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  • tiamat63 tiamat63T Conversation Starter Dedicated Reacting Well Collaborator First Post Posting Machine Week One Done One Month Later One Year In Very Popular
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    tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by
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    Adoree' Jackson or Jourdain Lewis would be what I'd be looking at.

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      Adoree' is the real shit...... Deion like.

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        John Kosko ‏@PFF_JohnKosko Nov 10

        Big deal made about missed tackles for #DawgPoundNFL_Season_2016_CLE.png. Not as bad as it seems: 11.9% MT rate, 13th best in NFL.

        Follow up tweet:

        If it's broken down (by position our Safeties) ... rate: 5th worst at 17.4% MT rate.

        Well.... looks like a draft target is confirmed and a major, general bitch is unfounded... or at least minimized.

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        MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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        @tour2ma said:

        Well.... looks like a draft target is confirmed and a major, general bitch is unfounded... or at least minimized.

        Whew!!.....thank god it was just my imagination.....

        And, here I thought all those missed tackles were real......time for new glasses.....😉

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          RichiswhereR Richiswhere wrote on last edited by
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          Mind was far more blown when it was said we have a top 10 Oline

          "You see the Rams are still thinking that they are playing Tony Dorsett" -Jim Brown 1978
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            @tour2ma said:

            Well.... looks like a draft target is confirmed and a major, general bitch is unfounded... or at least minimized.

            Whew!!.....thank god it was just my imagination.....

            And, here I thought all those missed tackles were real......time for new glasses.....😉

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            Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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            @mudfly said:

            Whew!!.....thank god it was just my imagination.....

            And, here I thought all those missed tackles were real......time for new glasses..... 😉

            I hear ya... I don't know if our ranking says more about the general state of the NFL's "product quality" or us.

            And if we are talking DBs... that King kid for Iowa has always impressed me.

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              Mind Blown.

              Actually it has seemed more "out of position" than missed tackles to me.

              Seems we tackled great Thursday Night. After they had achieved what they set out do. Except those plays that ended in the end zone.

              The Cowboy game, I don't think I've ever seen a defense more out of position. The biggest factor in that is inexperience, not coaching.

              Every week we are playing at least three guys in the secondary who are basically practice squad players. Ogbah, Nassib, and Schoebert are tricked easily. They're rookies.

              We'll get through this. Just chomp down hard for six more games.

              Zombo

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                Mind Blown.

                Actually it has seemed more "out of position" than missed tackles to me.

                Seems we tackled great Thursday Night. After they had achieved what they set out do. Except those plays that ended in the end zone.

                The Cowboy game, I don't think I've ever seen a defense more out of position. The biggest factor in that is inexperience, not coaching.

                Every week we are playing at least three guys in the secondary who are basically practice squad players. Ogbah, Nassib, and Schoebert are tricked easily. They're rookies.

                We'll get through this. Just chomp down hard for six more games.

                Zombo

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                Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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                Zombo said:

                Every week we are playing at least three guys in the secondary who are basically practice squad players. Ogbah, Nassib, and Schoebert are tricked easily. They're rookies.

                We'll get through this. Just chomp down hard for six more games.

                Zombo

                That's what I'm thinking too. Brutal to watch now, but things should be much better next season.

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                  Zombo said:

                  Every week we are playing at least three guys in the secondary who are basically practice squad players. Ogbah, Nassib, and Schoebert are tricked easily. They're rookies.

                  We'll get through this. Just chomp down hard for six more games.

                  Zombo

                  That's what I'm thinking too. Brutal to watch now, but things should be much better next season.

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                  MudflyM Mudfly wrote on last edited by
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                  @bob806 said:

                  Brutal to watch now, but things should be much better next season.

                  Brutal is the word that keeps echoing in my head.....

                  And, yes.....lets push that "things should get better bar" back to next season now....shall we?

                  It's already been at "wait till week one, when we arent so vanilla"......then slid back to "wait a few games and let em gel"......only to fall back a bit further to "let's see where we are closer to mid season....rookies ya know".......then it fell back to "the second half of the season will really tell us something".......and now.....it's "wait till next year"......

                  Hahaha....wait till next year.....now, THATS a new one....!

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                    @bob806 said:

                    Brutal to watch now, but things should be much better next season.

                    Brutal is the word that keeps echoing in my head.....

                    And, yes.....lets push that "things should get better bar" back to next season now....shall we?

                    It's already been at "wait till week one, when we arent so vanilla"......then slid back to "wait a few games and let em gel"......only to fall back a bit further to "let's see where we are closer to mid season....rookies ya know".......then it fell back to "the second half of the season will really tell us something".......and now.....it's "wait till next year"......

                    Hahaha....wait till next year.....now, THATS a new one....!

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                    Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by Tour2ma
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                    @mudfly said:

                    Hahaha....wait till next year.....now, THATS a new one....!

                    Not a new rallying cry... as you well know. But Browns 2016 is undeniably a new approach to a rebuild.

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                      @bob806 said:

                      Brutal to watch now, but things should be much better next season.

                      Brutal is the word that keeps echoing in my head.....

                      And, yes.....lets push that "things should get better bar" back to next season now....shall we?

                      It's already been at "wait till week one, when we arent so vanilla"......then slid back to "wait a few games and let em gel"......only to fall back a bit further to "let's see where we are closer to mid season....rookies ya know".......then it fell back to "the second half of the season will really tell us something".......and now.....it's "wait till next year"......

                      Hahaha....wait till next year.....now, THATS a new one....!

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                      Bob806B Bob806 wrote on last edited by
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                      @mudfly said:

                      Brutal is the word that keeps echoing in my head.....

                      And, yes.....lets push that "things should get better bar" back to next season now....shall we?

                      It's already been at "wait till week one, when we arent so vanilla"......then slid back to "wait a few games and let em gel"......only to fall back a bit further to "let's see where we are closer to mid season....rookies ya know".......then it fell back to "the second half of the season will really tell us something".......and now.....it's "wait till next year"......

                      Hahaha....wait till next year.....now, THATS a new one....!

                      Call me foolish, I don't care, but I do believe it will be better (yes, can't get much worse)....

                      Stand pat in whatever draft order they fall in, and draft the best available at whatever positions they are targeting. My opinion is a shored up secondary and O line gets us close to .500 (not the ultimate goal of course).

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                        miktoxicM miktoxic wrote on last edited by
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                        must be the same people that put together the #s for the imaginary landslide on election day.

                        numbers are numbers.

                        i think fans that aren't blind can see what the fuck is going on (on the field) and nothing is top ten worthy. the glass half full crowd hasn't figured out yet that that's not a brown colored ice cube.

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                          @bob806 said:

                          Brutal to watch now, but things should be much better next season.

                          Brutal is the word that keeps echoing in my head.....

                          And, yes.....lets push that "things should get better bar" back to next season now....shall we?

                          It's already been at "wait till week one, when we arent so vanilla"......then slid back to "wait a few games and let em gel"......only to fall back a bit further to "let's see where we are closer to mid season....rookies ya know".......then it fell back to "the second half of the season will really tell us something".......and now.....it's "wait till next year"......

                          Hahaha....wait till next year.....now, THATS a new one....!

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                          hoortaH hoorta wrote on last edited by
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                          @mudfly said:

                          Brutal is the word that keeps echoing in my head.....

                          And, yes.....lets push that "things should get better bar" back to next season now....shall we?

                          It's already been at "wait till week one, when we arent so vanilla"......then slid back to "wait a few games and let em gel"......only to fall back a bit further to "let's see where we are closer to mid season....rookies ya know".......then it fell back to "the second half of the season will really tell us something".......and now.....it's "wait till next year"......

                          Hahaha....wait till next year.....now, THATS a new one....!

                          Wait till next decade anyone?

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                            Jourdan Lewis and Jabril Peppers are only difference makers in college. Lewis is just too small for NFL WR's, and Peppers has bad ball skills [to date this season: zero pass breakups. To date in his college career: Zero INT's] His best comparison is Deone Buccannon, hybrid LB-S.

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                              Jourdan Lewis and Jabril Peppers are only difference makers in college. Lewis is just too small for NFL WR's, and Peppers has bad ball skills [to date this season: zero pass breakups. To date in his college career: Zero INT's] His best comparison is Deone Buccannon, hybrid LB-S.

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                              tiamat63T tiamat63 wrote on last edited by tiamat63
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                              Jourdan Lewis and Jabril Peppers are only difference makers in college. Lewis is just too small for NFL WR's, and Peppers has bad ball skills [to date this season: zero pass breakups. To date in his college career: Zero INT's] His best comparison is Deone Buccannon, hybrid LB-S.

                              Buccannon was actually a difference maker in college on the defensive side of the ball.

                              I'm beginning to view Lewis as an elite slot prospect, maybe a decent #2. Similar to Buster but with a more physical streak to his game. Obviously everybody from here to Mars knows my stance on Peppers.

                              What I saw of King last night I liked. He looks like one of those compact, hard hitting corners. First player that came to mind in comparison was Hargreves (spell check) from Tampa.

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                                Speaking of things blowing my mind...

                                http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/media-center/videos/Browns-Huddle-Jamie-Collins--Austin-Pasztor/db53a85b-2bf7-4aea-a784-ce5ec9582924

                                Per PFF, from week 4 to the present, Paz is the #1 RT in the NFL. NUMBER ONE. He also grades as the #9 tackle overall.

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                                  John Kosko ‏@PFF_JohnKosko Nov 10

                                  Big deal made about missed tackles for #DawgPoundNFL_Season_2016_CLE.png. Not as bad as it seems: 11.9% MT rate, 13th best in NFL.

                                  Follow up tweet:

                                  If it's broken down (by position our Safeties) ... rate: 5th worst at 17.4% MT rate.

                                  Well.... looks like a draft target is confirmed and a major, general bitch is unfounded... or at least minimized.

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                                  OsirisO Osiris wrote on last edited by
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                                  @tour2ma said:

                                  John Kosko ‏@PFF_JohnKosko Nov 10

                                  Big deal made about missed tackles for #DawgPoundNFL_Season_2016_CLE.png. Not as bad as it seems: 11.9% MT rate, 13th best in NFL.

                                  Follow up tweet:

                                  If it's broken down (by position our Safeties) ... rate: 5th worst at 17.4% MT rate.

                                  Well.... looks like a draft target is confirmed and a major, general bitch is unfounded... or at least minimized.

                                  It seems worse than it is statistically because other teams are consistently abusing our safeties because they suck. I bet if you calculated another statistic, points scored after missed tackles, we'd look like the worst in the league.

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                                    Zombo said:

                                    Every week we are playing at least three guys in the secondary who are basically practice squad players. Ogbah, Nassib, and Schoebert are tricked easily. They're rookies.

                                    We'll get through this. Just chomp down hard for six more games.

                                    Zombo

                                    That's what I'm thinking too. Brutal to watch now, but things should be much better next season.

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                                    DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan wrote on last edited by
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                                    @bob806 said:

                                    That's what I'm thinking too. Brutal to watch now, but things should be much better next season.

                                    Been hearing that bullshit for far too long.

                                    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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                                      @bob806 said:

                                      That's what I'm thinking too. Brutal to watch now, but things should be much better next season.

                                      Been hearing that bullshit for far too long.

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                                      @diehardbrownsfan said:

                                      Been hearing that bullshit for far too long.

                                      Right

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                                        @unsympathetic said:

                                        Jourdan Lewis and Jabril Peppers are only difference makers in college. Lewis is just too small for NFL WR's, and Peppers has bad ball skills [to date this season: zero pass breakups. To date in his college career: Zero INT's] His best comparison is Deone Buccannon, hybrid LB-S.

                                        Buccannon was actually a difference maker in college on the defensive side of the ball.

                                        I'm beginning to view Lewis as an elite slot prospect, maybe a decent #2. Similar to Buster but with a more physical streak to his game. Obviously everybody from here to Mars knows my stance on Peppers.

                                        What I saw of King last night I liked. He looks like one of those compact, hard hitting corners. First player that came to mind in comparison was Hargreves (spell check) from Tampa.

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                                        Tour2maT Tour2ma wrote on last edited by
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                                        @tiamat63 said:

                                        What I saw of King last night I liked. He looks like one of those compact, hard hitting corners. First player that came to mind in comparison was Hargreves (spell check) from Tampa.

                                        As you've probably read... I agree. There is, however, a little "me me me" alarm that King manages to set off when I watch him.. at least this year. I don't remember that in past years.

                                        Not necessarily a disqualifier, but is an alarm.

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                                          My guess is you'll see that in a lot of corners. PFF loves them some King.

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