Brian Hoyer released by Texans
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Hoyer is better than Anderson, but neither are anywhere close to Top 32. Quinn isn't either.
Hoyer is better than Anderson, but neither are anywhere close to Top 32. Quinn isn't either.
So you don't think either are in top half of backups? That would put them in the top 48.
I think the feeling around the league is that they both are amongst the top half of backups.
Ya ... Quinn hasn't played for years and wasn't good enough to be a backup when he did ... so bold call there.
Zombo
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Derek Anderson might start for an injured QB this week too, doesn't mean he also isn't horrible.
Guess we don't agree on what "terrible" is.
A top backup who stays in the league for ten years and can give you a chance to win ballgames if your starter goes down ... I call those guys "decent".
Hoyer and Anderson are decent quarterbacks, not Top 32, but not far off of the fringe, and that is why they stay employed.
But you don't want "decent" as your franchise guy, that's why we sat them to look at Quinn and Manziel the first rounders ... that went well.
We'll hit one, one of these times.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Guess we don't agree on what "terrible" is.
A top backup who stays in the league for ten years and can give you a chance to win ballgames if your starter goes down ... I call those guys "decent".
Hoyer and Anderson are decent quarterbacks, not Top 32, but not far off of the fringe, and that is why they stay employed.
But you don't want "decent" as your franchise guy, that's why we sat them to look at Quinn and Manziel the first rounders ... that went well.
We'll hit one, one of these times.
Zombo
Colt McCoy too?
What about Weeden?
Lot of ex-Browns serving as backups.
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Hoyer is better than Anderson, but neither are anywhere close to Top 32. Quinn isn't either.
So you don't think either are in top half of backups? That would put them in the top 48.
I think the feeling around the league is that they both are amongst the top half of backups.
Ya ... Quinn hasn't played for years and wasn't good enough to be a backup when he did ... so bold call there.
Zombo
Zombo said:
So you don't think either are in top half of backups? That would put them in the top 48.
I think the feeling around the league is that they both are amongst the top half of backups.
Ya ... Quinn hasn't played for years and wasn't good enough to be a backup when he did ... so bold call there.
Zombo
At this point RGshoulderblade and McCown might fit in the backup mold.
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Zombo said:
Guess we don't agree on what "terrible" is.
A top backup who stays in the league for ten years and can give you a chance to win ballgames if your starter goes down ... I call those guys "decent".
Hoyer and Anderson are decent quarterbacks, not Top 32, but not far off of the fringe, and that is why they stay employed.
But you don't want "decent" as your franchise guy, that's why we sat them to look at Quinn and Manziel the first rounders ... that went well.
We'll hit one, one of these times.
Zombo
Colt McCoy too?
What about Weeden?
Lot of ex-Browns serving as backups.
Colt McCoy too?
What about Weeden?
Lot of ex-Browns serving as backups.
Ya, they are #2's so they are Top 64 QBs too.
I think you know what you are going to get with McCoy, but you don't with Weeden ... I'll put it that way.
Kessler looks more promising than either of them did out of the box right away,
Or Anderson and Hoyer in their very starts for that matter.
Zombo
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Derek Anderson might start for an injured QB this week too, doesn't mean he also isn't horrible.
Guess we don't agree on what "terrible" is.
A top backup who stays in the league for ten years and can give you a chance to win ballgames if your starter goes down ... I call those guys "decent".
Hoyer and Anderson are decent quarterbacks, not Top 32, but not far off of the fringe, and that is why they stay employed.
But you don't want "decent" as your franchise guy, that's why we sat them to look at Quinn and Manziel the first rounders ... that went well.
We'll hit one, one of these times.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Guess we don't agree on what "terrible" is.
A top backup who stays in the league for ten years and can give you a chance to win ballgames if your starter goes down ... I call those guys "decent".
Hoyer and Anderson are decent quarterbacks, not Top 32, but not far off of the fringe, and that is why they stay employed.
But you don't want "decent" as your franchise guy, that's why we sat them to look at Quinn and Manziel the first rounders ... that went well.
We'll hit one, one of these times.
Zombo
Colt McCoy too?
What about Weeden?
Lot of ex-Browns serving as backups.
I think we can safely say- the Browns excel at drafting backup quarterbacks. Now can we please draft a top tier franchise guy for a change?
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"The veteran backup was 28-of-36 for 302 yards and two touchdowns"-yep, I'd call that decent. But we also know that he has those off games full of turnovers and fluttering ducks that miss the zip code.
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To all you still sucking on Hoyer's dong: if he's such an excellent QB, then how come he's been cut by almost half a dozen teams? New England, Shittsburgh, Arizona, Cleveland, Houston - all have released him after 1-2 seasons with the team. Why couldn't he make it stick with at least one of those teams?
You have to be honest with yourselves, people. The dude is a career backup at best, and a fucking bum at worst. All of you rave about the good performances he had, like against Cincinnati and Tennessee when he was with the Browns, but your memories are fuzzy when it comes to his shit performances: like when he had 1 touchdown and 8 INT's over four games in the last half of 2014 w/ the Browns, or how he got benched in the 4th quarter of the first game for Houston last year and only got the job back because Mallet got hurt, or how he threw 4 INT's in a playoff game and ended Houston's season last year?
Don't get me wrong, Hoyer genuinely seems like a nice guy, but he is what he is: a career backup who can play for you in a pinch, but he shits the bed constantly when teams depend on him. He cannot carry the responsibility of being a full time starter, and Browns fans are wasting their time with these "what if" scenarios.
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And another thing, it wasn't the Browns who wanted to initially cut Hoyer, he was the one who told the FO that he wanted a new contract and wanted to be named the starter going forward, even after that dogshit performance in the back half of the 2014 season. He was the one who walked away after the Browns weren't willing to name him starter.
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And another thing, it wasn't the Browns who wanted to initially cut Hoyer, he was the one who told the FO that he wanted a new contract and wanted to be named the starter going forward, even after that dogshit performance in the back half of the 2014 season. He was the one who walked away after the Browns weren't willing to name him starter.
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To all you still sucking on Hoyer's dong: if he's such an excellent QB, then how come he's been cut by almost half a dozen teams? New England, Shittsburgh, Arizona, Cleveland, Houston - all have released him after 1-2 seasons with the team. Why couldn't he make it stick with at least one of those teams?
You have to be honest with yourselves, people. The dude is a career backup at best, and a fucking bum at worst. All of you rave about the good performances he had, like against Cincinnati and Tennessee when he was with the Browns, but your memories are fuzzy when it comes to his shit performances: like when he had 1 touchdown and 8 INT's over four games in the last half of 2014 w/ the Browns, or how he got benched in the 4th quarter of the first game for Houston last year and only got the job back because Mallet got hurt, or how he threw 4 INT's in a playoff game and ended Houston's season last year?
Don't get me wrong, Hoyer genuinely seems like a nice guy, but he is what he is: a career backup who can play for you in a pinch, but he shits the bed constantly when teams depend on him. He cannot carry the responsibility of being a full time starter, and Browns fans are wasting their time with these "what if" scenarios.
To all you still sucking on Hoyer's dong: if he's such an excellent QB, then how come he's been cut by almost half a dozen teams? New England, Shittsburgh, Arizona, Cleveland, Houston - all have released him after 1-2 seasons with the team. Why couldn't he make it stick with at least one of those teams?
You have to be honest with yourselves, people. The dude is a career backup at best, and a fucking bum at worst. All of you rave about the good performances he had, like against Cincinnati and Tennessee when he was with the Browns, but your memories are fuzzy when it comes to his shit performances: like when he had 1 touchdown and 8 INT's over four games in the last half of 2014 w/ the Browns, or how he got benched in the 4th quarter of the first game for Houston last year and only got the job back because Mallet got hurt, or how he threw 4 INT's in a playoff game and ended Houston's season last year?
Don't get me wrong, Hoyer genuinely seems like a nice guy, but he is what he is: a career backup who can play for you in a pinch, but he shits the bed constantly when teams depend on him. He cannot carry the responsibility of being a full time starter, and Browns fans are wasting their time with these "what if" scenarios.
What's wrong with being a career backup who can play for you in a pinch? Not bad for an undrafted guy.
Who are these phantom Browns fans with "what if" scenarios?
I have never heard one Browns fan on this board wish we still had Hoyer starting. Not one.
Are you having imaginary arguments in your head ... or did you come from another board where they hold Brian Hoyer in great esteem?
Zombo
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To all you still sucking on Hoyer's dong: if he's such an excellent QB, then how come he's been cut by almost half a dozen teams? New England, Shittsburgh, Arizona, Cleveland, Houston - all have released him after 1-2 seasons with the team. Why couldn't he make it stick with at least one of those teams?
You have to be honest with yourselves, people. The dude is a career backup at best, and a fucking bum at worst. All of you rave about the good performances he had, like against Cincinnati and Tennessee when he was with the Browns, but your memories are fuzzy when it comes to his shit performances: like when he had 1 touchdown and 8 INT's over four games in the last half of 2014 w/ the Browns, or how he got benched in the 4th quarter of the first game for Houston last year and only got the job back because Mallet got hurt, or how he threw 4 INT's in a playoff game and ended Houston's season last year?
Don't get me wrong, Hoyer genuinely seems like a nice guy, but he is what he is: a career backup who can play for you in a pinch, but he shits the bed constantly when teams depend on him. He cannot carry the responsibility of being a full time starter, and Browns fans are wasting their time with these "what if" scenarios.
What's wrong with being a career backup who can play for you in a pinch? Not bad for an undrafted guy.
Who are these phantom Browns fans with "what if" scenarios?
I have never heard one Browns fan on this board wish we still had Hoyer starting. Not one.
Are you having imaginary arguments in your head ... or did you come from another board where they hold Brian Hoyer in great esteem?
Zombo
\Zombo said:
What's wrong with being a career backup who can play for you in a pinch? Not bad for an undrafted guy.
Who are these phantom Browns fans with "what if" scenarios?
I have never heard one Browns fan on this board wish we still had Hoyer starting. Not one.
Are you having imaginary arguments in your head ... or did you come from another board where they hold Brian Hoyer in great esteem?
Zombo
I think the best thing we can say about Hoyer is.. When you have the perfect scenario of a great cockpit and great receivers.. A Brian Hoyer can be a very good bridge QB. if a certain team needed one. Nothing more...
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To all you still sucking on Hoyer's dong: if he's such an excellent QB, then how come he's been cut by almost half a dozen teams? New England, Shittsburgh, Arizona, Cleveland, Houston - all have released him after 1-2 seasons with the team. Why couldn't he make it stick with at least one of those teams?
You have to be honest with yourselves, people. The dude is a career backup at best, and a fucking bum at worst. All of you rave about the good performances he had, like against Cincinnati and Tennessee when he was with the Browns, but your memories are fuzzy when it comes to his shit performances: like when he had 1 touchdown and 8 INT's over four games in the last half of 2014 w/ the Browns, or how he got benched in the 4th quarter of the first game for Houston last year and only got the job back because Mallet got hurt, or how he threw 4 INT's in a playoff game and ended Houston's season last year?
Don't get me wrong, Hoyer genuinely seems like a nice guy, but he is what he is: a career backup who can play for you in a pinch, but he shits the bed constantly when teams depend on him. He cannot carry the responsibility of being a full time starter, and Browns fans are wasting their time with these "what if" scenarios.
What's wrong with being a career backup who can play for you in a pinch? Not bad for an undrafted guy.
Who are these phantom Browns fans with "what if" scenarios?
I have never heard one Browns fan on this board wish we still had Hoyer starting. Not one.
Are you having imaginary arguments in your head ... or did you come from another board where they hold Brian Hoyer in great esteem?
Zombo
Zombo said:
What's wrong with being a career backup who can play for you in a pinch? Not bad for an undrafted guy.
Who are these phantom Browns fans with "what if" scenarios?
I have never heard one Browns fan on this board wish we still had Hoyer starting. Not one.
Are you having imaginary arguments in your head ... or did you come from another board where they hold Brian Hoyer in great esteem?
Zombo
I wish that Hoyer had played for us the same way he did at the beginning of 2014 when the team started 7-4 and challenging for the playoffs. But I don't want the Hoyer that crashed and burned after that.
Does anyone have or has anyone heard a rationale explanation for Hoyer's demise that year?
I have heard: Alex Mack got hurt. His suckage just caught up with him. He was worried more about getting a contract done than wanting to finish the season right. etc. etc.
Does any of this ring true? (or, maybe all of it?)
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The only thing about the old(er) "recycled" QBs is have they finally hit their final expiration date?
Sure finding a "rent a geezer" (no offense to us old dudes) can be a nice temporary solution, like those new funky spare tires you get with cars now, might get you to the garage or tire store but not a long term solution at all.
But then again in Cleveland maybe that's what we're down to, better get a few extras.
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I'd take Derek Anderson or Brian Hoyer over Kessler right now.
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Zombo said:
What's wrong with being a career backup who can play for you in a pinch? Not bad for an undrafted guy.
Who are these phantom Browns fans with "what if" scenarios?
I have never heard one Browns fan on this board wish we still had Hoyer starting. Not one.
Are you having imaginary arguments in your head ... or did you come from another board where they hold Brian Hoyer in great esteem?
Zombo
I wish that Hoyer had played for us the same way he did at the beginning of 2014 when the team started 7-4 and challenging for the playoffs. But I don't want the Hoyer that crashed and burned after that.
Does anyone have or has anyone heard a rationale explanation for Hoyer's demise that year?
I have heard: Alex Mack got hurt. His suckage just caught up with him. He was worried more about getting a contract done than wanting to finish the season right. etc. etc.
Does any of this ring true? (or, maybe all of it?)
I wish that Hoyer had played for us the same way he did at the beginning of 2014 when the team started 7-4 and challenging for the playoffs. But I don't want the Hoyer that crashed and burned after that.
Does anyone have or has anyone heard a rationale explanation for Hoyer's demise that year?
I have heard: Alex Mack got hurt. His suckage just caught up with him. He was worried more about getting a contract done than wanting to finish the season right. etc. etc.
Does any of this ring true? (or, maybe all of it?)
Um where did you hear Mack got hurt? Link?
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I'd take Derek Anderson or Brian Hoyer over Kessler right now.
I'd take Derek Anderson or Brian Hoyer over Kessler right now.
I'd take DA or Hoyer AND Kessler right now, maybe start Kessler for now and see how this goes?
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I'd take Derek Anderson or Brian Hoyer over Kessler right now.
I'd take DA or Hoyer AND Kessler right now, maybe start Kessler for now and see how this goes?
I'd take DA or Hoyer AND Kessler right now, maybe start Kessler for now and see how this go?
Kessler's arm strength doesn't seem like it is NFL material and I'm not of the opinion that will vastly improve with age. You can either spin it or you can't.
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Kessler's arm strength doesn't seem like it is NFL material and I'm not of the opinion that will vastly improve with age. You can either spin it or you can't.
Well we'll see if he can hit Pryor deep that will be super important to open this offense up.
We saw what non-NFL arms can do to a team like Couch for example, can't go deep the defense will stuff you up close.
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