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  • We've got three 6th rounders left, let's hope they make the most of them. No more David McMillans and Paul Hubbards.

  • S samoth

    We've got three 6th rounders left, let's hope they make the most of them. No more David McMillans and Paul Hubbards.

    @samoth said:

    We've got three 6th rounders left, let's hope they make the most of them. No more David McMillans and Paul Hubbards.

    Hubbard could still pan out. he certainly has the potential and did well enough in college. we shall see.

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    @solon16 said:

    Well we could have gotten a good Center with 36...Machlin better than both ROBO and MASS...imo, also passed on Darius Butler,Alphoso Smith at Corners...Sintim and Barwin at OLB...but Mack is a good pick I would rather have macklin...Luigs from ark and Antoine Calwell could have been #52 picks as well. Centers are important I agree...we already have two in Hadnot, fraley...I'm saying we had MUCH more pressing needs Machlin and alphonso smith would have been better picks IMO!

    Hadnot is not a C, he is a G who happens to be able to play C. Fraley has been getting abused for 2 years by Hampton and Ngata, which is causing Eric to help.

    Who were the good C at 36? Wood went off the board at 28, and if CLE didn't take Mack, both would be gone by 36.

    Masters said:

    Hadnot is not a C, he is a G who happens to be able to play C. Fraley has been getting abused for 2 years by Hampton and Ngata, which is causing Eric to help.

    Who were the good C at 36? Wood went off the board at 28, and if CLE didn't take Mack, both would be gone by 36.

    Max Unger...also at 52 Caldwell...Luigs at 104

  • S Solon16

    Masters said:

    Hadnot is not a C, he is a G who happens to be able to play C. Fraley has been getting abused for 2 years by Hampton and Ngata, which is causing Eric to help.

    Who were the good C at 36? Wood went off the board at 28, and if CLE didn't take Mack, both would be gone by 36.

    Max Unger...also at 52 Caldwell...Luigs at 104

    @solon16 said:

    Max Unger...also at 52 Caldwell...Luigs at 104

    All several steps below the talent level of Mack and Wood.

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  • Unger's not at all a fit for the Browns or the AFC North. I like Caldwell a lot, but he's considered by most people to be a step down from Mack. Luigs struggled at the Senior Bowl and actually looked better playing guard.

    So no...we couldn't have gotten a comparable center at #36.

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    Unger's not at all a fit for the Browns or the AFC North. I like Caldwell a lot, but he's considered by most people to be a step down from Mack. Luigs struggled at the Senior Bowl and actually looked better playing guard.

    So no...we couldn't have gotten a comparable center at #36.

    Aloysius said:

    Unger's not at all a fit for the Browns or the AFC North. I like Caldwell a lot, but he's considered by most people to be a step down from Mack. Luigs struggled at the Senior Bowl and actually looked better playing guard.

    So no...we couldn't have gotten a comparable center at #36.

    So you didn't have Machlin at #19, as a better choice?

  • The thing I like about all our draft picks so far is that they appear to be smart, high character players

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  • mikeyP72 said:

    if they really thought anything of hubbard would they have drafted massaqoui?

    yes.

    they were paper thin, even a hammy woulda been curtains to the WR core. down JJ and donte with Patten as the only experience behind Braylon. (!) it's an 800 million dollar corporation and many viable receivers still take several years to develop.

    i expected kok/man to lay the groundwork for years 3 and 4, when the leash gets really short and we expect them to walk on their own two (or four). this will help them meet those expectations for 2011 and beyond.

  • R ReginaBrownsFan

    The thing I like about all our draft picks so far is that they appear to be smart, high character players

    @reginabrownsfan said:

    The thing I like about all our draft picks so far is that they appear to be smart, high character players

    i like that too RBF. 😎

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    @solon16 said:

    Max Unger...also at 52 Caldwell...Luigs at 104

    All several steps below the talent level of Mack and Wood.

    Masters said:

    All several steps below the talent level of Mack and Wood.

    Several steps? Maybe as many steps as it takes to get from the first floor to the basement.

    If he thinks a center is a center, then I guess a WR is a WR.

  • R ReginaBrownsFan

    The thing I like about all our draft picks so far is that they appear to be smart, high character players

    @reginabrownsfan said:

    The thing I like about all our draft picks so far is that they appear to be smart, high character players

    Agreed. Even though I like the sexy picks, its time to realize this team needs much more than that. I think ManKok is building a good foundation so that when all that's needed is the sexy pick, they can do that comfortably.

  • Mack is the best pick of the bunch, IMO. And I think it's Mangini recreating what he did with Nick Mangold - get your bright, young center that plays and plays well for the length of his rookie deal.

    I've got no problems with that pick, or passing on Maclin to do it.

  • I love the Mack pick and I also liked Maclin. The way I look at it is you can never go wrong with a quality center. This guy is from great genes, smart (Draddy Trophy for Academic Heisman), athletic and bad. He will be the core of this team for years and along with JT help anchor a stud oline.

    I don't think people get how huge this is for our franchise given the division we play in. An absolute no brainer pick to me and after they dropped down it made complete sense to continue the drop once they knew they had their guy.

    Alo and I were talking centers and I absolutely believe that center is one of the key components to a winning football team, and smart ones are even better. To me, this is exciting.

    Is a pig's ass pork?
  • Riffer XR Riffer X

    I love the Mack pick and I also liked Maclin. The way I look at it is you can never go wrong with a quality center. This guy is from great genes, smart (Draddy Trophy for Academic Heisman), athletic and bad. He will be the core of this team for years and along with JT help anchor a stud oline.

    I don't think people get how huge this is for our franchise given the division we play in. An absolute no brainer pick to me and after they dropped down it made complete sense to continue the drop once they knew they had their guy.

    Alo and I were talking centers and I absolutely believe that center is one of the key components to a winning football team, and smart ones are even better. To me, this is exciting.

    @riffer-x said:

    I love the Mack pick and I also liked Maclin. The way I look at it is you can never go wrong with a quality center. This guy is from great genes, smart (Draddy Trophy for Academic Heisman), athletic and bad. He will be the core of this team for years and along with JT help anchor a stud oline.

    I don't think people get how huge this is for our franchise given the division we play in. An absolute no brainer pick to me and after they dropped down it made complete sense to continue the drop once they knew they had their guy.

    Alo and I were talking centers and I absolutely believe that center is one of the key components to a winning football team, and smart ones are even better. To me, this is exciting.

    Great post, Riff.

    What's hilarious to me about Solon's POV (and those who agree with that mindset) is that we talk ceaselessly about wanting to play "Browns football" which supposedly means gritty, tough, bad-ass, cold-weather, knock you off the ball-type football.

    And then some of us want to draft a small, quick WR instead of the big, smart, tough C as our first round pick?

    Please.

    Those of us who ACTUALLY want to see the above type of football SHOULD LOVE THIS FREAKING DRAFT.

    We got big, tough, mature, productive players with our first four picks. All four SHOULD play this year, which is amazing for any draft but especially for us right now.

    Not to mention that getting four top 52 picks is amazing all by itself.

    There's nothing not to like. This is a GREAT step forward for us.

  • You guys are Jack and Knowitall's alternate egos...... I hope Mack starts day 1....machlin would have and been an immediate contributor.

    You can play your little games all you want, take your jabs all you want. i'd have taken Wells or Machlin over a center. It is my opinion...it isn't hillarious...you want gritty badass coldweather football...drafting wells instead of keeping tippy toes around is the answer...again my opinion. if you don't like my opinion...matters not. I been right a hell of a lot more than wrong....peace and have a nice day

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  • S Solon16

    You guys are Jack and Knowitall's alternate egos...... I hope Mack starts day 1....machlin would have and been an immediate contributor.

    You can play your little games all you want, take your jabs all you want. i'd have taken Wells or Machlin over a center. It is my opinion...it isn't hillarious...you want gritty badass coldweather football...drafting wells instead of keeping tippy toes around is the answer...again my opinion. if you don't like my opinion...matters not. I been right a hell of a lot more than wrong....peace and have a nice day

    @solon16 said:

    you want gritty badass coldweather football...

    Can't do that if your center is pushed back into the backfield and your G's can't get up field because they have to help that C. Wells is any other back if DT's and LBs are in the backfield when he gets to the line.

  • Here is the FINAL POST DRAFT Press conference by Mankok:

    CLICK HERE TO START VIDEO

    I'm sticking with Mangini & Amber
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    @solon16 said:

    Well we could have gotten a good Center with 36...Machlin better than both ROBO and MASS...imo, also passed on Darius Butler,Alphoso Smith at Corners...Sintim and Barwin at OLB...but Mack is a good pick I would rather have macklin...Luigs from ark and Antoine Calwell could have been #52 picks as well. Centers are important I agree...we already have two in Hadnot, fraley...I'm saying we had MUCH more pressing needs Machlin and alphonso smith would have been better picks IMO!

    Hadnot is not a C, he is a G who happens to be able to play C. Fraley has been getting abused for 2 years by Hampton and Ngata, which is causing Eric to help.

    Who were the good C at 36? Wood went off the board at 28, and if CLE didn't take Mack, both would be gone by 36.

    Masters said:

    Hadnot is not a C, he is a G who happens to be able to play C. Fraley has been getting abused for 2 years by Hampton and Ngata, which is causing Eric to help.

    Agreed. i loved Fraley, but he was spiraling down pretty fast. Hadnot is simply not very good.

    If we can pencil Mack into the lineup for the next eight years, then we're going to look back and like this draft. Let's hope that is the case.

  • S Solon16

    You guys are Jack and Knowitall's alternate egos...... I hope Mack starts day 1....machlin would have and been an immediate contributor.

    You can play your little games all you want, take your jabs all you want. i'd have taken Wells or Machlin over a center. It is my opinion...it isn't hillarious...you want gritty badass coldweather football...drafting wells instead of keeping tippy toes around is the answer...again my opinion. if you don't like my opinion...matters not. I been right a hell of a lot more than wrong....peace and have a nice day

    @solon16 said:

    I hope Mack starts day 1....machlin would have and been an immediate contributor..

    But would you say Maclin is way above Robiski? Pretty darn close, don't you think?

  • S Solon16

    You guys are Jack and Knowitall's alternate egos...... I hope Mack starts day 1....machlin would have and been an immediate contributor.

    You can play your little games all you want, take your jabs all you want. i'd have taken Wells or Machlin over a center. It is my opinion...it isn't hillarious...you want gritty badass coldweather football...drafting wells instead of keeping tippy toes around is the answer...again my opinion. if you don't like my opinion...matters not. I been right a hell of a lot more than wrong....peace and have a nice day

    @solon16 said:

    You guys are Jack and Knowitall's alternate egos...... I hope Mack starts day 1....machlin would have and been an immediate contributor.

    You can play your little games all you want, take your jabs all you want. i'd have taken Wells or Machlin over a center. It is my opinion...it isn't hillarious...you want gritty badass coldweather football...drafting wells instead of keeping tippy toes around is the answer...again my opinion. if you don't like my opinion...matters not. I been right a hell of a lot more than wrong....peace and have a nice day

    Solon, my bad, man. Sincerely. I didn't mean to attack you personally, I used your name as an example of fans who wanted the splashy guy. Nothing wrong with that idea, just not one I agree with.

    Maclin would have been an immediate contributor but at a deeper position. Same with Wells.

    There just aren't that many starting centers.

    Anyway, your point is valid but I guess my point is: why the love for Maclin and none for Mack? Doesn't make sense to me is all...

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