Sashi's Real Plan (supposedly)

Tour2ma

Sports hernia?

Orion

@tour2ma said:
Sports hernia?

My only sport now is golf. Groinal. surgeon consultation next week. Golf tomorrow morning though...

D Bone

Nothing good comes after the word Groinal

miktoxic

@d-bone said:
Nothing good comes after the word Groinal

unless the word is maximus.

BaconHound

Sashi in over his head.

hoorta

@londonbrown said:

Find it bizarre that people honestly think the likes of Podesta and Sashi are stupid enough to have walked in and thought let's just do the same as baseball.

Everything you've thought of they've thought of and a lot more. They're not idiots. The total opposite.

Stoidi's. That's idiots spelled backwards.

@baconhound said:
Sashi in over his head.

But- but- he went to Harvard- he must be really smart. When it comes to Harvard- money talks. My former bosses' kid, National Merit Scholar- decided not to apply, because it would cost $500 bucks just to hear Harvard say "you're not good enough". OTOH, the other guy's kid gets in because dad donated a couple million to Harvard's bloated endowment fund.

Zombo

@stillmotion said:

But they're not genius' either.....

Actually they probably are. Harvard attorney who rose to the head of a major sports franchise by age 40 and nerd who rewrote Baseball analysis.

This sucks. But it's not about this year.

Let's hope Philly gets back on that losing track, so the draft currency grows.

Z

TexasAg1969

Zombo said:

Actually they probably are. Harvard attorney who rose to the head of a major sports franchise by age 40 and nerd who rewrote Baseball analysis.

This sucks. But it's not about this year.

Let's hope Philly gets back on that losing track, so the draft currency grows.

Z

They have Seahawks, Cowboys and Cincy still yet to play.

Unsympathetic

@baconhound said:
Sashi in over his head.

Nope. He knew exactly where he was, and what he got himself into. I think you may have confused the Browns with a team containing NFL-level talent.

miktoxic

@unsympathetic said:
Nope. He knew exactly where he was, and what he got himself into. I think you may have confused the Browns with a team containing NFL-level talent.

But isn't he now in charge of drafting and signing talent? I know we all knew this team was gonna stink either purposefully or not BUT given the extraordinary # of picks he had last year and to see not one blue-chipper on the roster is disturbing.

Tour2ma

@texasag1969 said:

They have Seahawks, Cowboys and Cincy still yet to play.

Cakewalk...

@miktoxic said:
But isn't he now in charge of drafting and signing talent? I know we all knew this team was gonna stink either purposefully or not BUT given the extraordinary # of picks he had last year and to see not one blue-chipper on the roster is disturbing.

No, he's not. At least not as I understand his role.

In assessing talent:

He has the final say, if necessary, but his primary job is to facilitate consensus between the scouts and the analytics boys. When they can't agree he makes the call based upon the best argument he hears. And odds are that call is to pass on the player being debated.

In negotiating:

Much bigger role, but again the worth of the player, be it his place on the big board or size of a contract offer, will come out of the assessment process.

miktoxic

So he's just there to give advice based on his numbers/analytics?

I thought he was the GM?

flyingfooldoug

@miktoxic said:

So he's just there to give advice based on his numbers/analytics?

I thought he was the GM?

Jimmy, Dee Dee, Stosh and Depo are the GM. Kinda like a 4 headed ?

TexasAg1969

@flyingfooldoug said:
Jimmy, Dee Dee, Stosh and Depo are the GM. Kinda like a 4 headed ?

An "Aha!" moment!! That explains the 4 WR draft!!

flyingfooldoug

@texasag1969 said:
An "Aha!" moment!! That explains the 4 WR draft!!

Didn't think of that one. Makes sense in a strange way.

Tour2ma

@miktoxic said:
So he's just there to give advice based on his numbers/analytics? I thought he was the GM?

No and no... and again all that follows is per my understanding going back to the announcement of our new FO organization.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/front-office.html

Sashi is the "Executive Vice President, Football Operations". Functionally he is the "GM" for contracts, but he's not a talent evaluator in the mold of a traditional GM who rises through the scouting organization.

He is there to:

hear arguments of analytics, scouting and coaching staff;
drive consensus when necessary, but...
weigh the arguments and decide when it becomes clear that consensus cannot be reached.

In short... he is there to blend the three views presented to him by facilitation to consensus where possible, but by decision where necessary.

I'd expect the process is the same, albeit involving different departments with different weightings, depending on whether the decision is about:

determining needs - staff, analytics and pro scouting
rating draft prospects - college scouting, analytics and staff
rating FA prospects - pro scouting, analytics and staff
determining each prospect's value - analytics with our "cap guru"... who is likely in the Player Personnel department.

Order of the above departments is my guesstimate of their relative "weight". I would not be surprised if their order is shuffled based upon feedback of decisions made... actually I would be surprised if it were not.

I would also expect that the process is not only for the current and upcoming season, but also out 2 or 3 years. Certainly with less emphasis (and certainty) in the out years, but time should be spent on underclassmen (especially those that might declare) and vets hitting FA including our own.

I would not be surprised if the majority of the time all departments are generally in agreement on a given need or prospect, i.e., "consensus" is there from the start. But when they are not... it's on Sashi to either build a consensus or make the call. If the disagreement is great enough, then I think his default decision would be to take a pass. Exceptions might be distributed evenly to the various departments effectively throwing each "a bone" if the downside cost is not too great, e.g., drafting a dark-horse QB with a 3rd round compensatory pick. At least split-decision bones create data for the feedback loop.

Output of the processes would obviously include our draft board and FA plan, both after multiple passes thru the process, but a player budget proposal and expected W/L impact to take to Jimmah are also required. Certainly Sashi&Co.has an idea going in of what the preliminary player budget is, but Jimmah has to approve the final budget.

After all.. it is a business... and the above is a business process. Is it precisely the business process we are employing? Nah... just an educated guess having spent most of my last ten working years studying and building such processes.

There will be a quiz later...

flyingfooldoug

So in effect, there is no one person to evaluate a player that can tell the difference between good college players and good pro players. Or is that up to the Haslam's? It does seem like we're missing a draft guru type guy. I don't agree with this GM by committee at all. Sure it's good to have a variety of input but you still need The Man to override when needed. Or, we have 4 GMs and not one has any eyeballs on talent evaluation experience.

tiamat63

@flyingfooldoug said:
So in effect, there is no one person to evaluate a player that can tell the difference between good college players and good pro players. Or is that up to the Haslam's? It does seem like we're missing a draft guru type guy. I don't agree with this GM by committee at all. Sure it's good to have a variety of input but you still need The Man to override when needed. Or, we have 4 GMs and not one has any eyeballs on talent evaluation experience.

I think the structure is that everyone sticks to what they do best.

Sashi and co work with the grades/numbers/analytics. Then they assign the scouting staff to determine how those grades we're earned and to look beyond them.

As for who pulls the trigger? Couldn't tell you.

flyingfooldoug

@tiamat63 said:

I think the structure is that everyone sticks to what they do best.

Sashi and co work with the grades/numbers/analytics. Then they assign the scouting staff to determine how those grades we're earned and to look beyond them.

As for who pulls the trigger? Couldn't tell you.

Yes, I get it about the input. So they are just going with scouting reports and number crunching without some sort of eyes on talent evaluation guru.

As far as having the trigger, Hasslam!

Tour2ma

I'm sure Haslam is presented with big ticket FA outlays, bit more as a formality as with RG3. As I understand Sashi&Co. went to Jimmah with a proposal and he heard them and blessed their pursuit with a "Let's go get him." Only right as after all, it is his money...

Otherwise I really believe it's a consensus driven process between scouting and analytics.

If all agree fully positively on a player... "Great! Go get him!"
If all can "live with" (pretty much the definition of "consensus") a player... "Good, get him if you can."
If org is split on a player... discuss and discuss some more... but if in the end no consensus is reached... "Let's pass."
If all agree fully negatively... "Pass!"

Only other scenario I can see is in the case of a split. If one side's case strikes Sashi as being far more persuasive than the other's case, then he might go with the stronger case's position. But I would expect this to be both rare and, in the long run, balanced.