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  • @bbedward said:

    Renting a Hyundai sonata. Not bad, but I like my car much more 🙁

    Hyundai has a ten year warranty right? I was thinking about buying one but I'm a chevy freak and a new Malibu is what I want. Black on black with tint and black rims. Oh ya

    "One said:

    Hyundai has a ten year warranty right? I was thinking about buying one but I'm a chevy freak and a new Malibu is what I want. Black on black with tint and black rims. Oh ya

    10yr/100,000 on the powertrain I believe

    All the generic foreign cars like this Hyundai, your corolla/camery, Honda are all the same to me. Nothing real special.

  • I like fun cars with personality like mine, even though the top end is wrecked

  • I like fun cars with personality like mine, even though the top end is wrecked

    @bbedward said:

    I like fun sized big girls with personality like mine, even though the top end is wrecked

    FYP LMAO!
  • @bbedward said:

    Yea pretty fucked up, I hope the warranty doesn't find any excuse not to cover it (it says timing chain/belt, cylinder head are covered under the powertrain)

    But they will not approve the claim until they tear it down, which cost $270 out of my pocket.

    would have never considered a timing chain jumping on a quick gas fill-up. but it happens. some guys pay far more than $270 for sex..Well, there she is, your move? Take her to bbedward palace & good luck..

    @gumby73 said:

    would have never considered a timing chain jumping on a quick gas fill-up. but it happens. some guys pay far more than $270 for sex..Well, there she is, your move? Take her to bbedward palace & good luck..

    I told you what the fuck it was Gumby. Maybe next time you'll listen closer. 🙂
  • @bbedward said:

    Probably disconnect the fuel filter and run the fuel pump to collect some gas in a container.

    I'll fix it myself depending on what it is, if it's bad gas I'll let the shop handle the tank draining.

    Ok I've posted enough on this topic. My guess fuel pump.

    @one-post said:

    Ok I've posted enough on this topic. My guess fuel pump.

    @one-post said:

    I told you what the fuck it was Gumby. Maybe next time you'll listen closer. 🙂

    one post? what ever happen to "1 post from THE TRUTH"? it was like you always had a net to fall into to in cases like this. Maybe a Geico BS internet Protection Plan? Cause that's what we really do 😁 (than we call Flo at Progressive, hey girl hey)

  • @one-post said:

    Ok I've posted enough on this topic. My guess fuel pump.

    @one-post said:

    I told you what the fuck it was Gumby. Maybe next time you'll listen closer. 🙂

    one post? what ever happen to "1 post from THE TRUTH"? it was like you always had a net to fall into to in cases like this. Maybe a Geico BS internet Protection Plan? Cause that's what we really do 😁 (than we call Flo at Progressive, hey girl hey)

    @gumby73 said:

    one post? what ever happen to "1 post from THE TRUTH"? it was like you always had a net to fall into to in cases like this. Maybe a Geico BS internet Protection Plan? Cause that's what we really do 😁 (than we call Flo at Progressive, hey girl hey)

    I was messing with you but hey thanks for paying attention. 😉
  • Well that was unexpected.


    Said looks like the car skipped timing, no compression on any of the cylinders.


    *Luckily* I purchased an extended warranty and it should be covered, but they want the engine torn down to confirm the diagnosis before approving the claim.

    @bbedward said:

    Well that was unexpected.

    Said looks like the car skipped timing, no compression on any of the cylinders.

    *Luckily* I purchased an extended warranty and it should be covered, but they want the engine torn down to confirm the diagnosis before approving the claim.

    It's kind of fun watching this whole thing play out....well at least for us guys who don't have to shell out any money on it.

    So when do you get the final news and what has to be done and how much?

    Oh how simple cars used to be, my first car a used 1965 Mustang, my 1978 Chevy C-10 straight 6 I could practically sit inside the engine compartment, a trip to the parts store and you were all set.

  • @bbedward said:

    Well that was unexpected.

    Said looks like the car skipped timing, no compression on any of the cylinders.

    *Luckily* I purchased an extended warranty and it should be covered, but they want the engine torn down to confirm the diagnosis before approving the claim.

    It's kind of fun watching this whole thing play out....well at least for us guys who don't have to shell out any money on it.

    So when do you get the final news and what has to be done and how much?

    Oh how simple cars used to be, my first car a used 1965 Mustang, my 1978 Chevy C-10 straight 6 I could practically sit inside the engine compartment, a trip to the parts store and you were all set.

    @mjp28 said:

    It's kind of fun watching this whole thing play out....well at least for us guys who don't have to shell out any money on it.

    So when do you get the final news and what has to be done and how much?

    Oh how simple cars used to be, my first car a used 1965 Mustang, my 1978 Chevy C-10 straight 6 I could practically sit inside the engine compartment, a trip to the parts store and you were all set.

    I'm with you there. Before you had to guess and take chances, now you plug a box in and read a manual.
  • @bbedward said:

    Well that was unexpected.

    Said looks like the car skipped timing, no compression on any of the cylinders.

    *Luckily* I purchased an extended warranty and it should be covered, but they want the engine torn down to confirm the diagnosis before approving the claim.

    It's kind of fun watching this whole thing play out....well at least for us guys who don't have to shell out any money on it.

    So when do you get the final news and what has to be done and how much?

    Oh how simple cars used to be, my first car a used 1965 Mustang, my 1978 Chevy C-10 straight 6 I could practically sit inside the engine compartment, a trip to the parts store and you were all set.

    @mjp28 said:

    So when do you get the final news and what has to be done and how much?

    Monday probably, but the warranty company has to send out an inspector/adjuster and I won't know what I'm on the hook for until then. Probably just my $250 deductible.

    I'm paying out of pocket now for the rental car which sucks with the holidays coming up, but the warranty company will also reimburse me for that.

    Likely it'll need a new cylinder head (or new valves, but it's probably cheaper and quicker to just get a new one since they're bent in every cylinder. Plus timing chain, timing chain tensioner, new chain guides. Plus usual stuff - new coolant/oil. I'll also have them replace the water pump while they're in there even though it'd probably be out of my pocket.

  • Oh most insurance policies have a rental car provision same with major credit cards plus they're generally indemnified where you get copies of the bill and *legally collect on both.

    *I'm checking the legal part out.

  • @mjp28 said:

    So when do you get the final news and what has to be done and how much?

    Monday probably, but the warranty company has to send out an inspector/adjuster and I won't know what I'm on the hook for until then. Probably just my $250 deductible.

    I'm paying out of pocket now for the rental car which sucks with the holidays coming up, but the warranty company will also reimburse me for that.

    Likely it'll need a new cylinder head (or new valves, but it's probably cheaper and quicker to just get a new one since they're bent in every cylinder. Plus timing chain, timing chain tensioner, new chain guides. Plus usual stuff - new coolant/oil. I'll also have them replace the water pump while they're in there even though it'd probably be out of my pocket.

    @bbedward said:

    Monday probably, but the warranty company has to send out an inspector/adjuster and I won't know what I'm on the hook for until then. Probably just my $250 deductible.

    I'm paying out of pocket now for the rental car which sucks with the holidays coming up, but the warranty company will also reimburse me for that.

    Likely it'll need a new cylinder head (or new valves, but it's probably cheaper and quicker to just get a new one since they're bent in every cylinder. Plus timing chain, timing chain tensioner, new chain guides. Plus usual stuff - new coolant/oil. I'll also have them replace the water pump while they're in there even though it'd probably be out of my pocket.

    It's routine they change it out. I went through the same thing in my Mazda kiddo. Final bill which I paid out of pocket around $1600.
  • I saw it yesterday because I had to go get something out of my car. Looked like every exhaust valve was bent and most of the intake valves, should have taken a picture.

    They said the chain was loose and it had the "old-style" timing chain tensioner - which I guess VW has a revised part for it.

    Also the water pump scenario is weird, it's driven by it's own little belt that connects to the balancing shaft - it's also connected to the engine oil cooler, all have lines and stuff going to the turbo. Probably not a thing covered under a timing tensioner failure because of the way it's designed - but I'll still have them replace it anyway since it requires removing the intake manifold to replace it.

  • I saw it yesterday because I had to go get something out of my car. Looked like every exhaust valve was bent and most of the intake valves, should have taken a picture.

    They said the chain was loose and it had the "old-style" timing chain tensioner - which I guess VW has a revised part for it.

    Also the water pump scenario is weird, it's driven by it's own little belt that connects to the balancing shaft - it's also connected to the engine oil cooler, all have lines and stuff going to the turbo. Probably not a thing covered under a timing tensioner failure because of the way it's designed - but I'll still have them replace it anyway since it requires removing the intake manifold to replace it.

    @bbedward said:

    I saw it yesterday because I had to go get something out of my car. Looked like every exhaust valve was bent and most of the intake valves, should have taken a picture.

    They said the chain was loose and it had the "old-style" timing chain tensioner - which I guess VW has a revised part for it.

    Also the water pump scenario is weird, it's driven by it's own little belt that connects to the balancing shaft - it's also connected to the engine oil cooler, all have lines and stuff going to the turbo. Probably not a thing covered under a timing tensioner failure because of the way it's designed - but I'll still have them replace it anyway since it requires removing the intake manifold to replace it.

    What year is this car? What caused this major damage? How many miles?

  • @bbedward said:

    I saw it yesterday because I had to go get something out of my car. Looked like every exhaust valve was bent and most of the intake valves, should have taken a picture.

    They said the chain was loose and it had the "old-style" timing chain tensioner - which I guess VW has a revised part for it.

    Also the water pump scenario is weird, it's driven by it's own little belt that connects to the balancing shaft - it's also connected to the engine oil cooler, all have lines and stuff going to the turbo. Probably not a thing covered under a timing tensioner failure because of the way it's designed - but I'll still have them replace it anyway since it requires removing the intake manifold to replace it.

    What year is this car? What caused this major damage? How many miles?

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    What year is this car? What caused this major damage? How many miles?

    2012, just under 100k miles. Timing chain tensioner failed causing chain to skip. Often happens after you shut off the engine the loose chain skips and then car won't start again or will run clunky. Interference engine so piston meets valves.

    VW has a TSB and a revised timing chain tensioner part. But under the TSB they won't replace it unless it fails - which is a bit of a joke because when it fails it usually takes the valves with it. Of course they won't replace the valves/cylinder head as a result of its failure.

    Under the warranty they will install a reman'd cylinder head and the revised timing chain tensioner with new chain/guides.

  • @diehardbrownsfan said:

    What year is this car? What caused this major damage? How many miles?

    2012, just under 100k miles. Timing chain tensioner failed causing chain to skip. Often happens after you shut off the engine the loose chain skips and then car won't start again or will run clunky. Interference engine so piston meets valves.

    VW has a TSB and a revised timing chain tensioner part. But under the TSB they won't replace it unless it fails - which is a bit of a joke because when it fails it usually takes the valves with it. Of course they won't replace the valves/cylinder head as a result of its failure.

    Under the warranty they will install a reman'd cylinder head and the revised timing chain tensioner with new chain/guides.

    @bbedward said:

    2012, just under 100k miles. Timing chain tensioner failed causing chain to skip. Often happens after you shut off the engine the loose chain skips and then car won't start again or will run clunky. Interference engine so piston meets valves.

    VW has a TSB and a revised timing chain tensioner part. But under the TSB they won't replace it unless it fails - which is a bit of a joke because when it fails it usually takes the valves with it. Of course they won't replace the valves/cylinder head as a result of its failure.

    Under the warranty they will install a reman'd cylinder head and the revised timing chain tensioner with new chain/guides.

    They call it the tensioner and it's as big as your thumb. You were due for it to happen and when you get it fixed and ever sell it that's one of the questions you will be asked.
  • @bbedward said:

    2012, just under 100k miles. Timing chain tensioner failed causing chain to skip. Often happens after you shut off the engine the loose chain skips and then car won't start again or will run clunky. Interference engine so piston meets valves.

    VW has a TSB and a revised timing chain tensioner part. But under the TSB they won't replace it unless it fails - which is a bit of a joke because when it fails it usually takes the valves with it. Of course they won't replace the valves/cylinder head as a result of its failure.

    Under the warranty they will install a reman'd cylinder head and the revised timing chain tensioner with new chain/guides.

    They call it the tensioner and it's as big as your thumb. You were due for it to happen and when you get it fixed and ever sell it that's one of the questions you will be asked.

    "One said:

    They call it the tensioner and it's as big as your thumb. You were due for it to happen and when you get it fixed and ever sell it that's one of the questions you will be asked.

    There's a class action lawsuit I saw out there for these tensioners, but it's not much worry to me. I'll get the revised one and either new valves or a new cylinder head. They alluded to it being cheaper to just replace the cylinder head than machining/replacing the valves though

  • "One said:

    They call it the tensioner and it's as big as your thumb. You were due for it to happen and when you get it fixed and ever sell it that's one of the questions you will be asked.

    There's a class action lawsuit I saw out there for these tensioners, but it's not much worry to me. I'll get the revised one and either new valves or a new cylinder head. They alluded to it being cheaper to just replace the cylinder head than machining/replacing the valves though

    @bbedward said:

    There's a class action lawsuit I saw out there for these tensioners, but it's not much worry to me. I'll get the revised one and either new valves or a new cylinder head. They alluded to it being cheaper to just replace the cylinder head than machining/replacing the valves though

    Just curious are you going to sign on with the class action if it's still open? Doesn't cost anything and you might get something....eventually.

    I bought a 1970 Honda Scrambler 350 in January but Honda was passing off late 1969 models off as 1970s...I didn't care I liked the 1969 style much better.

    Well after a LONG wait I got my check for... $7.47. Oh well. But you might have much more at stake!

  • @bbedward said:

    There's a class action lawsuit I saw out there for these tensioners, but it's not much worry to me. I'll get the revised one and either new valves or a new cylinder head. They alluded to it being cheaper to just replace the cylinder head than machining/replacing the valves though

    Just curious are you going to sign on with the class action if it's still open? Doesn't cost anything and you might get something....eventually.

    I bought a 1970 Honda Scrambler 350 in January but Honda was passing off late 1969 models off as 1970s...I didn't care I liked the 1969 style much better.

    Well after a LONG wait I got my check for... $7.47. Oh well. But you might have much more at stake!

    @mjp28 said:

    Just curious are you going to sign on with the class action if it's still open? Doesn't cost anything and you might get something....eventually.

    I bought a 1970 Honda Scrambler 350 in January but Honda was passing off late 1969 models off as 1970s...I didn't care I liked the 1969 style much better.

    Well after a LONG wait I got my check for... $7.47. Oh well. But you might have much more at stake!

    Yea I got some paperwork from the law firm to join the suit as a plaintiff. Won't take much and I'll happily take a check for whatever if it happens.

  • Total bill ~$4200

    Rebuilt cylinder head with stuff like: new intake/exhaust valves, new rocker arms, new head gasket, new cam follower. Plus other gaskets (like intake/exhaust mani/TB), new timing chain kit (chain, guides, tensioner, cover), plus oil filter housing (? not sure why but whatever, my oil filter is in the engine bay facing down), and new fluids and other misc. crap of course.

  • Holy smokes! Some list of parts and work because of a timing chain plus $4,200, whew!