Could Hue be one and done?
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I don't know the exact reason why Hue was called to the principles office immediately following the game, buy I would imagine it wasn't to ask Hue if he had a nice Thanksgiving.
If I had to guess, it would be that Jimmah is addressing the 800 lb gorilla in the room...namely the ~20k fans sitting in a 70k seating capacity stadium.
Wealthy businessmen don't like to see their revenue going down the shitter, and that's what is happening.
I don't know the exact reason why Hue was called to the principles office immediately following the game, buy I would imagine it wasn't to ask Hue if he had a nice Thanksgiving.
If I had to guess, it would be that Jimmah is addressing the 800 lb gorilla in the room...namely the ~20k fans sitting in a 70k seating capacity stadium.
Wealthy businessmen don't like to see their revenue going down the shitter, and that's what is happening.
Hue may have some blame....but there is plenty to throw around. First and foremost, Jimmy must be the first in the ring to wrestle that Gorilla.
(Hey....how many people would show up at the game to see our owner wrestle a Gorilla at halftime....those 20 K would be there...for sure).
Then his Harvard crew (who may be better at rowing on the Charles River than putting together a football team). They would have to be the tag team in the undercard). Then Hue.....then Horton. Then the players.
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I'm not saying for their sake. son saying you have two good, young players that love their coach which means the attitude in the locker room will be similar. You want to set a good example early, get them signed and keep your coach.
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Could he be? Sure... there are no guarantees.
Will he be? No... if we keep changing horses, there's no way we ever get out of the middle of this stream.
Could he be? Sure... there are no guarantees.
Will he be? No... if we keep changing horses, there's no way we ever get out of the middle of this stream.
^^^ This. You fire Hue, you're looking at coaching talent like Vince Kehres. Never heard of him? Head Coach of D III Mount Union.
how about this....man up and tell the truth?
"we'll have to re-evaluate our evaluation process. we are looking at bringing in a football guy because between po and i and our analytic process we learned from harvard, we realize that that blows. we apologize for our draft and not picking any real play makers on either side of the ball. i'd like to announce that the franchise is giving back to our season ticket holders who have been the back bone of our fanbase by awarding 2 free tickets per ticket holder next year. i suck, po sucks. and if hue doesn't get his shit together we'll all be out of work."
how's that for a start?
I like it Mik. Not just a couple freebee tickets, at least a $1 reduction in ticket price for every loss. AND a $100 voucher for every season ticket at the concession stands.
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At least Randy tried to hire good football people. But now when it comes down to pick or no pick on draft day, we have a baseball number cruncher, an Ivy league number cruncher, Dee and Jimmy as fan ball crunchers.
1) EVERY TEAM uses analytics. Not some, not part, not half - every single one. The Browns have just done it slightly more. This is NOT a differentiator.
2) Good football people? You and I have VERY different definitions of "good".
I trust Tour and tia over Walrus and Tom Heckert. Savage, Kokinis, Heckert, Farmer --- all these idiots were not the least bit competent while with the Browns but were "recommended" by Others as being Good Football People.
Translation: They can't actually execute their job for shyte but they've been drawing a paycheck from other NFL teams, so They Simply Must Be Good Because Reasons.
1) EVERY TEAM uses analytics. Not some, not part, not half - every single one. The Browns have just done it slightly more. This is NOT a differentiator.
2) Good football people? You and I have VERY different definitions of "good".
I trust Tour and tia over Walrus and Tom Heckert. Savage, Kokinis, Heckert, Farmer --- all these idiots were not the least bit competent while with the Browns but were "recommended" by Others as being Good Football People.
Translation: They can't actually execute their job for shyte but they've been drawing a paycheck from other NFL teams, so They Simply Must Be Good Because Reasons.
yeah, i guess the steelers back in the day that won 4 championships used analytics....pfffft....only thing analytics does is give you numbers, it does not measure heart...ie....new england pats...they pull people off the streets and can tell they are football players...they are not using analytics to find them...analytics is complete fucking bullshit.....it only tells you that you should get rid of so and so because he's 33 and is considered old for football...only thing is, that 33 yr old could be capable of playing better for 3-4 more yrs than someone that is drafted because they are young and cannot play one fucking iota of football....analytics does not measure that, that comes from good football people knowing the player and what he is capable of doing
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Could he be? Sure... there are no guarantees.
Will he be? No... if we keep changing horses, there's no way we ever get out of the middle of this stream.
^^^ This. You fire Hue, you're looking at coaching talent like Vince Kehres. Never heard of him? Head Coach of D III Mount Union.
how about this....man up and tell the truth?
"we'll have to re-evaluate our evaluation process. we are looking at bringing in a football guy because between po and i and our analytic process we learned from harvard, we realize that that blows. we apologize for our draft and not picking any real play makers on either side of the ball. i'd like to announce that the franchise is giving back to our season ticket holders who have been the back bone of our fanbase by awarding 2 free tickets per ticket holder next year. i suck, po sucks. and if hue doesn't get his shit together we'll all be out of work."
how's that for a start?
I like it Mik. Not just a couple freebee tickets, at least a $1 reduction in ticket price for every loss. AND a $100 voucher for every season ticket at the concession stands.
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Could he be? Sure... there are no guarantees.
Will he be? No... if we keep changing horses, there's no way we ever get out of the middle of this stream.
^^^ This. You fire Hue, you're looking at coaching talent like Vince Kehres. Never heard of him? Head Coach of D III Mount Union.
how about this....man up and tell the truth?
"we'll have to re-evaluate our evaluation process. we are looking at bringing in a football guy because between po and i and our analytic process we learned from harvard, we realize that that blows. we apologize for our draft and not picking any real play makers on either side of the ball. i'd like to announce that the franchise is giving back to our season ticket holders who have been the back bone of our fanbase by awarding 2 free tickets per ticket holder next year. i suck, po sucks. and if hue doesn't get his shit together we'll all be out of work."
how's that for a start?
I like it Mik. Not just a couple freebee tickets, at least a $1 reduction in ticket price for every loss. AND a $100 voucher for every season ticket at the concession stands.
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So....we shall find out if our Harvard FO can persuade/coax/succeed in the contract end of things....
Can he resign our players???....meaning....have all this seasons brilliant moves been noticed and appreciated by the players?......do they see this amazing plan that many of us cant see?.....if so, it should be no problem keeping them.....(cause we are just a few years/players away from sustained success)
Orrrr.....if he doesnt sign anyone....perhaps we can just blame it on the last guy....(or 2 or 5)
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If I was evaluating Hue Jackson I'd give him a C but I truly don't see another option. I can't imagine a legit coach even taking a second look at this tire fire. We've got Hue for two.
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1) EVERY TEAM uses analytics. Not some, not part, not half - every single one. The Browns have just done it slightly more. This is NOT a differentiator.
2) Good football people? You and I have VERY different definitions of "good".
I trust Tour and tia over Walrus and Tom Heckert. Savage, Kokinis, Heckert, Farmer --- all these idiots were not the least bit competent while with the Browns but were "recommended" by Others as being Good Football People.
Translation: They can't actually execute their job for shyte but they've been drawing a paycheck from other NFL teams, so They Simply Must Be Good Because Reasons.
yeah, i guess the steelers back in the day that won 4 championships used analytics....pfffft....only thing analytics does is give you numbers, it does not measure heart...ie....new england pats...they pull people off the streets and can tell they are football players...they are not using analytics to find them...analytics is complete fucking bullshit.....it only tells you that you should get rid of so and so because he's 33 and is considered old for football...only thing is, that 33 yr old could be capable of playing better for 3-4 more yrs than someone that is drafted because they are young and cannot play one fucking iota of football....analytics does not measure that, that comes from good football people knowing the player and what he is capable of doing
...only thing analytics does is give you numbers, it does not measure heart...ie....new england pats...they pull people off the streets and can tell they are football players...they are not using analytics to find them...analytics is complete fucking bullshit....
Interesting that you'd cite the one team in the NFL that probably relies more on analytics than we do... The New England Patriots.
As for heart... it can be quantified. High-motor and intensity can be gauged on tape and thru interviews of both the player and those around him.
And once quantified... ta daaa... analytics await.
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I think too many people dont understand that analytics is just a tool.....that all teams use.....and is not the only measure of a player....
The Pats may use analytics....but they also have some "football guys" who know wtf they're looking at....
Shashi and Bullychick are a million(ok....a trillion) miles apart in that department.....
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people don't want to see or hear the truth when it's ugly.
like the x files episode where the mother lived underneath the bed and was an incestial pool of breeding illiterate homicidal killers.
if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.
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True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
Honestly thought Bill was the final say guy there.....thinking so....And I had Depo as our analytics guy(not Sashi)....
So....in my world.....Bill says who they pick.....as does Shashi....and both rely on someone else to provide them the info.....
And, in consensus, they are good....but if someone has to make the call....it's Bill & Sashi.....
Im guessing our football knowledge guy has to be Hue.....which Im not crazy about....but who else could it be?
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1) EVERY TEAM uses analytics. Not some, not part, not half - every single one. The Browns have just done it slightly more. This is NOT a differentiator.
2) Good football people? You and I have VERY different definitions of "good".
I trust Tour and tia over Walrus and Tom Heckert. Savage, Kokinis, Heckert, Farmer --- all these idiots were not the least bit competent while with the Browns but were "recommended" by Others as being Good Football People.
Translation: They can't actually execute their job for shyte but they've been drawing a paycheck from other NFL teams, so They Simply Must Be Good Because Reasons.
yeah, i guess the steelers back in the day that won 4 championships used analytics....pfffft....only thing analytics does is give you numbers, it does not measure heart...ie....new england pats...they pull people off the streets and can tell they are football players...they are not using analytics to find them...analytics is complete fucking bullshit.....it only tells you that you should get rid of so and so because he's 33 and is considered old for football...only thing is, that 33 yr old could be capable of playing better for 3-4 more yrs than someone that is drafted because they are young and cannot play one fucking iota of football....analytics does not measure that, that comes from good football people knowing the player and what he is capable of doing
No those Steelers teams used amphetamines and steroids lol. Advanced analytics can and do also take into account mental make up, drive etc. as well.yeah, i guess the steelers back in the day that won 4 championships used analytics....pfffft....only thing analytics does is give you numbers, it does not measure heart...ie....new england pats...they pull people off the streets and can tell they are football players...they are not using analytics to find them...analytics is complete fucking bullshit.....it only tells you that you should get rid of so and so because he's 33 and is considered old for football...only thing is, that 33 yr old could be capable of playing better for 3-4 more yrs than someone that is drafted because they are young and cannot play one fucking iota of football....analytics does not measure that, that comes from good football people knowing the player and what he is capable of doing
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I think too many people dont understand that analytics is just a tool.....that all teams use.....and is not the only measure of a player....
The Pats may use analytics....but they also have some "football guys" who know wtf they're looking at....
Shashi and Bullychick are a million(ok....a trillion) miles apart in that department.....
I think too many people dont understand that analytics is just a tool.....that all teams use.....and is not the only measure of a player....
The Pats may use analytics....but they also have some "football guys" who know wtf they're looking at....
Shashi and Bullychick are a million(ok....a trillion) miles apart in that department.....
People hear 'analytics' and think it means teams will just take whoever runs the fastest or benches the most - like Al Davis used to do. That we're just gonna wait for the draft and with each pick look up who did best in each event and go with that. "Why don't we just draft football players, waaah waaah waaah" they'll scream. You mean like the winner of the college best receiver award? Or the guys with the most sacks? Carl Nassib isn't a guy that runs fast or benches a ton, but is a high motor, high character guy who produced in college, the exact opposite of what people expect with their narrow-minded view of analytics. On the other hand, Barkevious Mingo is *exactly* the kind of guy they'd expect us to draft, and they cut bait with him before the season started.
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"It's never ok to lose a game"
Nick Saban
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people don't want to see or hear the truth when it's ugly.
like the x files episode where the mother lived underneath the bed and was an incestial pool of breeding illiterate homicidal killers.
if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.
people don't want to see or hear the truth when it's ugly.
like the x files episode where the mother lived underneath the bed and was an incestial pool of breeding illiterate homicidal killers.
if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.
Side note: Supposedly they only allowed that episode to air once.
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someone had made a thread or a post where they discussed the players that the browns have cut or traded. i don't know the circumstances/details of what happened to each guy but i had really nothing to give to that conv at that time (sorta like now).
benjamin. mack. rubin. sheard. skrine. seem to be doing alright. not that those moves were done by this FO but jesus christ when players leave the browns for them it's a positive. when players get traded or signed here it's a death sentence.
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