Could Hue be one and done?
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True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
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True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
Honestly thought Bill was the final say guy there.....thinking so....And I had Depo as our analytics guy(not Sashi)....
So....in my world.....Bill says who they pick.....as does Shashi....and both rely on someone else to provide them the info.....
And, in consensus, they are good....but if someone has to make the call....it's Bill & Sashi.....
Im guessing our football knowledge guy has to be Hue.....which Im not crazy about....but who else could it be?
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1) EVERY TEAM uses analytics. Not some, not part, not half - every single one. The Browns have just done it slightly more. This is NOT a differentiator.
2) Good football people? You and I have VERY different definitions of "good".
I trust Tour and tia over Walrus and Tom Heckert. Savage, Kokinis, Heckert, Farmer --- all these idiots were not the least bit competent while with the Browns but were "recommended" by Others as being Good Football People.
Translation: They can't actually execute their job for shyte but they've been drawing a paycheck from other NFL teams, so They Simply Must Be Good Because Reasons.
yeah, i guess the steelers back in the day that won 4 championships used analytics....pfffft....only thing analytics does is give you numbers, it does not measure heart...ie....new england pats...they pull people off the streets and can tell they are football players...they are not using analytics to find them...analytics is complete fucking bullshit.....it only tells you that you should get rid of so and so because he's 33 and is considered old for football...only thing is, that 33 yr old could be capable of playing better for 3-4 more yrs than someone that is drafted because they are young and cannot play one fucking iota of football....analytics does not measure that, that comes from good football people knowing the player and what he is capable of doing
No those Steelers teams used amphetamines and steroids lol. Advanced analytics can and do also take into account mental make up, drive etc. as well.yeah, i guess the steelers back in the day that won 4 championships used analytics....pfffft....only thing analytics does is give you numbers, it does not measure heart...ie....new england pats...they pull people off the streets and can tell they are football players...they are not using analytics to find them...analytics is complete fucking bullshit.....it only tells you that you should get rid of so and so because he's 33 and is considered old for football...only thing is, that 33 yr old could be capable of playing better for 3-4 more yrs than someone that is drafted because they are young and cannot play one fucking iota of football....analytics does not measure that, that comes from good football people knowing the player and what he is capable of doing
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I think too many people dont understand that analytics is just a tool.....that all teams use.....and is not the only measure of a player....
The Pats may use analytics....but they also have some "football guys" who know wtf they're looking at....
Shashi and Bullychick are a million(ok....a trillion) miles apart in that department.....
I think too many people dont understand that analytics is just a tool.....that all teams use.....and is not the only measure of a player....
The Pats may use analytics....but they also have some "football guys" who know wtf they're looking at....
Shashi and Bullychick are a million(ok....a trillion) miles apart in that department.....
People hear 'analytics' and think it means teams will just take whoever runs the fastest or benches the most - like Al Davis used to do. That we're just gonna wait for the draft and with each pick look up who did best in each event and go with that. "Why don't we just draft football players, waaah waaah waaah" they'll scream. You mean like the winner of the college best receiver award? Or the guys with the most sacks? Carl Nassib isn't a guy that runs fast or benches a ton, but is a high motor, high character guy who produced in college, the exact opposite of what people expect with their narrow-minded view of analytics. On the other hand, Barkevious Mingo is *exactly* the kind of guy they'd expect us to draft, and they cut bait with him before the season started.
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"It's never ok to lose a game"
Nick Saban
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people don't want to see or hear the truth when it's ugly.
like the x files episode where the mother lived underneath the bed and was an incestial pool of breeding illiterate homicidal killers.
if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.
people don't want to see or hear the truth when it's ugly.
like the x files episode where the mother lived underneath the bed and was an incestial pool of breeding illiterate homicidal killers.
if you can't see it, it doesn't exist.
Side note: Supposedly they only allowed that episode to air once.
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someone had made a thread or a post where they discussed the players that the browns have cut or traded. i don't know the circumstances/details of what happened to each guy but i had really nothing to give to that conv at that time (sorta like now).
benjamin. mack. rubin. sheard. skrine. seem to be doing alright. not that those moves were done by this FO but jesus christ when players leave the browns for them it's a positive. when players get traded or signed here it's a death sentence.
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someone had made a thread or a post where they discussed the players that the browns have cut or traded. i don't know the circumstances/details of what happened to each guy but i had really nothing to give to that conv at that time (sorta like now).
benjamin. mack. rubin. sheard. skrine. seem to be doing alright. not that those moves were done by this FO but jesus christ when players leave the browns for them it's a positive. when players get traded or signed here it's a death sentence.
someone had made a thread or a post where they discussed the players that the browns have cut or traded. i don't know the circumstances/details of what happened to each guy but i had really nothing to give to that conv at that time (sorta like now).
benjamin. mack. rubin. sheard. skrine. seem to be doing alright. not that those moves were done by this FO but jesus christ when players leave the browns for them it's a positive. when players get traded or signed here it's a death sentence.
You forgot Ward and Schwartz, btw. If we'd kept those players we would have a pretty solid roster about now, albeit pretty close to the salary cap and without a QB. We'd basically be the Jets, but with a less dominant front.
But what you're forgetting is all the guys we cut (etc) that don't end up anywhere else, or doing much of note. Little, Richardson, Weeden, McFadden, McCoy, Kruger, Mingo, Gipson, Whitner, Gilbert, Manziel, Desir, Jordan Cameron, all guys who started for us but aren't doing anything to shout about right now. Sure, McFadden is a Cowboy and might get a superbowl ring, but it's not like he's the stud of their D. That's not to mention guys who were spot starters and stunk - Oniel Cousins, Montario Hardesty, Phil Taylor, Davone Bess, and the rest.
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someone had made a thread or a post where they discussed the players that the browns have cut or traded. i don't know the circumstances/details of what happened to each guy but i had really nothing to give to that conv at that time (sorta like now).
benjamin. mack. rubin. sheard. skrine. seem to be doing alright. not that those moves were done by this FO but jesus christ when players leave the browns for them it's a positive. when players get traded or signed here it's a death sentence.
You forgot Ward and Schwartz, btw. If we'd kept those players we would have a pretty solid roster about now, albeit pretty close to the salary cap and without a QB. We'd basically be the Jets, but with a less dominant front.
But what you're forgetting is all the guys we cut (etc) that don't end up anywhere else, or doing much of note. Little, Richardson, Weeden, McFadden, McCoy, Kruger, Mingo, Gipson, Whitner, Gilbert, Manziel, Desir, Jordan Cameron, all guys who started for us but aren't doing anything to shout about right now. Sure, McFadden is a Cowboy and might get a superbowl ring, but it's not like he's the stud of their D. That's not to mention guys who were spot starters and stunk - Oniel Cousins, Montario Hardesty, Phil Taylor, Davone Bess, and the rest.
You forgot Ward and Schwartz, btw. If we'd kept those players we would have a pretty solid roster about now, albeit pretty close to the salary cap and without a QB. We'd basically be the Jets, but with a less dominant front.
But what you're forgetting is all the guys we cut (etc) that don't end up anywhere else, or doing much of note. Little, Richardson, Weeden, McFadden, McCoy, Kruger, Mingo, Gipson, Whitner, Gilbert, Manziel, Desir, Jordan Cameron, all guys who started for us but aren't doing anything to shout about right now. Sure, McFadden is a Cowboy and might get a superbowl ring, but it's not like he's the stud of their D. That's not to mention guys who were spot starters and stunk - Oniel Cousins, Montario Hardesty, Phil Taylor, Davone Bess, and the rest.
ouch.
a lot of guys on your list i was high on.
if i were in the brown's FO with my drafting skills i would expect to have been fired the same day manziel went into rehab.
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You forgot Ward and Schwartz, btw. If we'd kept those players we would have a pretty solid roster about now, albeit pretty close to the salary cap and without a QB. We'd basically be the Jets, but with a less dominant front.
But what you're forgetting is all the guys we cut (etc) that don't end up anywhere else, or doing much of note. Little, Richardson, Weeden, McFadden, McCoy, Kruger, Mingo, Gipson, Whitner, Gilbert, Manziel, Desir, Jordan Cameron, all guys who started for us but aren't doing anything to shout about right now. Sure, McFadden is a Cowboy and might get a superbowl ring, but it's not like he's the stud of their D. That's not to mention guys who were spot starters and stunk - Oniel Cousins, Montario Hardesty, Phil Taylor, Davone Bess, and the rest.
ouch.
a lot of guys on your list i was high on.
if i were in the brown's FO with my drafting skills i would expect to have been fired the same day manziel went into rehab.
Yep. And most here would be too. It all just goes to show - it's easy to remember the ones that got away, but you remember all the dross that got cast aside and isn't in the NFL anymore or is lucky to be and you feel a little less depressed!ouch.
a lot of guys on your list i was high on.
if i were in the brown's FO with my drafting skills i would expect to have been fired the same day manziel went into rehab.
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"It's never ok to lose a game"
Nick Saban
"It's never ok to lose a game"
Nick Saban
He's in college. No comparison. And in Saban's first year (when he was building, kinda like we are), he lost to ULM.
After that game, Saban stopped by a gas station. The clerk saw his ring from 2003 and said what's that? Nick said "it's a national championship ring from LSU, and we're gonna bring one here." Clerk goes "not unless we fire that Nick Saban, we're not."
You're the clerk.
And don't try to hit me with Saban quotes.
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Nick Saban was 15-17 as coach of the Dolphins.
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someone had made a thread or a post where they discussed the players that the browns have cut or traded. i don't know the circumstances/details of what happened to each guy but i had really nothing to give to that conv at that time (sorta like now).
benjamin. mack. rubin. sheard. skrine. seem to be doing alright. not that those moves were done by this FO but jesus christ when players leave the browns for them it's a positive. when players get traded or signed here it's a death sentence.
someone had made a thread or a post where they discussed the players that the browns have cut or traded. i don't know the circumstances/details of what happened to each guy but i had really nothing to give to that conv at that time (sorta like now).
benjamin. mack. rubin. sheard. skrine. seem to be doing alright. not that those moves were done by this FO but jesus christ when players leave the browns for them it's a positive. when players get traded or signed here it's a death sentence.
I posted something from what I read that stated that except for Mack....nearly all the guys we let go were doing absolutely no better than the guys we replaced them with. Sheard is not even suiting up. Benjamin has been injured...etc. etc. Taylor Gabriel just now made a couple of good plays..
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"It's never ok to lose a game"
Nick Saban
He's in college. No comparison. And in Saban's first year (when he was building, kinda like we are), he lost to ULM.
After that game, Saban stopped by a gas station. The clerk saw his ring from 2003 and said what's that? Nick said "it's a national championship ring from LSU, and we're gonna bring one here." Clerk goes "not unless we fire that Nick Saban, we're not."
You're the clerk.
And don't try to hit me with Saban quotes.
He's in college. No comparison. And in Saban's first year (when he was building, kinda like we are), he lost to ULM.
After that game, Saban stopped by a gas station. The clerk saw his ring from 2003 and said what's that? Nick said "it's a national championship ring from LSU, and we're gonna bring one here." Clerk goes "not unless we fire that Nick Saban, we're not."
You're the clerk.
And don't try to hit me with Saban quotes.
Saban must have inhaled the fumes from that gas station, because ever since he has been getting HiGH.
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"It's never ok to lose a game"
Nick Saban
He's in college. No comparison. And in Saban's first year (when he was building, kinda like we are), he lost to ULM.
After that game, Saban stopped by a gas station. The clerk saw his ring from 2003 and said what's that? Nick said "it's a national championship ring from LSU, and we're gonna bring one here." Clerk goes "not unless we fire that Nick Saban, we're not."
You're the clerk.
And don't try to hit me with Saban quotes.
I shared a quote I liked. It was not directed towards a weirdgogrow or whatever you go by. You think way too highly of yourself for a kidHe's in college. No comparison. And in Saban's first year (when he was building, kinda like we are), he lost to ULM.
After that game, Saban stopped by a gas station. The clerk saw his ring from 2003 and said what's that? Nick said "it's a national championship ring from LSU, and we're gonna bring one here." Clerk goes "not unless we fire that Nick Saban, we're not."
You're the clerk.
And don't try to hit me with Saban quotes.
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So, as a pro HC, Hue is now 8-20 overall. Is the glass half full? Or half empty?
Sorry to be a downer but I'm seeing it half empty. Other than Pryor, no star power players ...yet. no improvement in the team. Nearly last in most stats. Our QB gets decked while our guys stand around with nary a thought of protecting their QB. Pathetic. And I know we can't just shitcan this current bunch. I hope I'm wrong about what I'm seeing, hearing and reading and that they can change the culture from losing to winning. Right now though,that culture seems to be Limburger.
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True... for starters because Bill and Sashi have nowhere near the same role in their respective FOs.
Bill B is not the Pats' analytics guy. What Bill is, is a guy who knows what he wants in a player.
Honestly thought Bill was the final say guy there.....thinking so....And I had Depo as our analytics guy(not Sashi)....
So....in my world.....Bill says who they pick.....as does Shashi....and both rely on someone else to provide them the info.....
And, in consensus, they are good....but if someone has to make the call....it's Bill & Sashi.....
Im guessing our football knowledge guy has to be Hue.....which Im not crazy about....but who else could it be?
Honestly thought Bill was the final say guy there.....thinking so....And I had Depo as our analytics guy(not Sashi)....
So....in my world.....Bill says who they pick.....as does Shashi....and both rely on someone else to provide them the info.....
And, in consensus, they are good....but if someone has to make the call....it's Bill & Sashi.....
Im guessing our football knowledge guy has to be Hue.....which Im not crazy about....but who else could it be?
Bill does have final say... but he's not the Pats' analytics guy. That's been Ernie Adams since 2000. Same guy that was an Assistant Coach under Bill during his Browns stint. I think it is safe to say he knows the kinds of players Bill likes and finds them... ditto the Pats' scouts.
Hue's undoubtedly one of our knowledge guys, especially when it comes to current player evaluations. But we have heads of pro and collegiate scouting that get in those roles as well.
DePo is our analytics guru. Sashi has past exposure to the analytics side of the game.
Sashi is not a football guy per se... he's a facilitating administrator there to build consensus. There may be times when he exercises his prerogative to place one argument over another and make a call to take, or pass on, a player, but I'm guessing those times are rare.
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So, as a pro HC, Hue is now 8-20 overall. Is the glass half full? Or half empty?
Sorry to be a downer but I'm seeing it half empty. Other than Pryor, no star power players ...yet. no improvement in the team. Nearly last in most stats. Our QB gets decked while our guys stand around with nary a thought of protecting their QB. Pathetic. And I know we can't just shitcan this current bunch. I hope I'm wrong about what I'm seeing, hearing and reading and that they can change the culture from losing to winning. Right now though,that culture seems to be Limburger.
unfortunately on this forum being a realist in these and past times of garbage football you ARE labeled a downer or whiner or.....
Our QB gets decked while our guys stand around with nary a thought of protecting their QB. Pathetic.
ever notice that the highlight reels for RBs, WRs and hell just other teams in general that they air on every national sports show seems to show players in slo-mo just running through the browns defense like as if moses parted the red sea and the chariots came blowing through? one that really upset me was (?) bell going into the end zone basically untouched and our defenders looked as though they didn't want to get a speck of dirt on the ugly ass uniforms (another thing opposing fans find laughable). i mean not one player decided to try and stop him as though they didn't want to ruin their manicures.
i get the no talent argument (which falls squarely on this org's FO's shoulders), but to have players just give up and pack it in like they're late for a tee time is totally unacceptable from the coaching staff. yank the bums off the field by their face masks and make an example of them. then maybe you'll garner some respect.
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Out of our 53 man roster, maybe 8 belong in the NFL, the rest are down right awful, missed tackles, people not even trying to tackle (just standing there watching the other team score) And it all has to start some where, The coach didn't notice this in practice or pre season? They are really going to tank just to get another draft pick to trade away? Hue can get all upset and cry all he wants but for him to say how hungry or hard working this team is, is garbage. There is NO way that D trys to do anything besides lose.
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I shared a quote I liked. It was not directed towards a weirdgogrow or whatever you go by. You think way too highly of yourself for a kidHe's in college. No comparison. And in Saban's first year (when he was building, kinda like we are), he lost to ULM.
After that game, Saban stopped by a gas station. The clerk saw his ring from 2003 and said what's that? Nick said "it's a national championship ring from LSU, and we're gonna bring one here." Clerk goes "not unless we fire that Nick Saban, we're not."
You're the clerk.
And don't try to hit me with Saban quotes.
I shared a quote I liked. It was not directed towards a weirdgogrow or whatever you go by. You think way too highly of yourself for a kid
Well your quote has no relevance to the Browns right now.
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