I HATE RAY HORTON

Canton Dawg

I've always despised RH.

Mudfly

cant say Im a Horton fan(cause Im not)....but.....he has the same shit(or worse) that Oneill had.....and NEITHER coach is gonna get gold from this shit....

For the billionth time.....this team lacks TALENT....not coaching.....we are losing because of TALENT, not coaching.....our D sucks because it has no TALENT, not because of coaching.....

BaconHound

@mudfly said:

cant say Im a Horton fan(cause Im not)....but.....he has the same shit(or worse) that Oneill had.....and NEITHER coach is gonna get gold from this shit....

For the billionth time.....this team lacks TALENT....not coaching.....we are losing because of TALENT, not coaching.....our D sucks because it has no TALENT, not because of coaching.....

I don't know why so many think that coaching can overcome a lack of talent. Kirksey has been very good but other than that not much else on the Browns d looks great.

CaineDeSoulis

A bad coach can waste what talent we do have though.... Also horton has always been bad and even if we did have talent we wouldent be able to tell with hortom at the helm

Clevfan4life

I have currently zero issue with the defensive scheme, he isnt asking guys to do what they're clearly not physically capable of. Unfortunately right now at least, they're not physically capable of much period

bbedward

We have no talent on defense, don't really blame the guy much

Clevfan4life

On that long run just now the edge on that side (ogbah)made a cardinal mistske of not reading the seal block that cleared that side for two pulling lineman. Rookies gonna learn

TopDawg31

cant keep using no talent as an excuse all 11 on D collect a paycheck so there is talent. If Horton was worth anything he would bring it out.

Browns149

@topdawg31 said:

cant keep using no talent as an excuse all 11 on D collect a paycheck so there is talent. If Horton was worth anything he would bring it out.

i agree. They are supposed to be getting better. They are not. They got worse today

TopDawg31

I will agree we need to invest heavily in the OL and safeties

Browns149

@topdawg31 said:
I will agree we need to invest heavily in the OL and safeties

and CB

gumby73

This D is a clusterf*ck weekly. not a single CB or S can straight up solo tackle. I have seen enough 2 LB's drop to what zone? Knowing that a TE or RB will drop underneath our LB's for a easy catch..Just not all Talent IMO..559 yrds. who needs a hue presser to make it all Rosie, put Ray out there.. We have all seen this channel..just not THIS BAD..(but, i did like Ogbah's game today, good effort every down, conditioning is growing)

flyingfooldoug

@ghoolie said:
He operates the defense that Hue Jackson instructs him to operate. Hue Jackson is your problem. NOt his coffee fetcher.

Is he not the coffee fetcher for Stosh the Pud? And they fetch coffee for ???

TopDawg31

@ghoolie said:
He operates the defense that Hue Jackson instructs him to operate. Hue Jackson is your problem. NOt his coffee fetcher.

hue does not know defense, it's all on Horton

gernthefish

@topdawg31 said:
his ass needs to be fired

And the rest of him too!

DieHardBrownsFan

Hue won't be fired. He's black.

jrb12711

@ghoolie said:
He operates the defense that Hue Jackson instructs him to operate. Hue Jackson is your problem. NOt his coffee fetcher.

Jesus that is not accurate.

@mudfly said:

cant say Im a Horton fan(cause Im not)....but.....he has the same shit(or worse) that Oneill had.....and NEITHER coach is gonna get gold from this shit....

For the billionth time.....this team lacks TALENT....not coaching.....we are losing because of TALENT, not coaching.....our D sucks because it has no TALENT, not because of coaching.....

Definitely column A, column B scenario. The difference is we've seen Horton before here and he wasn't good the 1st time either. The talent is the bigger problem for sure, but some schemes just leave me baffled. I get the safeties are the weak link of the unit, but how he had them positioned all day was miserable.

But man, watching these guys is like pulling teeth on defense. It's not a scenario where the guys look good but just haven't perhaps put it all together. It's fundamentally bad things where it makes you wonder how they even landed on an NFL roster.

D Bone

@topdawg31 said:
cant keep using no talent as an excuse all 11 on D collect a paycheck so there is talent. If Horton was worth anything he would bring it out.

I'm in this camp too.

Clevfan4life

Of course talent is the issue. Its the issue all over the team. No coach can come in here and get these guys to beat other guys on the field that are demonstrably (for the moment) better than them. If these guys havent been properly developed in a few years than its coaching. But or FO traded down so we dodnt get joey bosa or any of the "ready right fucking now" mother fuckers. I promise you if it had been up to hue or horton we would have taken either one of those cocksucking twinkies or joey babosa. But haslem has structured this franchise such that the coaches arent the final shot callers on draft say. We shall see if this works out or not.

Me personally i like the idea of trading down for more picks if and only if the organization can prove they find later round gems and develop them. If we cant then we have yo take guys lime bosa or mack or watkins when its our pick. Please none of you act like vince lonbardi could come out of his grave and coach this up. Ghoolie is trolling you guys out hard

Clevfan4life

@ghoolie said:
You're a fucking idiot. Who the fuck picks a head coach that doesn't know defense? Fucking moron.

The browns apparently. Defense is clearly hortons show and i think thats how it should be. If it diesnt improve its him that gets fired. Hue is clearly the offense guy and offense has been a somewhat pleasant surprise this year o line excluded