Draft Talk
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Perine would be nice, and would start.
Pocic and Warmack, me likey
Skipper kinda blows.
Skipper?
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Skipper?
Dan Skipper, Arkansas
Dan Skipper, Arkansas
I don't see him in the CBS Top 100 prospects. He may be one of those who is like a 3rd year junior and is not listed in the prospect reports.
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His snap command early on in the season worried me. I'm not enough of a homer to over look that. I presume you've seen better control as the season has progressed?
Snap Command?
First time I have focused on him, tia...
JJ is an exception for his size as he is a freak combination of speed and strength.
... and quickness. His quick twitch/ strength combo out of the same set of muscles is what makes him so very special.
In college? Dude clowneys best tape is when ghosted around OL. They wouldnt get a hand on him. That and his speed is what had scouts salivating
Reads like a Mingo scouting report...
Reads like a Mingo scouting report...
Right, which is why i now look at potential pass rushers in the draft differently. Speed rushing and finesse maneuvers, no matter how spectacular they look, do nothing for me anymore. I now compare them to bosa. How do these guys deal when the play is right at them and they're forced to go head up with a tackle or pulling guard. Why im higher on allen than garrett. Cause in the nfl they "will" get their hands on u. Garrett makes highlight reels with that freakish shoulder dip ala von miller.
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That doesnt mean i dont think garrett might be special someday but we dont have a history of developing players. So the more nfl ready a guy is in terms of power, thats what i look for.
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That doesnt mean i dont think garrett might be special someday but we dont have a history of developing players. So the more nfl ready a guy is in terms of power, thats what i look for.
That doesnt mean i dont think garrett might be special someday but we dont have a history of developing players. So the more nfl ready a guy is in terms of power, thats what i look for.
OK-there are plenty of power plays, plenty of shoulder dips and plenty of pure speed. This was published Nov. 16 so go ahead and evaluate the highlights.
Character? OK.
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That doesnt mean i dont think garrett might be special someday but we dont have a history of developing players. So the more nfl ready a guy is in terms of power, thats what i look for.
OK-there are plenty of power plays, plenty of shoulder dips and plenty of pure speed. This was published Nov. 16 so go ahead and evaluate the highlights.
Character? OK.
OK-there are plenty of power plays, plenty of shoulder dips and plenty of pure speed. This was published Nov. 16 so go ahead and evaluate the highlights.
What the Browns need are the #1 and the #2 picks....so they can get both Trubisky and Garrett. But, alas, I think the QB has to trump the defender.
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OK-there are plenty of power plays, plenty of shoulder dips and plenty of pure speed. This was published Nov. 16 so go ahead and evaluate the highlights.
What the Browns need are the #1 and the #2 picks....so they can get both Trubisky and Garrett. But, alas, I think the QB has to trump the defender.
What the Browns need are the #1 and the #2 picks....so they can get both Trubisky and Garrett. But, alas, I think the QB has to trump the defender.
And I am a defense first guy so I understand your choice, but just come from a different perspective, especially when one looks like a 3 season no brainer and the other with 1 season question marks.
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What the Browns need are the #1 and the #2 picks....so they can get both Trubisky and Garrett. But, alas, I think the QB has to trump the defender.
And I am a defense first guy so I understand your choice, but just come from a different perspective, especially when one looks like a 3 season no brainer and the other with 1 season question marks.
And I am a defense first guy so I understand your choice, but just come from a different perspective, especially when one looks like a 3 season no brainer and the other with 1 season question marks.
Or...is your pespective: "I am an Aggie guy, and I want the Aggie guy to go #1"?
Don't get me wrong, he may be a great choice. And this defense needs a guy like that. But I think the team needs a franchise QB. This team needs a resurrection ....and only a QB, I believe can work that miracle.
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Still with work to do...
- I see Allen as our first R1; D. Bryant/Sheldon/Allen looks like a 3-4 dream DL...
- TCPO's Kizer at the top of R2 does it for me... a 2nd QB later? Not so much...
- Our Philly pick? Catch me later...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Still with work to do...
- I see Allen as our first R1; D. Bryant/Sheldon/Allen looks like a 3-4 dream DL...
- TCPO's Kizer at the top of R2 does it for me... a 2nd QB later? Not so much...
- Our Philly pick? Catch me later...
Still with work to do...
- I see Allen as our first R1; D. Bryant/Sheldon/Allen looks like a 3-4 dream DL...
- TCPO's Kizer at the top of R2 does it for me... a 2nd QB later? Not so much...
- Our Philly pick? Catch me later...
Couldn't pass up Cooper Rush in the 6th. That guy screams "developmental QB".
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Still with work to do...
- I see Allen as our first R1; D. Bryant/Sheldon/Allen looks like a 3-4 dream DL...
- TCPO's Kizer at the top of R2 does it for me... a 2nd QB later? Not so much...
- Our Philly pick? Catch me later...
Still with work to do...
- I see Allen as our first R1; D. Bryant/Sheldon/Allen looks like a 3-4 dream DL...
- TCPO's Kizer at the top of R2 does it for me... a 2nd QB later? Not so much...
- Our Philly pick? Catch me later...
Why bother when they will take Trubisky #1?
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Why bother when they will take Trubisky #1?
Or they could just be creating the appearance of really wanting Trubisky to generate a potential opportunity of fleecing someone. It will be silly season until April.
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Why bother when they will take Trubisky #1?
Or they could just be creating the appearance of really wanting Trubisky to generate a potential opportunity of fleecing someone. It will be silly season until April.
Or they could just be creating the appearance of really wanting Trubisky to generate a potential opportunity of fleecing someone. It will be silly season until April.
They generally just fleece themselves when they make those moves. How many times have they traded down (or up)to have it all work out greatly in their favor?
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Or they could just be creating the appearance of really wanting Trubisky to generate a potential opportunity of fleecing someone. It will be silly season until April.
They generally just fleece themselves when they make those moves. How many times have they traded down (or up)to have it all work out greatly in their favor?
They generally just fleece themselves when they make those moves. How many times have they traded down (or up)to have it all work out greatly in their favor?
Some of that statement is true, but it isn't the act of making the trade that screwed the Browns, it was the fact they didn't select the correct players. Many people felt the trades were heavily slanted in our favor, but we simply couldn't put the picks to good use. Sammy Watkins isn't anything to write home about, but Julio Jones certainly is.
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They generally just fleece themselves when they make those moves. How many times have they traded down (or up)to have it all work out greatly in their favor?
Some of that statement is true, but it isn't the act of making the trade that screwed the Browns, it was the fact they didn't select the correct players. Many people felt the trades were heavily slanted in our favor, but we simply couldn't put the picks to good use. Sammy Watkins isn't anything to write home about, but Julio Jones certainly is.
Some of that statement is true, but it isn't the act of making the trade that screwed the Browns, it was the fact they didn't select the correct players. Many people felt the trades were heavily slanted in our favor, but we simply couldn't put the picks to good use. Sammy Watkins isn't anything to write home about, but Julio Jones certainly is.
For sure, making the right pick is what it is all about. They traded up to #22 to take JMZ instead of taking Carr. They traded down an took Gilbert when they could have taken Aaron Donald. They traded up to take TR....but could have had Kuechley.
Go back to the trade up for Quinn.
And on and on and on it goes. And, yes, when they stayed put they made bad choices as well.
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That doesnt mean i dont think garrett might be special someday but we dont have a history of developing players. So the more nfl ready a guy is in terms of power, thats what i look for.
OK-there are plenty of power plays, plenty of shoulder dips and plenty of pure speed. This was published Nov. 16 so go ahead and evaluate the highlights.
Character? OK.
OK-there are plenty of power plays, plenty of shoulder dips and plenty of pure speed. This was published Nov. 16 so go ahead and evaluate the highlights.
Havent been able to watch the full video but the play that happens ~:50 is exemplary of what i thought i was detecting in previous videos. Elbows just completely folded in. He still rips away from the tackle and catches the qb stepping up, but in the nfl he's swallowed. He only gets awaybwith that at the college level where the def guys are on avg ahead of the OL. Once in the NFL those matured ol are going to eat that technique up.
In a DE/OLB im looking for arms extended and holding off the tackle. Basically bench pressing his man. Thats the basics. When you have that, you can set up you outside/inside moves. But if the ol doesnt respect ur bench, he's just gonna draw you in and stall you out.
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Still with work to do...
- I see Allen as our first R1; D. Bryant/Sheldon/Allen looks like a 3-4 dream DL...
- TCPO's Kizer at the top of R2 does it for me... a 2nd QB later? Not so much...
- Our Philly pick? Catch me later...
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Still with work to do...
- I see Allen as our first R1; D. Bryant/Sheldon/Allen looks like a 3-4 dream DL...
- TCPO's Kizer at the top of R2 does it for me... a 2nd QB later? Not so much...
- Our Philly pick? Catch me later...
Interesting composition on the Dline.
At the 3 and 5 you have your one gap players great at shooting and creating havoc in the backfield and in their rush lanes. In the middle you have your classic 2 gap nose. Although Danny has upped his pressure counts and would suit just fine not having to be 0tech player...
Only problem is having confidence in Bryant coming back ready to rock after being out so long.
Unless of course you meant Sheldon and not Shelton. In which case I see Bryant as expendable.
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Allen is currently listed at 265. That aint 5 tech material. Not in my defense. My 5 looks like justin smith. Would love to see 4 man fronts with allen as the strong side DE and maybe orchard on the other side as the speed rush. Heck we couldveven use collins as the weak side rusher
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And I am a defense first guy so I understand your choice, but just come from a different perspective, especially when one looks like a 3 season no brainer and the other with 1 season question marks.
Or...is your pespective: "I am an Aggie guy, and I want the Aggie guy to go #1"?
Don't get me wrong, he may be a great choice. And this defense needs a guy like that. But I think the team needs a franchise QB. This team needs a resurrection ....and only a QB, I believe can work that miracle.
Or...is your pespective: "I am an Aggie guy, and I want the Aggie guy to go #1"?
Don't get me wrong, he may be a great choice. And this defense needs a guy like that. But I think the team needs a franchise QB. This team needs a resurrection ....and only a QB, I believe can work that miracle.
No honestly my perspective is that this defense can't get off the field because we have no pass rush. He is uniquely talented with a combination of speed, quickness, size and sure tackling. The less the D is out there, the more the O has shots to score and the less they have to overcome on the scoreboard. Simple math for me. Great D's create scoring opportunities. Ours could be if we could just pressure QBs into mistakes/sacks.
PS-don't take my word for it. Just go check all the draft sites and see why they think he is the best player in the draft this year and why they think the Browns need him.
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