popcorn vendors? Police man?
Now, he comes to the NFL with all the same empty promises thinking all he had to do was beat some drug tests. If I'm getting this part wrong, please feel free to correct my recollection. Josh agreed to join the NFL with 2 strikes against him on the drug testing despite the reality had other options that were less punitive. I'm guessing he had an agent as a 2nd round pick right? Oh wait, that would be another one of Josh's decisions we're not allowed to hold accountable in operation in the blame all but Josh perspective.
I'm not applauding the NFL's consistency with drug testing or feeling good that Goodell answers to Rooney (knowing favoritism prolly takes place behind the scenes in terms of who's urine remains off limits in the random selection ie; Joey Porter and James Harrison). That said, the biggest question about Josh Gordon dating back to scaring off all those major DI schools despite his elite talent was his LOVE of the game that came to easy to him.
He cornered himself into the point of no return to where it became as easy as - do you LOVE football enough for a clean test? It's not that tough to have a clean urine test so let's stop pretending it is. He's always thought he could beat drug tests while using. I once had a foster kid in 2007 inform me he routinely beat drug tests while he continued to smoke marijauna. He bought all the things at Walmart that he made a kit out of. This was a troubled kid in junior high school so when I see these debates about trace amounts being bullshit - it tells me he put himself above the rules of his employment/multi-million $ lottery ticket. If your employee says you can't smoke pot - you can't smoke pot. That's what Josh Gordon agreed to when he entered the league under the conditions he and his path set forth. And when he wasn't testing positive - why was there a big bag of weed in his car when he was speeding? This historical trend never seemed to lie to us as much many of us hoped it was.
The biggest part of this guy's problem is he's a likeable guy very gifted at getting people to feel sorry for him so he never got the tough love intervention he needed. His unfortunate situation began and was perfected long before it inconvenienced Cleveland fans, and probably even Baylor or Utah fans. I don't really believe it's going to be as easy as Bill Belichick out-Godding God but I've certainly been wrong before. The last time we had a good look at how much football really meant to Gordon was when he rejoined our 6-4 football team in progress in 2014 after vowing we'd see the best version of Gordon we had ever seen. His first game back looked pretty good before he sand-bagged the next 4 while taking off plays and not knowing the playbook while contributing zero TDs. Then, he had another issue off the field where our coaching staff needed to suspend him. That didn't look anything like the guy from the 2013 season on a 2014 team that was winning almost twice as many games. 2013 feels like a lifetime ago except for the 4-12 football part of it...
I don't hate the guy at all. I hate what he did to his multi-million $ lottery ticket from the biggest asset God gave him at the expense of the 1 franchise that said "we'll believe in you" via being the only team willing to draft him. I can't pretend that hasn't been a huge distraction. I wish him well in whatever he continues to choose over football...
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Um....really?....Certainly not an advocate or supportive.....thats for sure....
Um.... yeah really! There's 1 major DI college at Baylor and 1 NFL team that rolled the dice on Josh. The inventory of suspensions reminded me I shouldn't support/advocate for the "Poor Josh" mentality that has enabled him to be where he is today.
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Gordon should not be released. At this point he isn't being paid as he is in breach so he can sit and ruin his life if he wishes as the Browns have supported him to no end. In ANY walk of life (if you're reading this JG) you will never and I do mean never find a more supportive employer than you have with the Cleveland Browns. In fact I don't think I have even heard of, in over 35 years, of any employer giving a person as many drug related chances as you have received with the organization. You should be entirely devoted to such a group as they have to you.
Still, back on topic, don't release him. If any team is interested in a trade the cost is simple - a first round pick and you get him. If not, no problem as the team loses nothing. We hold ALL the cards, no reason to release him, none.
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He is back on the indefinite suspension list.
So that oughta take care of any roster concerns, or Big Bad Bill getting him.
Zombo
Zombo said:
So that oughta take care of any roster concerns,
Gordon & Ant.Bryant both were not on 53 man roster being suspended? Still short 1 roster spot of 53 for Reiter? Right?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
@ Tom Pelissero (USA Today sportswriter)
NFL informed clubs on the transaction wire today that #Browns WR Josh Gordon will remain on the reserve/suspended list until further notice.
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Zombo said:
So that oughta take care of any roster concerns,
Gordon & Ant.Bryant both were not on 53 man roster being suspended? Still short 1 roster spot of 53 for Reiter? Right?
Correct, Gordo & Bryant did not count against the 53 man.Gordon & Ant.Bryant both were not on 53 man roster being suspended? Still short 1 roster spot of 53 for Reiter? Right?
Since Reiter was brought over from another team's PS, he had to be placed on the 53 man roster.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
That's for sure, given opportunities that 99.999%+ of the general population never can dream of yet throw it away with both hands.More like the MUP list - Mentally Unable to Perform.
The NFL has programs and mentors some just don't or can't follow along. Best of luck to him in his next chosen profession.....unless he gets yet another shot at professional football.
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The indefinite suspension list is hilarious.....fucking hilarious. He and johnny can drink up now
Mark, on this we can agree. It ain't funny. Throw Justin Blackmon in the mix. Bet the ranch the dumbass failed another drug test. Haha PG? I'm betting Gordon got the Death Penalty this time. Or do you really think Old Rodger is gonna believe Josh as far as he could throw him next year when the possibility of reinstatement comes up? Hell's Bells, it all got explained to Gordon plain as mud back in April when he got the conditional reinstatement- and he couldn't live up to the terms.
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Josh Gordon was going to be reinstated this week. He checked into rehab to avoid a setback. There have been no reports he failed anymore tests. This is a precautionary measure only. When Gordon gets out he'll be fully reinstated.
The secret of getting ahead is getting started. The secret of getting started is breaking your complex overwhelming tasks into small manageable tasks, and then starting on the first one. -Mark Twain- "It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." -Mark Twain- -
Josh Gordon was going to be reinstated this week. He checked into rehab to avoid a setback. There have been no reports he failed anymore tests. This is a precautionary measure only. When Gordon gets out he'll be fully reinstated.
Josh Gordon was going to be reinstated this week. He checked into rehab to avoid a setback. There have been no reports he failed anymore tests. This is a precautionary measure only. When Gordon gets out he'll be fully reinstated.
Sorry Po, he has been indefinitely suspended again.
It's over.
Z
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Josh Gordon was going to be reinstated this week. He checked into rehab to avoid a setback. There have been no reports he failed anymore tests. This is a precautionary measure only. When Gordon gets out he'll be fully reinstated.
Sorry Po, he has been indefinitely suspended again.
It's over.
Z
Zombo said:
Sorry Po, he has been indefinitely suspended again.
It's over.
Z
And that's why long time AA/NA members call addiction "baffling". Millions of $$$ down the drain with zero understanding on the part of the person under it's spell. I suspect those here who have ever been caught in it's web of self deception have a better understanding of it than all the rest of us combined. Logic and intent have nothing to do with conquering it. Step #1 "We admitted we were powerless over alcohol/drugs—that our lives had become unmanageable."
Neither Josh nor JM have been able to take that first step. Very sad for all involved, Browns organization and fans included along with friends and family.
Ironic that both fall back in it deeply just as they are being handed the keys to drive the O.
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