So if horton doesnt work out....
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Interesting point about former Bucks being willing to sign with us. That could help bring a lot more fans home. Other than that, don't really care. I'd rather not fire Horton.
Interesting point about former Bucks being willing to sign with us. That could help bring a lot more fans home. Other than that, don't really care. I'd rather not fire Horton.
agreed,,lets see what he can do with some more play makers on his side of the ball cause god knows we have the picks to bolster the D
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With rumors of Jimbo Fisher jumping to LSU that opens up their DC to new employment... Dave Aranda.
He sure looks the part.
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"IF" he doesn't work out??
We're 0-10 and giving up 30+ points a game.
NEWSFLASH...he's not working out, time get rid of him.
I still don't know how he got a DC job in Cleveland for the 2nd time, when he sucked on his first stint.
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With rumors of Jimbo Fisher jumping to LSU that opens up their DC to new employment... Dave Aranda.
He sure looks the part.
With rumors of Jimbo Fisher jumping to LSU that opens up their DC to new employment... Dave Aranda.
He sure looks the part.
Their coach is already fired. What's Fisher got to do with anything?
Aranda is excellent. Runs a 3-4 too. But they'll probably keep him.
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With rumors of Jimbo Fisher jumping to LSU that opens up their DC to new employment... Dave Aranda.
He sure looks the part.
With rumors of Jimbo Fisher jumping to LSU that opens up their DC to new employment... Dave Aranda.
He sure looks the part.
Why would a guy move from FSU to LSU. FSU, at least since the 70s, has had the superior program...and their recruiting bases are equal if FSU is not better, and certainly FSU match LSU in money? No?
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With rumors of Jimbo Fisher jumping to LSU that opens up their DC to new employment... Dave Aranda.
He sure looks the part.
Why would a guy move from FSU to LSU. FSU, at least since the 70s, has had the superior program...and their recruiting bases are equal if FSU is not better, and certainly FSU match LSU in money? No?
Why would a guy move from FSU to LSU. FSU, at least since the 70s, has had the superior program...and their recruiting bases are equal if FSU is not better, and certainly FSU match LSU in money? No?
Because the SEC is a step above the ACC and Fisher has a history with LSU.
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Why would a guy move from FSU to LSU. FSU, at least since the 70s, has had the superior program...and their recruiting bases are equal if FSU is not better, and certainly FSU match LSU in money? No?
Because the SEC is a step above the ACC and Fisher has a history with LSU.
Because the SEC is a step above the ACC and Fisher has a history with LSU.
The ACC has had a better record vs. the SEC head to head like the last 3 years. So that premise may be faulty. As for history....well, if that his "home" so be it. That is why OSU has Meyer.
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Their coach is already fired. What's Fisher got to do with anything?
Aranda is excellent. Runs a 3-4 too. But they'll probably keep him.
Because an interim HC is stuck with a staff and the long-term replacement tends to bring in his own people? Not every time, e.g. Urban keeping Fickel, but much more often than not.
Fisher is widely rumored to be on LSU's short list. It's been in all the papers...
Why would a guy move from FSU to LSU. FSU, at least since the 70s, has had the superior program...and their recruiting bases are equal if FSU is not better, and certainly FSU match LSU in money? No?
Besides just to confuse me? Logic mentioned 2 reasons...
Florida is more fertile recruiting territory, but LSU goes there... and also reaches into Texas. It's more a consideration of the stage/launching pad to the National Championship and the SEC has it over the ACC on that count.
The downside? BAMA... But Jimbo was at LSU as OC/QB Coach when Saban was HC there. So he knows Saban and likely would not only relish the chance to beat his old HC, but know how to do it.
LSU has spent years looking for a QB... ever since JaMarcus left. If they'd had one, then they'd have challenged for the title more than once during that period. Look what they did with Mettenberger. Les never got a blue chipper to come to LSU. Jimbo won't have that problem.
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Their coach is already fired. What's Fisher got to do with anything?
Aranda is excellent. Runs a 3-4 too. But they'll probably keep him.
Because an interim HC is stuck with a staff and the long-term replacement tends to bring in his own people? Not every time, e.g. Urban keeping Fickel, but much more often than not.
Fisher is widely rumored to be on LSU's short list. It's been in all the papers...
Why would a guy move from FSU to LSU. FSU, at least since the 70s, has had the superior program...and their recruiting bases are equal if FSU is not better, and certainly FSU match LSU in money? No?
Besides just to confuse me? Logic mentioned 2 reasons...
Florida is more fertile recruiting territory, but LSU goes there... and also reaches into Texas. It's more a consideration of the stage/launching pad to the National Championship and the SEC has it over the ACC on that count.
The downside? BAMA... But Jimbo was at LSU as OC/QB Coach when Saban was HC there. So he knows Saban and likely would not only relish the chance to beat his old HC, but know how to do it.
LSU has spent years looking for a QB... ever since JaMarcus left. If they'd had one, then they'd have challenged for the title more than once during that period. Look what they did with Mettenberger. Les never got a blue chipper to come to LSU. Jimbo won't have that problem.
Because an interim HC is stuck with a staff and the long-term replacement tends to bring in his own people? Not every time, e.g. Urban keeping Fickel, but much more often than not.
Fisher is widely rumored to be on LSU's short list. It's been in all the papers...
Besides just to confuse me? Logic mentioned 2 reasons...
Florida is more fertile recruiting territory, but LSU goes there... and also reaches into Texas. It's more a consideration of the stage/launching pad to the National Championship and the SEC has it over the ACC on that count.
I am not so certain of that...and fyi, the CFP committee has repeatedly said that it does NOT look at conferences, it looks at schools.
If FSU were good enough to win the ACC...go undefeated or have one loss, they WILL get into the College Football Playoffs.
ACC Clemson had their chance last year.
And, in fact, it may even be easier in the ACC at this point. Why? BEcause of what you state here:
The downside? BAMA... But Jimbo was at LSU as OC/QB Coach when Saban was HC there. So he knows Saban and likely would not only relish the chance to beat his old HC, but know how to do it.
He needs to be in a conference he has a chance of winning. He may not have great chances going up vs. Bama in the same division.
In my mind....better to meet them in the national title game than to meet them in a regular season SECW game.
LSU has spent years looking for a QB... ever since JaMarcus left. If they'd had one, then they'd have challenged for the title more than once during that period. Look what they did with Mettenberger. Les never got a blue chipper to come to LSU. Jimbo won't have that problem.
Why not? What does he got that Miles or others ain't got?
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Well, i for one would welcome fickell. Or anyone that runs a 4-3 really.
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Here is the thing, the Titans don't have a great defense, they don't have any real stars that come to mind, but he was doing a fine job there. He wasn't shocking the world, but he set up a solid NFL defense in the few years he worked as a DC there. With the Browns he got 1 year, and now with the Browns again, basically with an entirely new cast of players other than Haden, people are saying he should only have 1 year. From what I gathered he runs one of the most complicated defenses in the league and he has about 7 starters with 1 year or less of full time starting experience starting on that defense. I mean look at this.
0 Full seasons of starting experience:
Nassib DE
Ogbag DE/OLB
Meder DE (past rotational player)
Taylor CB (like 9 full starts before season)
Kirksey MLB (Two years of rotational experience)
Cambell SS (Rotaional/Special Teams Experience)
Howard FS
Those are starters on are defense. Some of them have shown good potential. Kirksey has been playing damn well, along with Shelton who only has one full season or starting experience. I'd love to see the defense do better, but I'm not surprised and I'd prefer to see what the defense looks like last year.
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Here is the thing, the Titans don't have a great defense, they don't have any real stars that come to mind, but he was doing a fine job there. He wasn't shocking the world, but he set up a solid NFL defense in the few years he worked as a DC there. With the Browns he got 1 year, and now with the Browns again, basically with an entirely new cast of players other than Haden, people are saying he should only have 1 year. From what I gathered he runs one of the most complicated defenses in the league and he has about 7 starters with 1 year or less of full time starting experience starting on that defense. I mean look at this.
0 Full seasons of starting experience:
Nassib DE
Ogbag DE/OLB
Meder DE (past rotational player)
Taylor CB (like 9 full starts before season)
Kirksey MLB (Two years of rotational experience)
Cambell SS (Rotaional/Special Teams Experience)
Howard FS
Those are starters on are defense. Some of them have shown good potential. Kirksey has been playing damn well, along with Shelton who only has one full season or starting experience. I'd love to see the defense do better, but I'm not surprised and I'd prefer to see what the defense looks like last year.
Here is the thing, the Titans don't have a great defense, they don't have any real stars that come to mind, but he was doing a fine job there. He wasn't shocking the world, but he set up a solid NFL defense in the few years he worked as a DC there. With the Browns he got 1 year, and now with the Browns again, basically with an entirely new cast of players other than Haden, people are saying he should only have 1 year. From what I gathered he runs one of the most complicated defenses in the league and he has about 7 starters with 1 year or less of full time starting experience starting on that defense. I mean look at this.
I'd love to see the defense do better, but I'm not surprised and I'd prefer to see what the defense looks like last year.
one name in Tenn.-- DC now is Dick LeBeau..Took over Horton's same talent on D as Horton did Jim O'Neil's here. Horton now looks worse in both spots. M. Mularkey was a TE & coached with Wyche & Cower & understood a OL with Conklin only works for a guy like Murray. Who says you can't take your QB 1st than build around it..We need a GM with a true vision that can see building it right & not taking 2 DE's that don't fit a 3-4. Don't Draft a C? but than take 5 WR"s with DeValve that none of them can get open in 8 yard dink routes.. 0-10 Rant Over
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Their coach is already fired. What's Fisher got to do with anything?
Aranda is excellent. Runs a 3-4 too. But they'll probably keep him.
Because an interim HC is stuck with a staff and the long-term replacement tends to bring in his own people? Not every time, e.g. Urban keeping Fickel, but much more often than not.
Fisher is widely rumored to be on LSU's short list. It's been in all the papers...
Why would a guy move from FSU to LSU. FSU, at least since the 70s, has had the superior program...and their recruiting bases are equal if FSU is not better, and certainly FSU match LSU in money? No?
Besides just to confuse me? Logic mentioned 2 reasons...
Florida is more fertile recruiting territory, but LSU goes there... and also reaches into Texas. It's more a consideration of the stage/launching pad to the National Championship and the SEC has it over the ACC on that count.
The downside? BAMA... But Jimbo was at LSU as OC/QB Coach when Saban was HC there. So he knows Saban and likely would not only relish the chance to beat his old HC, but know how to do it.
LSU has spent years looking for a QB... ever since JaMarcus left. If they'd had one, then they'd have challenged for the title more than once during that period. Look what they did with Mettenberger. Les never got a blue chipper to come to LSU. Jimbo won't have that problem.
Because an interim HC is stuck with a staff and the long-term replacement tends to bring in his own people? Not every time, e.g. Urban keeping Fickel, but much more often than not.
Fisher is widely rumored to be on LSU's short list. It's been in all the papers...
Besides just to confuse me? Logic mentioned 2 reasons...
Florida is more fertile recruiting territory, but LSU goes there... and also reaches into Texas. It's more a consideration of the stage/launching pad to the National Championship and the SEC has it over the ACC on that count.
The downside? BAMA... But Jimbo was at LSU as OC/QB Coach when Saban was HC there. So he knows Saban and likely would not only relish the chance to beat his old HC, but know how to do it.
LSU has spent years looking for a QB... ever since JaMarcus left. If they'd had one, then they'd have challenged for the title more than once during that period. Look what they did with Mettenberger. Les never got a blue chipper to come to LSU. Jimbo won't have that problem.
I know, but that would be true whether they hired Fisher or anyone else. That's why I was confused.
Btw, Les got many blue chip QBs to come to LSU. He just couldn't develop them worth a dang.
I think if Jimbo is gonna leave, it'll be to Tuscaloosa after Saban leaves. He knows and follows Saban's system as well as anyone. They'll like the continuity.
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Because the SEC is a step above the ACC and Fisher has a history with LSU.
The ACC has had a better record vs. the SEC head to head like the last 3 years. So that premise may be faulty. As for history....well, if that his "home" so be it. That is why OSU has Meyer.
The ACC has had a better record vs. the SEC head to head like the last 3 years. So that premise may be faulty. As for history....well, if that his "home" so be it. That is why OSU has Meyer.
I thought I already disabused you of this false talking point? The ACC was better in 2014. That was the only time in many many years. Stop lying to yourself.
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The ACC has had a better record vs. the SEC head to head like the last 3 years. So that premise may be faulty. As for history....well, if that his "home" so be it. That is why OSU has Meyer.
I thought I already disabused you of this false talking point? The ACC was better in 2014. That was the only time in many many years. Stop lying to yourself.
I thought I already disabused you of this false talking point?
Can't be done..
Btw, Les got many blue chip QBs to come to LSU. He just couldn't develop them worth a dang.
I think if Jimbo is gonna leave, it'll be to Tuscaloosa after Saban leaves. He knows and follows Saban's system as well as anyone. They'll like the continuity.
Powder blue at best...
But ponder this... The best way to the BAMA job is being a thorn in Saban's and BAMA's side. Can't do that from FSU. Guaranteed the chance to do that from LSU.
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And the highly likely probability you never beat them and become an afterthought.
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And the highly likely probability you never beat them and become an afterthought.
So it comes down to if the coach is confident he can put out a team at least on par with alabama, given time and resources - and any coach worth having will back himself to do that. Probably incorrectly.
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And the highly likely probability you never beat them and become an afterthought.
So it comes down to if the coach is confident he can put out a team at least on par with alabama, given time and resources - and any coach worth having will back himself to do that. Probably incorrectly.
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The ACC has had a better record vs. the SEC head to head like the last 3 years. So that premise may be faulty. As for history....well, if that his "home" so be it. That is why OSU has Meyer.
I thought I already disabused you of this false talking point? The ACC was better in 2014. That was the only time in many many years. Stop lying to yourself.
I thought I already disabused you of this false talking point? The ACC was better in 2014. That was the only time in many many years. Stop lying to yourself.
I think, after the Bowl games the SEC did come out ahead in 2015. Here is what I found at one point through this season:
SEC vs. ACC
W L T Win % PFPG PAPG
2016 2 3 0 40.0 26.4 30.0
2015 6 4 0 60.0 27.0 26.5
2014 3 5 0 37.5 30.0 29.8
Some other games may have been played since the ACC had that 3-2 advantage.
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