Draft Talk
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Spent many, not all, but many, snaps focused on Elfein yesterday because of the buzz here about him.
The good:
- at 6'3 and 300 kid looks to have an exceptionally strong core;
- clean snapper and gets off quickly with pop and great leg drive;
- takes great angles, many of which were begged to be taken by MSU's 4-man look, many of which were set up by initial double-team;
- moves well, if a bit choppy, so is capable of pulling and turning corner;
- alert and quick to react in PassPro with his feet;
- polished posture with nice knee-bend and "seat"; and
- can anchor even if initially knocked back a yard... or two.
The other:
- blocks old school vs. DTs, i.e., with shoulders and forearms, depending on drive for "control";
- uses hands on 2nd and 3rd level D, mostly keeping them inside, but not always (called for one hold IIRC).
Summary:
Very good prospect... maybe even great. To elevate conclusively I need to see:
- Response to bigger, stronger NT/DT playing heads-up on him making him find/create angles;
- Response to above who can hand fight and/or swim his old school efforts, i.e., does he have the upper body/hands to fight back?;
- Results when pulls to trap and not turn up field; and
- Ability to chip DT to aid OG before releasing to 2nd level.
I look forward to more tape time.
Spent many, not all, but many, snaps focused on Elfein yesterday because of the buzz here about him.
The good:
- at 6'3 and 300 kid looks to have an exceptionally strong core;
- clean snapper and gets off quickly with pop and great leg drive;
- takes great angles, many of which were begged to be taken by MSU's 4-man look, many of which were set up by initial double-team;
- moves well, if a bit choppy, so is capable of pulling and turning corner;
- alert and quick to react in PassPro with his feet;
- polished posture with nice knee-bend and "seat"; and
- can anchor even if initially knocked back a yard... or two.
The other:
- blocks old school vs. DTs, i.e., with shoulders and forearms, depending on drive for "control";
- uses hands on 2nd and 3rd level D, mostly keeping them inside, but not always (called for one hold IIRC).
Summary:
Very good prospect... maybe even great. To elevate conclusively I need to see:
- Response to bigger, stronger NT/DT playing heads-up on him making him find/create angles;
- Response to above who can hand fight and/or swim his old school efforts, i.e., does he have the upper body/hands to fight back?;
- Results when pulls to trap and not turn up field; and
- Ability to chip DT to aid OG before releasing to 2nd level.
I look forward to more tape time.
His snap command early on in the season worried me. I'm not enough of a homer to over look that. I presume you've seen better control as the season has progressed?
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Right now allen is my choice for pass rusher if thats what we go for with the top pick. Then maybe we can finally say good bye to the 3-4 except as sub package
You like 295ers in the 4-3? The only move Allen has that would work on the edge is the bull rush. And that is unlikely to work in the NFL in 1.5 seconds like it does for him now. If you made him your DE in a 4-3, we'd be sitting here in a year continuing to lament the fact that all our DEs and LBs are "specialty guys." If you're going with J. Allen, stick him at DE, and figure out once and for all whether Ogbah is an OLB or DE. Stop switching him.
You like 295ers in the 4-3? The only move Allen has that would work on the edge is the bull rush. And that is unlikely to work in the NFL in 1.5 seconds like it does for him now. If you made him your DE in a 4-3, we'd be sitting here in a year continuing to lament the fact that all our DEs and LBs are "specialty guys." If you're going with J. Allen, stick him at DE, and figure out once and for all whether Ogbah is an OLB or DE. Stop switching him.
Yes i do like big strong athletic DE's. You ever seen jj watt come off the edge from the wide 9? If hebdoesnt bull he takes the tackles outside shoulder, leaves little room to step up. And those big dudes hold the edge way better.
As far as allen goes he seems to have a good rip and a good swim. He would use the bull to open up the power edge moves. Im mot sold yet on allen but i see more potential in him than garrett. Garrett reminds me too muchnif clowney, those pretty finesse moves dontbtranslate to the nfl unless you have power to set them up
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You like 295ers in the 4-3? The only move Allen has that would work on the edge is the bull rush. And that is unlikely to work in the NFL in 1.5 seconds like it does for him now. If you made him your DE in a 4-3, we'd be sitting here in a year continuing to lament the fact that all our DEs and LBs are "specialty guys." If you're going with J. Allen, stick him at DE, and figure out once and for all whether Ogbah is an OLB or DE. Stop switching him.
Yes i do like big strong athletic DE's. You ever seen jj watt come off the edge from the wide 9? If hebdoesnt bull he takes the tackles outside shoulder, leaves little room to step up. And those big dudes hold the edge way better.
As far as allen goes he seems to have a good rip and a good swim. He would use the bull to open up the power edge moves. Im mot sold yet on allen but i see more potential in him than garrett. Garrett reminds me too muchnif clowney, those pretty finesse moves dontbtranslate to the nfl unless you have power to set them up
JJ is an exception for his size as he is a freak combination of speed and strength.Yes i do like big strong athletic DE's. You ever seen jj watt come off the edge from the wide 9? If hebdoesnt bull he takes the tackles outside shoulder, leaves little room to step up. And those big dudes hold the edge way better.
As far as allen goes he seems to have a good rip and a good swim. He would use the bull to open up the power edge moves. Im mot sold yet on allen but i see more potential in him than garrett. Garrett reminds me too muchnif clowney, those pretty finesse moves dontbtranslate to the nfl unless you have power to set them up
Allen's game isn't like Watts. But like JJ, Allen can play wide or 5 in early downs kicking inside in the nickel.
Also Clowney has literally no 'finese' to him. He was raw in his hand usage and counter moves. All he had was rare athletic ability and long arms with a good ability to generate power on a bullrush.
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JJ is an exception for his size as he is a freak combination of speed and strength.Yes i do like big strong athletic DE's. You ever seen jj watt come off the edge from the wide 9? If hebdoesnt bull he takes the tackles outside shoulder, leaves little room to step up. And those big dudes hold the edge way better.
As far as allen goes he seems to have a good rip and a good swim. He would use the bull to open up the power edge moves. Im mot sold yet on allen but i see more potential in him than garrett. Garrett reminds me too muchnif clowney, those pretty finesse moves dontbtranslate to the nfl unless you have power to set them up
Allen's game isn't like Watts. But like JJ, Allen can play wide or 5 in early downs kicking inside in the nickel.
Also Clowney has literally no 'finese' to him. He was raw in his hand usage and counter moves. All he had was rare athletic ability and long arms with a good ability to generate power on a bullrush.
In college? Dude clowneys best tape is when ghosted around OL. They wouldnt get a hand on him. That and his speed is what had scouts salivatingJJ is an exception for his size as he is a freak combination of speed and strength.
Allen's game isn't like Watts. But like JJ, Allen can play wide or 5 in early downs kicking inside in the nickel.
Also Clowney has literally no 'finese' to him. He was raw in his hand usage and counter moves. All he had was rare athletic ability and long arms with a good ability to generate power on a bullrush.
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I'm down with hooker....
I'm down with a hooker....
Better not let your wife see that post!
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How many hands do you need to count the number of 4.5 sack days in college football this season? 1?
He got more than half of his total sacks for this year against a punching bag. If he shows out well against LSU then I will gladly apologize for understating the importance of the big game against a C-USA opponent.
He got more than half of his total sacks for this year against a punching bag. If he shows out well against LSU then I will gladly apologize for understating the importance of the big game against a C-USA opponent.
The importance was that he is finally able to push off his left foot again, something he has been unable to do since the 1st Q of the Ark. game back 2 months ago.
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I love Malik but I'm going to need to see his tackling improve first.
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We cant draft guys anymore that need more than half a season of development. We dont develop talent in cleveland. They have to come ready.
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Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
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Ill have to look at that kids tape
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How many hands do you need to count the number of 4.5 sack days in college football this season? 1?
He got more than half of his total sacks for this year against a punching bag. If he shows out well against LSU then I will gladly apologize for understating the importance of the big game against a C-USA opponent.
He got more than half of his total sacks for this year against a punching bag. If he shows out well against LSU then I will gladly apologize for understating the importance of the big game against a C-USA opponent.
And again, he was hurt. If it's so easy, why aren't any other elite prospects doing it all the time?
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We cant draft guys anymore that need more than half a season of development. We dont develop talent in cleveland. They have to come ready.
We cant draft guys anymore that need more than half a season of development. We dont develop talent in cleveland. They have to come ready.
oh like players that we draft and have them switch positions
what I would like to see Draft in the position where we are at fucking tired of us trading around
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He got more than half of his total sacks for this year against a punching bag. If he shows out well against LSU then I will gladly apologize for understating the importance of the big game against a C-USA opponent.
And again, he was hurt. If it's so easy, why aren't any other elite prospects doing it all the time?
And again, he was hurt. If it's so easy, why aren't any other elite prospects doing it all the time?
Because they aren't having to stay in for the entire game against Devry?
I already said I would gladly apologize if he looks good against LSU.
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I really hope they don't skip out on Allen to take Trubisky.
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I really hope they don't skip out on Allen to take Trubisky.
I really hope they don't skip out on Allen to take Trubisky.
We might get both
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I really hope they don't skip out on Allen to take Trubisky.
We might get both
We might get both
QBs always end up going in the top 3 and so far Trubisky seems to be the top of the QB class.
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Watching Mitch vs Miami from this season...
I'm starting to like Mitch. Please somebody book mark this for Cal's reference later.
edit: I'd also like to say I"m in the market for a big, chain moving running back. Crow and Duke are decent enough but even being 220 I don't see the Crow as the punishing runner Hue wants
for a power game between the tackles. I'm not saying get me a short yardage back, but somebody who in the middle rounds that can come in and smack a linebacker on an iso.
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There's not a position group on this team that doesnt need an upgrade....
bpa bpa bpa
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Watching Mitch vs Miami from this season...
I'm starting to like Mitch. Please somebody book mark this for Cal's reference later.
edit: I'd also like to say I"m in the market for a big, chain moving running back. Crow and Duke are decent enough but even being 220 I don't see the Crow as the punishing runner Hue wants
for a power game between the tackles. I'm not saying get me a short yardage back, but somebody who in the middle rounds that can come in and smack a linebacker on an iso.
Watching Mitch vs Miami from this season...
I'm starting to like Mitch. Please somebody book mark this for Cal's reference later.
edit: I'd also like to say I"m in the market for a big, chain moving running back. Crow and Duke are decent enough but even being 220 I don't see the Crow as the punishing runner Hue wants
for a power game between the tackles. I'm not saying get me a short yardage back, but somebody who in the middle rounds that can come in and smack a linebacker on an iso.
James Conner from Pitt? Big fella who can catch the ball.
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