Debate Night!
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and listening to Alison Krause and the Union Station "Live" album.
that gets me really enjoying great, beautiful music, gets me all inspired ...
to compensate for watching the debate later... and getting po'd.
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There's discussion about sex tapes at a presidential debate. America is really in a shallow and shameful place. We'really going to have a painful fall before long.
Honestly, I think we're so far down the rabbit hole now that no one person can save us..
I just take solace in the fact that no matter who wins, at last after 8 long painful years we'll have a president in the white house that actually likes pussy..
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hillary must be stinking up the joint at the debate...
http://heatst.com/politics/fly-in-the-ointment/
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interesting to see this before I watch the debate later...
**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?TRUMP 89.76% (97,513 votes)CLINTON 10.24% (11,120 votes)Total Votes: 108,633 -
I think you have certain glasses on woody, not that I don't but Frank Luntz's focus group overwhelmingly picked Trump as the winner and even CNN losers were talking about how Trump won or at the least Clinton didn't do as well as before
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I was watching a focus group on Fox where most independents that were leaning towards Clinton before the debate said they switched to Trump after this debate. Trump did a great job tonight.
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interesting to see this before I watch the debate later...
**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?TRUMP 89.76% (97,513 votes)CLINTON 10.24% (11,120 votes)Total Votes: 108,633interesting to see this before I watch the debate later...
**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?TRUMP 89.76% (97,513 votes)CLINTON 10.24% (11,120 votes)Total Votes: 108,633You can't actually think this means anything.
If I polled people in Ann Arbor on whether Michigan was better than OSU, and 95% said yes, would you take that as fact?
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I think you have certain glasses on woody, not that I don't but Frank Luntz's focus group overwhelmingly picked Trump as the winner and even CNN losers were talking about how Trump won or at the least Clinton didn't do as well as before
I think you have certain glasses on woody, not that I don't but Frank Luntz's focus group overwhelmingly picked Trump as the winner and even CNN losers were talking about how Trump won or at the least Clinton didn't do as well as before
Whatever glasses you think I have on, I'm pretty confident yours are much stronger.
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Doesn't matter, but the consensus is that Trump won the debate
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Bill Clinton did treat women worse. And Hillary attacked them when they said so. Trump engaged in some dirty language like a lot of guys. I think it was a stroke of Genius to have bills victims sitting in the audience just to remind everybody.
I suppose their supporters will have different ideas as to who won but I don't think he did badly. I'd have answered a few things a bit differently but... And I did notice the moderators telling the crowd to shut up when they were applauding for him but not when they were planning for the hildebeest.
And I was a little creeped out by that shit eating grin she kept on her face most of the time.
WSS
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Bill Clinton did treat women worse. And Hillary attacked them when they said so. Trump engaged in some dirty language like a lot of guys. I think it was a stroke of Genius to have bills victims sitting in the audience just to remind everybody.
I suppose their supporters will have different ideas as to who won but I don't think he did badly. I'd have answered a few things a bit differently but... And I did notice the moderators telling the crowd to shut up when they were applauding for him but not when they were planning for the hildebeest.
And I was a little creeped out by that shit eating grin she kept on her face most of the time.
WSS
And I did notice the moderators telling the crowd to shut up when they were applauding for him but not when they were planning for the hildebeest.
WSS
This is false and I can only imagine the result of selective memory. They definitely said it in regards to both sets of supporters.
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Wrong, Woody. When higgardly late in the debate got in one of her designed "zingers" and got
a significant reaction of laughter from her supporters ? in the crowd, neither moderator said
anything. They stayed silent.
And indeed, they let higgardly go over her time, and didn't interrupt her.
and, both moderators tried to trip Trump up again, more than once, in effect,
arguing with him, and once, insisting he "answer the question".
The trouble is, higgardly often never answered questions, and the mods stayed silent.
It was way too obvious, and I think a lot of Americans are going to see it, and see Trump as the victim of their bias,
and Sanders supporters already have had their fill of Sanders being treated like he isn't going to be treated fairly, in favor
of higgardly.
Trump did great. Higgardly can't defend her record - it is a foul open book, except for the coverups via email deletions,
FBI/Obamao INjustice dept cronies playing ball with them. Higgardly's cheap out as in "well, none of that is true" wore
out early in the debate. I see it as a far bigger win than the last debate. Her platitudes have been worn out, her cred
is non-existent, and she lies - it's common understanding with most voters. What's stunning, is the number of
higgardly supporters who don't care about her being a liar, unethical failure, and a very dangerously vindictive
and arrogant low blow political operative for the left. I'd say Trump helped himself immensely, and higgardly
didn't help herself at all.
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And I did notice the moderators telling the crowd to shut up when they were applauding for him but not when they were planning for the hildebeest.
WSS
This is false and I can only imagine the result of selective memory. They definitely said it in regards to both sets of supporters.
This is false and I can only imagine the result of selective memory. They definitely said it in regards to both sets of supporters.
There's always the possibility my memory could be faulty but I don't think so in this case.
The moderators admonished the crowd not to cheer and scolded the Trump supporters when they did. It occurs to me they are wet the rare applause for Hillary go unchecked.
And Martha Radisson did certainly bicker with Trump but did not bicker with Hillary.
That's not her job. If there are counterpoints to be made that's Hillary's job not the moderators.
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Lol, that is real
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Woody, jrb, your thoughts on my take?
Woody, jrb, your thoughts on my take?
TBH between boarding windows, evacuating, dodging a hurricane, and drinking like a fish for four days I straight up fell asleep at 8 o clock or so. I've found the best source of information for this election has been fivethirtyeight, who I'd defer to the most. This is the same group btw who had the race at a dead heat prior to the 1st debate. Anyway, his reaction is here:
Basically, Hilldawg still "won" the scientific polls albeit by a close margin. Nate concludes it's fair to call the debate a draw, but Trump needed a lot more than a draw to get past this latest gaffe. Also, since I've seen you and others say it-many polls have not taken into account the damage of those comments based when the polls are conducted. As I said before, that was a monumental shot at his chances.
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Trump did what he had to do in that debate. He addressed the 11 year old video but did not let that be the dominant topic of the whole debate. He is a quick learner who has learned to pivot from debate questions that put him on defense and turn the question around on Clinton. I felt he had to score a homerun last night and I give it to him. He put in perspective some "locker room talk" versus actual words and deeds by the Clintons and that there are more important issues to deal with in this election.
Trump was in some real danger here with the spineless RINO defections over the 11 year old video and my guess is that will stop now with his debate performance.
Going into the debate the future looked bleak for Trump IMO...he was up against the well funded Clinton machine, a biased MSM and biased moderators and the icing on the cake were the establishment RINO's jumping ship (who I think some are going to have egg on their face today for being a little too hasty).
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After watching the debate, I just hope that whoever wins is a single-term president. Both of these candidates are garbage.
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