I turned Brown

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I said you win GIp. Goddamn.

Go Browns!

The Gipper

@one-post said:

I said you win GIp. Goddamn.

Go Browns!

There is no winning or losing. This was not a debate, where one opinion or another may prevail or be accepted. This was simply getting facts straight.

Zombo

@one-post said:

I said you win GIp. Goddamn.

Go Browns!

This is his "thing".

Now you know.

It is much more fun when unleashed on a Steeler fan ... or the Holy Grail of elusive trolls ... the Ratbird fan.

Zombo

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Zombo said:

This is his "thing".

Now you know.

It is much more fun when unleashed on a Steeler fan ... or the Holy Grail of elusive trolls ... the Ratbird fan.

Zombo

Lesson learned. Fwiw I hate the Ravens too. Fuck Ray Lewsis and his big mouth and fake religion. He needs to be in prison and Joe Flacco is gay.

The Gipper

Zombo said:

This is his "thing".

Now you know.

It is much more fun when unleashed on a Steeler fan ... or the Holy Grail of elusive trolls ... the Ratbird fan.

Zombo

Unfortunately it seems that about every few months we have to educate people on this....friend or foe.

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@the-gipper said:
Unfortunately it seems that about every few months we have to educate people on this....friend or foe.

You teach me about the Browns and I'll teach you how to break a metphormin 1000mg tablet with one hand. It's quite a feat actually.

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But ya Gip the Browns didn't exist for three seasons. No owner or players yep I'm obtuse.

flyingfooldoug

Zombo said:

This is his "thing".

Now you know.

It is much more fun when unleashed on a Steeler fan ... or the Holy Grail of elusive trolls ... the Ratbird fan.

Zombo

Fwiw, most stool fans are obvious living proof that anal sex can and does result in pregnancy. Flying rat fans are the droppings of stool fans. And they do tend to make it obvious.

Orion

@the-gipper said:

@orion said:

....and look what they went it did to our uni's!

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Baltimore moves to Indy

St. Louis moves to Arizona

Los Angeles moves to St. Louis

Cleveland moves to Baltimore

Browns didn't move to Baltimore

Cleveland gets a new franchise

Baltimore got the new franchise.....again these are the Facts. Sorry if you are clueless about them. (and it would be better to use the name of the teams that did actually move....I don't think the earth shook and Los Angeles ended up in the middle of the country....the Rams franchise did move all those times. The Browns franchise never moved at all, ever.

Los Angeles who moved to St. Louis moves back to Los Angeles

...certainly, in hindsight it looks like total madness.

I used city names for a reason. (you don't get it, I understand that )

And the Browns most certainly DID move to Baltimore. (you must have missed it)

It was later determined that they weren't allowed to keep the nickname of Browns, the colors or tradition.and had to pick new nickname with new colors...because Cleveland was getting a new franchise (with a new plan B expansion draft) and would be using the name Browns with the namesake's past history & tradition.

The Gipper

@one-post said:
You teach me about the Browns and I'll teach you how to break a metphormin 1000mg tablet with one hand. It's quite a feat actually.

When you begin your own Metphormin Board, and if you see me sign up to participate in that, yes you can teach me about it.

The Gipper

@orion said:

I used city names for a reason. (you don't get it, I understand that )

I get it...you were being an ass.

And the Browns most certainly DID move to Baltimore. (you must have missed it)

NO, they didn't. Put some money on it.

It was later determined that they weren't allowed to keep the nickname of Browns, the colors or tradition.and had to pick new nickname with new colors...because Cleveland was getting a new franchise (with a new plan B expansion draft) and would be using the name Browns with the namesake's past history & tradition.

Except...of course, you are dead wrong...and obstinately stupidly so.

The Browns franchise didn't leave Cleveland. It stayed here. The Ravens were the expansion team.

There was an injunction....and the Browns never left. There was settlement...and the Browns never left.

The only people that agree with me are: The Cleveland Browns, The Baltimore Ravens, the National Football League, the city of Cleveland, the county of Cuyahoga, the State of Ohio, the State of Maryland, the City/County of Baltimore.

And who is it that agrees with you?

Crickets.

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It's ok Orion were too obtuse to understand the invisible team that was in Cleveland for three years.

DieHardBrownsFan

Browns left. We got an 'expansion team' called the Browns who have sucked ass since. Who gives a fuck what he says,.

gumby73

@one-post said:
It's ok Orion were too obtuse to understand the invisible team that was in Cleveland for three years.

You may have turned Brown but when the league let Art turn his back on Cleveland, I turned my ass to a job in NC The whole thing was a mess. For starters, look at our whole coaching staff at time of Art's Fart..

hoorta

@one-post said:
It's ok Orion were too obtuse to understand the invisible team that was in Cleveland for three years.

Me and Gip argued with Baltomorons for years over the facts. I got my screen name the Hoorta because of it. You can believe whatever the hell you want to, but it doesn't change the facts one bit. Click on the "in trust" link to find out what that legally means- and don't argue with Gip, he's a lawyer.

You and Orion can disagree with Wiki if you like.

"In 1995, owner Art Modell, who had purchased the Browns in 1961, announced plans to move the team to Baltimore Maryland. After threats of legal action from the city of Cleveland and fans, a compromise was reached in early 1996 that allowed Modell to establish the Baltimore Ravens as a new franchise while retaining the contracts of all Browns personnel. The Browns' intellectual property, including team name, logos, training facility, and history, were kept in trust and the (Browns) franchise was regarded by the NFL as suspended. A new team would be established by 1999 either by expansion or relocation. The Browns were announced as an expansion team in 1998 and resumed play in 1999.^"

^{Or maybe the Pro Football Hall of Fame, the NFL'S official record keeper.}

"Determined to keep the team in Cleveland, Browns fans and Cleveland city officials orchestrated an unprecedented grass-roots campaign to block the move. The NFL quickly responded and, working with city officials, developed a unique solution that not only provided for a new state-of-the-art stadium, but guaranteed the return of pro football to Cleveland by no later than 1999. Additionally, Art Modell agreed to relinquish the "Browns" name, colors and team history to the new owner of the suspended franchise."

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I understand and Gip set me straight. I learned something today. I was just giving him shit. Peace

But however even wiki says they are an expansion team? So Modell leaves then Cleveland is an expansion team with same uni's.

See I thought the Browns moved and then they changed their name. Actually the moved but didn't have the rights to be called the Browns. I also thought Cleveland gets expansion team and called them the Browns because they missed them. Yep Gip was right.

Orion

@hoorta said:
and don't argue with Gip, he's a lawyer.

I don't care who he thinks he is.

The Browns organization moved to Baltimore and we were given an expansion team. But you can believe that technically a tree is a rock if you want.

hoorta

@orion said:

I don't care who he thinks he is.

The Browns organization moved to Baltimore and we were given an expansion team. But you can believe that technically a tree is a rock if you want.

That's exactly what I said- but not an expansion franchise. Baltimore is the expansion franchise. Get it? The organization might have moved, but the Browns franchise did not. It was held in trust until Al Lerner ponied up the bucks to buy the rights to the (original) Browns franchise. That meant all the intellectual property, colors and records.

If you still can't see the difference, look no farther than the Indianapolis Colts. Irsay took everything with him along with the moving vans. That meant the horseshoe logo and Johnny Unitas' records. Modell didn't when he pulled out of town, just the players and front office personnel. Jim Brown's records still belong to Cleveland as well as the orange & brown. You might think that's splitting hairs, but legally there's a world of difference. I can't make it any simpler by using the analogy of a McDonald's Restaurant in Cleveland that sat empty for three years until it was reopened with new employees and management- it was still the same damn store.

flyingfooldoug

@orion said:

I don't care who he thinks he is.

The Browns organization moved to Baltimore and we were given an expansion team. But you can believe that technically a tree is a rock if you want.

What? Never heard of petrified wood?

The Gipper

@one-post said:

I understand and Gip set me straight. I learned something today. I was just giving him shit. Peace

But however even wiki says they are an expansion team? So Modell leaves then Cleveland is an expansion team with same uni's.

See I thought the Browns moved and then they changed their name. Actually the moved but didn't have the rights to be called the Browns. I also thought Cleveland gets expansion team and called them the Browns because they missed them. Yep Gip was right.

Explanation about the "expansion" term. The franchise was NOT an expansion franchise....it was the same franchise. However, in order to replenish the on field personell of the franchise...read "players", the NFL held a "distribution draft" of current NFL players, which was essentially the same process that had been held a number of times for new expansion franchises. So, it wasn't really an "expansion draft" but because it was essentially the same process, the term "expansion draft" was basically applied.

(the one big difference between the Browns "expansion draft" and those of the Jags or Panthers is that the NFL vastly limited the number of players available to the Browns compared to those other teams.