Draft Talk
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Is it too soon to start forming "camps"?
Never too soon. Camp Allen is taking applications.
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Allen is definitely in my "I'd be perfectly happy with that pick" group. At this time, that group is Garrett, Allen, and Mitch. Go watch the highlights from those three. Yo!
I think my biggest fear regarding the draft us trading out of the number one pick. I can see another team going head over heels for one of those three players and offering up the farm. I don't think I want to trade...regardless of the offer. I think we need the type of player that CAN come with being drafted that high.
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Allen is definitely in my "I'd be perfectly happy with that pick" group. At this time, that group is Garrett, Allen, and Mitch. Go watch the highlights from those three. Yo!
I think my biggest fear regarding the draft us trading out of the number one pick. I can see another team going head over heels for one of those three players and offering up the farm. I don't think I want to trade...regardless of the offer. I think we need the type of player that CAN come with being drafted that high.
Allen is definitely in my "I'd be perfectly happy with that pick" group. At this time, that group is Garrett, Allen, and Mitch. Go watch the highlights from those three. Yo!
I think my biggest fear regarding the draft us trading out of the number one pick. I can see another team going head over heels for one of those three players and offering up the farm. I don't think I want to trade...regardless of the offer. I think we need the type of player that CAN come with being drafted that high.
Given that you'd be happy with any one of those three guys, would you be unhappy if we traded back to #3, picked up whichever one is left, and came out with an extra second round pick, for example?
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Allen is definitely in my "I'd be perfectly happy with that pick" group. At this time, that group is Garrett, Allen, and Mitch. Go watch the highlights from those three. Yo!
I think my biggest fear regarding the draft us trading out of the number one pick. I can see another team going head over heels for one of those three players and offering up the farm. I don't think I want to trade...regardless of the offer. I think we need the type of player that CAN come with being drafted that high.
Given that you'd be happy with any one of those three guys, would you be unhappy if we traded back to #3, picked up whichever one is left, and came out with an extra second round pick, for example?
Given that you'd be happy with any one of those three guys, would you be unhappy if we traded back to #3, picked up whichever one is left, and came out with an extra second round pick, for example?
Or trade up and take two of the top three. We do need playmakers and have the picks to trade up.
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Given that you'd be happy with any one of those three guys, would you be unhappy if we traded back to #3, picked up whichever one is left, and came out with an extra second round pick, for example?
Or trade up and take two of the top three. We do need playmakers and have the picks to trade up.
Or trade up and take two of the top three. We do need playmakers and have the picks to trade up.
No no. We have way too many holes on the roster to think about trading up.
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Or trade up and take two of the top three. We do need playmakers and have the picks to trade up.
No no. We have way too many holes on the roster to think about trading up.
No no. We have way too many holes on the roster to think about trading up.
OK, same old same old.
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Given that you'd be happy with any one of those three guys, would you be unhappy if we traded back to #3, picked up whichever one is left, and came out with an extra second round pick, for example?
Or trade up and take two of the top three. We do need playmakers and have the picks to trade up.
Or trade up and take two of the top three. We do need playmakers and have the picks to trade up.
From mid teens to #3 is going to cost a first round pick and then some.
But moving back to 3 - you or nay?
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So if we were to take playmakers, one O and one D and a couple of decent FAs I bet we win more and sooner.
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It seems as if Hue is not sold on Kessler..
Honestly, the Browns need to cut RGKnee,
Draft Mitch at #1
BPA with their pick from Philly
Go defense and Oline the rest of the way.
Sign a veteran safety like Eric Berry to sure up the secondary
Give Kess the reigns next year and see if he is the guy.
Let Mitch sit for a year even if Kess struggles.
We might only be a 4-6 win team next season. Time will tell.
Drafting quality players and signing quality FAs should be Sashi and DePodesta's top priorities!
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So draft a QB #1 overall, then let the other QB 'see if he's the guy'? What if he's the guy? Then you have a #1 overall pick waiting around doing nothing. Better to draft the best player in the draft, then give Kessler a year to see if he's the guy with a better team around him. If not, then you can look at QBs in 2018.
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Or trade up and take two of the top three. We do need playmakers and have the picks to trade up.
From mid teens to #3 is going to cost a first round pick and then some.
But moving back to 3 - you or nay?
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And you can look at the stupid cowfags and see how they fucked up by using high draft picks on linemen. Once again, best line = best team
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So draft a QB #1 overall, then let the other QB 'see if he's the guy'? What if he's the guy? Then you have a #1 overall pick waiting around doing nothing. Better to draft the best player in the draft, then give Kessler a year to see if he's the guy with a better team around him. If not, then you can look at QBs in 2018.
So draft a QB #1 overall, then let the other QB 'see if he's the guy'? What if he's the guy? Then you have a #1 overall pick waiting around doing nothing. Better to draft the best player in the draft, then give Kessler a year to see if he's the guy with a better team around him. If not, then you can look at QBs in 2018.
Well how can we be so sure?
It may swing in our favor if we bring in Mitch and he impresses the coaching staff.
Why wait until 2018? Cleveland needs to solve this QB mess they have put themselves into.
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And you can look at the stupid cowfags and see how they fucked up by using high draft picks on linemen. Once again, best line = best team
And you can look at the stupid cowfags and see how they fucked up by using high draft picks on linemen. Once again, best line = best team
I'm on board with the middle-out
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I think the O line will get better as they play together as a unit. Cam should end up working the gate at Blossom. They need playmakers tho to win. I don't have the time to watch and follow all the draft eligible players so I won't get into who should be drafted. Pryor can be a playmaker but has no help...ala Cribbs. A badass LB to team with Collins and a Gronk type TE could go a long ways with improving the W L record
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only an idiot is posting football in the early hours of the morning, and...
eh... never mind.
Seriously, I am not impressed with Kizer - his arm is impressive, but overall, he seems to be
a one read qb.
Trubisky, sometimes he scans the entire field, seems to have terrific sense in the pocket,
can improvise on the move, and most of the time - very accurately, even when his footwork
takes him backwards, sideways, etc to avoid a rush.... can get rid of the ball quick...
It's way early, but he may very well be the guy for the Browns. I love the clip of the Pitt game -
they won it on the quarterbacking of Trubisky in the last seconds. Just a whole LOT of great qualities.
Pitt gameonly an idiot is posting football in the early hours of the morning, and...
eh... never mind.
Seriously, I am not impressed with Kizer - his arm is impressive, but overall, he seems to be
a one read qb.
Trubisky, sometimes he scans the entire field, seems to have terrific sense in the pocket,
can improvise on the move, and most of the time - very accurately, even when his footwork
takes him backwards, sideways, etc to avoid a rush.... can get rid of the ball quick...
It's way early, but he may very well be the guy for the Browns. I love the clip of the Pitt game -
they won it on the quarterbacking of Trubisky in the last seconds. Just a whole LOT of great qualities.
Pitt gameQuick release. Strong arm. Accurate long, plus soft touch on shorter passes.
He WILL get a serious look for #1 overall.
Though, guess what....IMO it will be the SF 49ers that will have that pick.
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The more I see of Adoree Jackson the more I like him opposite Joe Haden. At 33 or 45 (or wherever the titans pick) I'm a happy camper.
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only an idiot is posting football in the early hours of the morning, and...
eh... never mind.
Seriously, I am not impressed with Kizer - his arm is impressive, but overall, he seems to be
a one read qb.
Trubisky, sometimes he scans the entire field, seems to have terrific sense in the pocket,
can improvise on the move, and most of the time - very accurately, even when his footwork
takes him backwards, sideways, etc to avoid a rush.... can get rid of the ball quick...
It's way early, but he may very well be the guy for the Browns. I love the clip of the Pitt game -
they won it on the quarterbacking of Trubisky in the last seconds. Just a whole LOT of great qualities.
Pitt gameQuick release. Strong arm. Accurate long, plus soft touch on shorter passes.
He WILL get a serious look for #1 overall.
Though, guess what....IMO it will be the SF 49ers that will have that pick.
Quick release. Strong arm. Accurate long, plus soft touch on shorter passes.
He WILL get a serious look for #1 overall.
Though, guess what....IMO it will be the SF 49ers that will have that pick.
Ah, we have to win a game plus currently our division keeps us in the lead if we tie since ours is 12-14-1 and theirs is stronger at 14-11-2. The tie goes to the one from the weaker division based on division record. So likely we have to win 2 games for it to go to SF. Just not gonna happen.
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Quick release. Strong arm. Accurate long, plus soft touch on shorter passes.
He WILL get a serious look for #1 overall.
Though, guess what....IMO it will be the SF 49ers that will have that pick.
Ah, we have to win a game plus currently our division keeps us in the lead if we tie since ours is 12-14-1 and theirs is stronger at 14-11-2. The tie goes to the one from the weaker division based on division record. So likely we have to win 2 games for it to go to SF. Just not gonna happen.
Ah, we have to win a game plus currently our division keeps us in the lead if we tie since ours is 12-14-1 and theirs is stronger at 14-11-2. The tie goes to the one from the weaker division based on division record. So likely we have to win 2 games for it to go to SF. Just not gonna happen.
I thought it was overall strength of schedule, not just division strength. E.g. the Browns played the Cowboys and Patriots, both of whom have strong win records.....though, I do note that the 49ers did play...and lose to the Cowboys, and they play the Pats this week. So those even out.
Which is it?
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So if we were to take playmakers, one O and one D and a couple of decent FAs I bet we win more and sooner.
So if we were to take playmakers, one O and one D and a couple of decent FAs I bet we win more and sooner.
Won't rule out your trade up or a trade down... It all depends on player evaluations and "the price". However, "win sooner" is fan talk.
What have you heard from Sashi & Co. that says win sooner is in the plan? The plan is to build a sustainably successful team. Part of that sustainability is the accumulation, not the dispersing, of high picks. Sashi spoke in his presser about "staying with the plan" and the dangers of straying from/modifying that plan, that process because short-term returns are not what you'd hoped.
Winning is the ultimate metric, but if Sashi is half the executive I think he is, then there are other, short-term metrics that he is looking to short-term for any mid-course corrections to the process... and they were in the "plan" from the get-go. They are core to the process improvement model.
So draft a QB #1 overall, then let the other QB 'see if he's the guy'? What if he's the guy? Then you have a #1 overall pick waiting around doing nothing. Better to draft the best player in the draft, then give Kessler a year to see if he's the guy with a better team around him. If not, then you can look at QBs in 2018.
I hear you, but...
- Having two "the guys" that you, and other teams, believe in is not the worst situation in the world as you can always trade one of them, e.g. Philly with Wentz/Bradford, the Pats with Brady/Cassel or the Pack with Rodgers/Flynn.
- The longer you wait, the better your record, the more difficult and clostly it is to make that deal to add a QB later.
All that said, you simply cannot wish a QB to be worthy of #1 overall. And that happens way too often with some team... or fan-base.
Some QB always shoots up the board late. Sometimes they are real... sometimes not... sometimes "sort of". All a team can do is be as sure as they can be as to which QB is destined for which fate.
One last thought... and this is with a lot of "work" to do yet... I am not convinced that "the QB" in the 2017 draft will not fall out of the top ten... maybe even the top 20.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196
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