Could Hue be one and done?
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Stosh and the Pud are purely numbers guys. Neither one has any qualifier's to pick NFL talent. Sure there's a scouting team out there but when it comes down to crunch time...JIMMY!
If you look at things like Jimmy being in charge of talent for the past 3 years, it all makes sense. He cannot judge talent for shit but sure wants to keep meddling.
There's a scouting team, a vastly experienced coaching team, talent evaluators, and then one guy (Sashi) who brings all of the information together to get a consensus of the best players/fits. I've never understood this need for the GM to be a supreme talent evaluator, the guy is going to spend so much of his time churning the roster that he's not going to ever really have much time to do his scouting, and even if he does it won't be on all 350 or so college guys and the hundreds of NFL free agents every year, so he's for sure going to need to lean on his scouts very heavily anyway.
If anything, it's probably a good thing that you don't have someone at the top who is driven by ego and will disregard the scouting advice and just go with one man's opinion (hi Ray Farmer, Mike Holmgren, Mike Lombardi...)
Like Polian?There's a scouting team, a vastly experienced coaching team, talent evaluators, and then one guy (Sashi) who brings all of the information together to get a consensus of the best players/fits. I've never understood this need for the GM to be a supreme talent evaluator, the guy is going to spend so much of his time churning the roster that he's not going to ever really have much time to do his scouting, and even if he does it won't be on all 350 or so college guys and the hundreds of NFL free agents every year, so he's for sure going to need to lean on his scouts very heavily anyway.
If anything, it's probably a good thing that you don't have someone at the top who is driven by ego and will disregard the scouting advice and just go with one man's opinion (hi Ray Farmer, Mike Holmgren, Mike Lombardi...)
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OK, we have no supreme talent evaluator. No supreme talent either. Coincidence? I think not
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OK, we have no supreme talent evaluator. No supreme talent either. Coincidence? I think not
OK, we have no supreme talent evaluator. No supreme talent either. Coincidence? I think not
We've had a 'supreme talent evaluator' for 17 seasons since coming back in to the league. Clearly, Jimmy Haslam made a huge mistake breaking from that structure which had heralded an unprecedented dynasty of a football team, winning back to back super bowls and looking to three-peat this year. He was stupid to look to do something slightly different to what we'd been doing every year for 17 years because it was obviously working so, so well.
For every Polian, there is a Farmer, a Holmgren, a Lombardi, a Kokinis, a Heckert...
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At least Randy tried to hire good football people. But now when it comes down to pick or no pick on draft day, we have a baseball number cruncher, an Ivy league number cruncher, Dee and Jimmy as fan ball crunchers.
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If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
Keep the coach. Fire the owners
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Haslam is going to do what haslam wants he does not care about Cleveland the team the fans or the coaches he cares about one thing money and if he can still make massive profits he will continue to do so dispite the losing the team has almost tripled in value so it's a toss up what he will do what it comes down to is that the browns will not get better till the fan stop going and stop buying merchandise
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If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
If they fire a coach after the first year of a build when they've let every single veteran worth a shit walk and given him absolutely nothing to work with I cant support the team anymore
Why is it we're seemingly in the minority here that understand this?
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No, he'll be back. I think the original poster asked the wrong question. The question SHOULD be, "How much of a second season does Hue get?" In other words, If he starts the season 0-6, is he gone? How much longer does the "we have no talent" excuse ride? Like I said in another post, how much better could a team like ours REALLY BE in one more year? We can't REALLY expect results. We have the youngest team...is that really going to change? I can tell you with almost 100% certainty that Jamie Collins will be gone. He doesn't want to be here, and who can blame the guy? Could we franchise him? Sure we could, but I think we'll be doing that with Pryor.
Hue will be back, but I'm not sure "how long the leash" will be in year two. I'm HOPING it's very long, because just firing somebody doesn't fix things. You have to hire somebody better, and who is THAT? I haven't loved everything Hue has done, and some of his play calling drives me nuts, but whatever. Here's to hoping we improve...
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Haslam is going to do what haslam wants he does not care about Cleveland the team the fans or the coaches he cares about one thing money and if he can still make massive profits he will continue to do so dispite the losing the team has almost tripled in value so it's a toss up what he will do what it comes down to is that the browns will not get better till the fan stop going and stop buying merchandise
Haslam is going to do what haslam wants he does not care about Cleveland the team the fans or the coaches he cares about one thing money and if he can still make massive profits he will continue to do so dispite the losing the team has almost tripled in value so it's a toss up what he will do what it comes down to is that the browns will not get better till the fan stop going and stop buying merchandise
That seems to be about the only answer. He might understand money. Good Gawd! Even Rolling Stone magazine rates the Haslam's as the 8th worst team owners in the world.
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I mean Christ, our o-line is so bad they really ought to just step aside and let the defensive front just cream the quarterback. He'd probably get hit less awkwardly and might survive longer than a game.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I mean Christ, our o-line is so bad they really ought to just step aside and let the defensive front just cream the quarterback. He'd probably get hit less awkwardly and might survive longer than a game.
I mean Christ, our o-line is so bad they really ought to just step aside and let the defensive front just cream the quarterback. He'd probably get hit less awkwardly and might survive longer than a game.
Just forget the guards. Put an extra two receivers on the field. Swap out Erving for a TE who can learn to snap. Job done.
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At least Randy tried to hire good football people. But now when it comes down to pick or no pick on draft day, we have a baseball number cruncher, an Ivy league number cruncher, Dee and Jimmy as fan ball crunchers.
At least Randy tried to hire good football people. But now when it comes down to pick or no pick on draft day, we have a baseball number cruncher, an Ivy league number cruncher, Dee and Jimmy as fan ball crunchers.
1) EVERY TEAM uses analytics. Not some, not part, not half - every single one. The Browns have just done it slightly more. This is NOT a differentiator.
2) Good football people? You and I have VERY different definitions of "good".
I trust Tour and tia over Walrus and Tom Heckert. Savage, Kokinis, Heckert, Farmer --- all these idiots were not the least bit competent while with the Browns but were "recommended" by Others as being Good Football People.
Translation: They can't actually execute their job for shyte but they've been drawing a paycheck from other NFL teams, so They Simply Must Be Good Because Reasons.
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Could he be? Sure... there are no guarantees.
Will he be? No... if we keep changing horses, there's no way we ever get out of the middle of this stream.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Oh and btw, i love the nonchalant attitude of everyone involved in the org that 'we don't care about winning this season' as this team is breaking franchise and long-storied nfl records for suckage. Love the browns but who wants to be the guy in the club house shitter talking proudly of sticking by the all-time worse football team in history? It's like you bragging that you threw a counle of hundred down on Skin The Cat as Secretariat goes across the line winning by ten lenghts.
What's he supposed to say? "Yeah we wanted at least 5 wins from Hue because we like the number 5 and it's a good number, if he doesn't get them he's fired" or "I don't understand why we're not in the playoffs, we're so great and all our players should be pro bowlers" or "Honestly we knew we wouldn't be in the playoffs and this year won't be judged on wins and losses"
Which one seems reasonable? Which seems deluded? Which applies unnecessary additional pressure?
What's he supposed to say? "
how about this....man up and tell the truth?
"we'll have to re-evaluate our evaluation process. we are looking at bringing in a football guy because between po and i and our analytic process we learned from harvard, we realize that that blows. we apologize for our draft and not picking any real play makers on either side of the ball. i'd like to announce that the franchise is giving back to our season ticket holders who have been the back bone of our fanbase by awarding 2 free tickets per ticket holder next year. i suck, po sucks. and if hue doesn't get his shit together we'll all be out of work."
how's that for a start?
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I mean Christ, our o-line is so bad they really ought to just step aside and let the defensive front just cream the quarterback. He'd probably get hit less awkwardly and might survive longer than a game.
I mean Christ, our o-line is so bad they really ought to just step aside and let the defensive front just cream the quarterback. He'd probably get hit less awkwardly and might survive longer than a game.
The vaunted turtle play? Is that what ur suggesting?
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Mccown takes the snap and he immediately stops, drops and rolls into the fetal position....what a great play boy the defense has no answer for that play folks....its like watching a healthy lou gehrig in his prime so unfair so unfair!!
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We will reach levels of embarrassment that shouldn't even be possible if we fire Hue after this year.
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IMO hue doesn't even come into play. people's argument that no one could coach this young no talented team is correct. but then i say, who do you blame for that? and please, we don't have YEARS for these guys to learn how to do their jobs. when i worked on mad ave, there was no excuse for a drop in revenue or sales that'd topple your bottom line like the browns annually suck.
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I've been reading alot of articles saying that Hue has been absolutely worst coach in the league awful...but still is getting a free pass this year so thats where we are at... welp he's got until the bye of next year i suppose but i wouldn't put it passed the browns FO to look elsewhere.
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