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  • Well if this FO sees Kessler as the guy, then go defensive end and then Oline.

    If not,

    Take Mitch and let em throw the hitch!

  • So I was watching the Washington-Utah game and one of Utah's WR stuck out to me. I'm not sure what his prospects are and, after looking at his stats, I'm assuming he has had some injury troubles but the dude definitely looked the part today. His name is Tim Patrick. I know WR isn't a big need after our draft last year but the dude is 6'5, seemed like a smooth athlete, and made some plays. It might just be the body type but he reminded me of Plaxico Burress.

    With that said, I am by no means a scout and this is the first time I've spent a lot of time watching Utah play so it could be a one off but he seems like an under the radar type to keep an eye on.

    Myles Gaskin, the RB for Washington, killed it today as well but he's only a Sophomore. If he plays like he did today on a consistent basis, I have a feeling he'll be going high next year.

    Oh and if Brile's is still helping out, we need to let him go immediately if only because he raised a son who thinks it's a good idea to run 2 consecutive QB keepers down by 1 with 45 seconds left, starting on your own 20, on the road.

  • http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161027/SPORTS/161029471

    Summing it up Mel Kiper ranks Mitch as the best NCAA qb in the country and TOP QB prospect

    LogicIsForSquaresL gumby73G 2 Replies
  • C CaineDeSoulis

    http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161027/SPORTS/161029471

    Summing it up Mel Kiper ranks Mitch as the best NCAA qb in the country and TOP QB prospect

    @cainedesoulis said:

    http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161027/SPORTS/161029471

    Summing it up Mel Kiper ranks Mitch as the best NCAA qb in the country and TOP QB prospect

    He also thought Jamarcus Russell was the best QB prospect at one point. I will wait to see what is said after the prospects are dissected by every draft expert before jumping for joy over anyone of them.

  • The GipperT The Gipper

    @texasag1969 said:

    So lets look at the draft order. Here's the rules.............http://www.draftsite.com/nfl/rules/

    At the moment we have only two serious candidates in competition (!?) for #1 overall. Bears and 49's have 1 win each. I am going to assume the Panthers with their one win will eliminate themselves because they are too talented not to do so without intentionally losing out. The Bears play the 49's Dec. 4 so one of those two will have two wins and unless a miracle happens with the Browns winning two, that team is eliminated. We play neither of those teams ourselves so that is a wash. So IF, a huge IF, the Browns should tie the other loser of those two with one win each, who has the greatest strength of schedule between us and the other two "competitors"? The rules state "Overall ties are then broken by strength of schedule, which is a calculation of the combined record of all of a team's opponents in that year, with divisional opponents counting twice."

    We all know this is where we are headed this year. There has not been enough improvement in play or game day coaching to think otherwise thus far. And quite frankly without a win over the Jets this weekend, we are the "winners" of the draft order game.

    EDIT: At them moment our division above us is 10-11, 49s 10-8-2 and the Bears 13-6. Since that is the largest factor, we need to root for the 49's to beat the Bears if nothing changes between now and Dec. 4th, even if we beat someone.

    Our division will be shitty. It could be won by a 9-7 team. 10-6 would be a stretch. Balt/Pitt are .500 teams. The Bengals who are probably the most talented are still the Bengals and certain to overachieve.

    Browns will not "win" any strength of schedule battles.

    @the-gipper said:

    Our division will be shitty. It could be won by a 9-7 team. 10-6 would be a stretch. Balt/Pitt are .500 teams. The Bengals who are probably the most talented are still the Bengals and certain to overachieve.

    Browns will not "win" any strength of schedule battles.

    Actually Gip that is exactly how you "win" the strength of schedule battle. The shittier your division the higher you get to pick because you tied with someone for the same # of wins while playing crappier teams.

    So back to my point. Winning today does not move us out of the #1 overall pick. Jets are also a shitty team, so we don't get a lot of credit for the win there either. Make sense? \

    BTW Garrett was in a boot for that injured leg and did not play this week against N.M.St. He has been playing on that bad wheel since the 1st Q of the Arkansas game after a low cheap shot by their 6'10" LOT. This is the second game he did not play in, S.Car. being the other.

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  • C CaineDeSoulis

    http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161027/SPORTS/161029471

    Summing it up Mel Kiper ranks Mitch as the best NCAA qb in the country and TOP QB prospect

    @cainedesoulis said:

    http://www.news-herald.com/article/HR/20161027/SPORTS/161029471

    Summing it up Mel Kiper ranks Mitch as the best NCAA qb in the country and TOP QB prospect

    Gumby Grippe Jr. here in NC. Mitch is proving to be another one hit wonder redshirt jr. Mitch completed 43-44 passes last 2 seasons. He's working behind one of the best OL in the ACC this season. Scouts will most likely prefer a "prove it again season" as a Senior season. But, there is that, Who is Carson Wentz to Mitch. His pre draft evaluation will be full of guys like Kiper. Only my opinion but, I think Mitch should stay to prove he's not like another 1 hit wonder like a guy named Deshawn Watson..

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  • Did any of the QB guru's watch the ND-Miami yesterday? I'd like to hear how Kizer and Kaaya looked.

  • T TexasAg1969

    @the-gipper said:

    Our division will be shitty. It could be won by a 9-7 team. 10-6 would be a stretch. Balt/Pitt are .500 teams. The Bengals who are probably the most talented are still the Bengals and certain to overachieve.

    Browns will not "win" any strength of schedule battles.

    Actually Gip that is exactly how you "win" the strength of schedule battle. The shittier your division the higher you get to pick because you tied with someone for the same # of wins while playing crappier teams.

    So back to my point. Winning today does not move us out of the #1 overall pick. Jets are also a shitty team, so we don't get a lot of credit for the win there either. Make sense? \

    BTW Garrett was in a boot for that injured leg and did not play this week against N.M.St. He has been playing on that bad wheel since the 1st Q of the Arkansas game after a low cheap shot by their 6'10" LOT. This is the second game he did not play in, S.Car. being the other.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Actually Gip that is exactly how you "win" the strength of schedule battle. The shittier your division the higher you get to pick because you tied with someone for the same # of wins while playing crappier teams.

    So back to my point. Winning today does not move us out of the #1 overall pick. Jets are also a shitty team, so we don't get a lot of credit for the win there either. Make sense? \

    BTW Garrett was in a boot for that injured leg and did not play this week against N.M.St. He has been playing on that bad wheel since the 1st Q of the Arkansas game after a low cheap shot by their 6'10" LOT. This is the second game he did not play in, S.Car. being the other.

    OK, I see. If teams are tied for draft positioning, it is actually the team with the "weaker" strength of schedule that will get the higher pick.

    Right now, the AFCN has Pitt/Balt at 4-4, Cinci at 3-4-1. LIke I said, a shitty division....so, yes, the Browns will "lose" any strength of schedule matchup, thus winning any higher draft pick.

  • Oh-oh... Gip's back.

    Here come a couple dozen dead threads back to life... 😉

    Welcome back, Gip...

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
  • Tour2maT Tour2ma

    Oh-oh... Gip's back.

    Here come a couple dozen dead threads back to life... 😉

    Welcome back, Gip...

    @tour2ma said:

    Oh-oh... Gip's back.

    Here come a couple dozen dead threads back to life... 😉

    Welcome back, Gip...

    I don't think this thread will be dead until next May.

  • Watching cutups from Watson right now.

    First impressions - another athletic, capabale armed QB whose eyes aren't the fastest and tends to lock onto his first read. That was just after watching the Auburn game and seeing a front 7 give him some pressure.

  • I think Mitch has the most upside of the QB's currently. I like garrett but the more i watch the more i am reminded of mingo

    jiggins7919J 1 Reply

  • Except I've seen Garrett stack LTs and set the edge...

    QBs? Just starting to look, but no... Watson has not shown me NFL tools as yet.

    "When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196

  • I'm honestly thinking a center is about the only gaping hole on offense. The rest of the guys are capable enough to get the job done when all healthy. I have no idea who we could draft to play there, but I'm guessing there's someone. In fact, maybe a veteran FA would be a better way to go - not having to worry about a very young guy in Kessler making all the calls along with a rookie center. Just a thought.

    Tour2maT 1 Reply

  • Reiter was playing well before blowing out a wheel. So we would at least have decent depth at center if we drafted a kid.

  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    Reiter was playing well before blowing out a wheel. So we would at least have decent depth at center if we drafted a kid.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Reiter was playing well before blowing out a wheel. So we would at least have decent depth at center if we drafted a kid.

    True. And I would dearly love to see Reiter in a full season, because one game isn't enough to judge a player on.

  • One of next year's second-round picks absolutely HAS to be the C to replace Erving. Erving isn't NFL-caliber.

    "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown
  • C CaineDeSoulis

    I think Mitch has the most upside of the QB's currently. I like garrett but the more i watch the more i am reminded of mingo

    @cainedesoulis said:

    I think Mitch has the most upside of the QB's currently. I like garrett but the more i watch the more i am reminded of mingo

    Reminded of Mingo? Eh...I don't see that really. Would you care to elaborate more? Garrett is like 6'5 and 265 (I think), AND he's stout against the run. I will admit that Garrett is NOT having the statistical type of season he wanted, but I'm guessing that's due to injury and other teams preparing for him.

    The only QB I would consider with our first pick is Mitch, and it's NOT even close. I realize he didn't pull it out on Thursday, but I REALLY like his game. And don't undervalue the importance of him WANTING to play for Cleveland. I actually think that carries some level of importance. Additionally, having a QB with the nickname of "Mr. Biscuit" playing in the Dawg Pound...well...that just makes too much sense, right? 😉

    Give me the Biscuit, and nobody gets hurt.

  • jiggins7919J jiggins7919

    @cainedesoulis said:

    I think Mitch has the most upside of the QB's currently. I like garrett but the more i watch the more i am reminded of mingo

    Reminded of Mingo? Eh...I don't see that really. Would you care to elaborate more? Garrett is like 6'5 and 265 (I think), AND he's stout against the run. I will admit that Garrett is NOT having the statistical type of season he wanted, but I'm guessing that's due to injury and other teams preparing for him.

    The only QB I would consider with our first pick is Mitch, and it's NOT even close. I realize he didn't pull it out on Thursday, but I REALLY like his game. And don't undervalue the importance of him WANTING to play for Cleveland. I actually think that carries some level of importance. Additionally, having a QB with the nickname of "Mr. Biscuit" playing in the Dawg Pound...well...that just makes too much sense, right? 😉

    Give me the Biscuit, and nobody gets hurt.

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Reminded of Mingo? Eh...I don't see that really. Would you care to elaborate more? Garrett is like 6'5 and 265 (I think), AND he's stout against the run. I will admit that Garrett is NOT having the statistical type of season he wanted, but I'm guessing that's due to injury and other teams preparing for him.

    The only QB I would consider with our first pick is Mitch, and it's NOT even close. I realize he didn't pull it out on Thursday, but I REALLY like his game. And don't undervalue the importance of him WANTING to play for Cleveland. I actually think that carries some level of importance. Additionally, having a QB with the nickname of "Mr. Biscuit" playing in the Dawg Pound...well...that just makes too much sense, right? 😉

    Give me the Biscuit, and nobody gets hurt.

    Much like Barkevious Mingo, or Scooby Wright, both Browns HoF guys 😉

  • The more I read about the draft, the more I keep reading about the Browns passing on QB with their first pick to select either Garrett or Jonathan Allen. I guess that makes sense, as we all know how bad our defense is.

    I do know that developing a consistent pass rush is our top priority. We can talk about QB all day long, but just watch our defense on 3rd down and you'll know I'm right. How many 3rd and longs do we give up EVERY week? Even when we "blitz", we seldom get home. Having an awful secondary compounds the issue, as someone is almost always open down the field.

    I'd be happy with a bunch of different draft scenarios, but if we did Garrett with first pick and then CB/Safety with the second 1st rounder, I'd be very happy. The more I read about Mitch, the less I feel he's worthy of the overall #1 pick. Especially if that means giving up on a player like Garrett, who is being touted by many as the "once every ten years" type talent. Even if we DO draft Garrett, nothing much matters unless we find a way to keep Collins. He's the key to our entire defense if you ask me. In only his second game, we saw Collins EVERYWHERE. Just wait until he's truly comfortable in our system, AND add someone else the offense has to worry about.

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