The Draft Grades Are In
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The thing about this draft is we won't have to wait 3 years to know if this was a good draft.
Mack starts day one, 2 of the 3 players we got from the Jets should start or at least see significant time, and the receivers we picked up should be major contributors. Add in the wild card in James Davis, and we should know something pretty quick.
It's funny. I remember Savage talking about how a team doesn't have to hit homeruns, it just needed lot's of singles and doubles, yet he always seemed to be swinging for the fence, and now Mangini and Kokinis come in and start doing what Savage talked about.
Very refreshing...IMO this draft made us significantly better this past weekend.
Big thumbs up in this corner.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. -
heck, they only need 1.5 starters to ante up to Savage.....
this might end up being the best draft since the return if they get 2 to start and 1 to contribute, all in kok/man year 1.
steeler nation isn't even talking any shit irl down here. (it's still early though).
i might actually wear something orange this year.
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heck, they only need 1.5 starters to ante up to Savage.....
this might end up being the best draft since the return if they get 2 to start and 1 to contribute, all in kok/man year 1.
steeler nation isn't even talking any shit irl down here. (it's still early though).
i might actually wear something orange this year.
heck, they only need 1.5 starters to ante up to Savage.....
this might end up being the best draft since the return if they get 2 to start and 1 to contribute, all in kok/man year 1.
steeler nation isn't even talking any shit irl down here. (it's still early though).
i might actually wear something orange this year.
Over the weekend I noticed some threads that were started by trolls were deleted. Nice.
We actually got to discuss Browns stuff w/o the Peanut Gallery.
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heck, they only need 1.5 starters to ante up to Savage.....
this might end up being the best draft since the return if they get 2 to start and 1 to contribute, all in kok/man year 1.
steeler nation isn't even talking any shit irl down here. (it's still early though).
i might actually wear something orange this year.
Over the weekend I noticed some threads that were started by trolls were deleted. Nice.
We actually got to discuss Browns stuff w/o the Peanut Gallery.
Over the weekend I noticed some threads that were started by trolls were deleted. Nice.
We actually got to discuss Browns stuff w/o the Peanut Gallery.
i've never had a thread or a post deleted on this board ever. or any of the other two before this one.
got something to say? say it plainly so i can make sure i understand you perfectly.
so far it sounds like you had a little circle jerk with your buddies when your parents weren't home.
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I too like this draft. I'd go for a B/B+.
I like the picks of Mack and Robiskie (not an OSU fan AT ALL) who are NFL ready from day one. I've said ti a few times on here that the second WR pick caught me off guard but when you are as thin at WR as we are...you gotta do something.
I also love the Veikune pick. Funny to see people rip this pick because they know little about him. He is versatile, unselfish, has an extremely high motor, and fits a great need for us.
Toss in the addition of a starting SS in Elam, who I liked a lot from last year. A backup QB that is NOT DA and a starter/rotation DE. Solid draft.
No homerun hits like people like to see but an extremely solid one.
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I too like this draft. I'd go for a B/B+.
I like the picks of Mack and Robiskie (not an OSU fan AT ALL) who are NFL ready from day one. I've said ti a few times on here that the second WR pick caught me off guard but when you are as thin at WR as we are...you gotta do something.
I also love the Veikune pick. Funny to see people rip this pick because they know little about him. He is versatile, unselfish, has an extremely high motor, and fits a great need for us.
Toss in the addition of a starting SS in Elam, who I liked a lot from last year. A backup QB that is NOT DA and a starter/rotation DE. Solid draft.
No homerun hits like people like to see but an extremely solid one.
I too like this draft. I'd go for a B/B+.
I like the picks of Mack and Robiskie (not an OSU fan AT ALL) who are NFL ready from day one. I've said ti a few times on here that the second WR pick caught me off guard but when you are as thin at WR as we are...you gotta do something.
I also love the Veikune pick. Funny to see people rip this pick because they know little about him. He is versatile, unselfish, has an extremely high motor, and fits a great need for us.
Toss in the addition of a starting SS in Elam, who I liked a lot from last year. A backup QB that is NOT DA and a starter/rotation DE. Solid draft.
No homerun hits like people like to see but an extremely solid one.
Next year we can afford to take some chances, I love what we did this year.
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I too like this draft. I'd go for a B/B+.
I like the picks of Mack and Robiskie (not an OSU fan AT ALL) who are NFL ready from day one. I've said ti a few times on here that the second WR pick caught me off guard but when you are as thin at WR as we are...you gotta do something.
I also love the Veikune pick. Funny to see people rip this pick because they know little about him. He is versatile, unselfish, has an extremely high motor, and fits a great need for us.
Toss in the addition of a starting SS in Elam, who I liked a lot from last year. A backup QB that is NOT DA and a starter/rotation DE. Solid draft.
No homerun hits like people like to see but an extremely solid one.
Next year we can afford to take some chances, I love what we did this year.
AdaM said:
Next year we can afford to take some chances, I love what we did this year.We took some chances this year.....guys like Carey and Francies are bust or boom type guys.
We did a great job this year.
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from Sports-Central.org:
Cleveland Browns — The most active team on the first day of the draft, the Browns traded down three times and made four selections on the first day, netting some solid players who should contribute immediately, but no obvious high-impact playmakers. The most interesting acquisitions weren't draft picks, but the players acquired by trading the fifth overall selection to the Jets: backup QB Brett Ratliff, DB Abram Elam, and DE Kenyon Coleman. This wasn't a flashy draft, but if the cards fall correctly, the Browns may have addressed a lot of problems on Saturday. On the other hand, it's also possible that the team added a bunch of backups and special teamers when it needed to draft a star.
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@jadbf said:
he was merely talking about steeler trolls I would guess...calm down...
don't take Kris too seriously, he was up all night. 
had his fangs in too i see.....
we're twins. just smile, he'll go away.
Bill
yes i threw you under the bus. deal.
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@jadbf said:
he was merely talking about steeler trolls I would guess...calm down...Sorry I wasn't clear. Some Steely Mcbeamer/Village People types stopped by the board at least 2 or 3 times over the weekend and posted some typical troll crapola. It got deleted. Thought it was rather nice. No Peanut Gallery for a change.
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I don't want to be a dick but I really hate these draft grades.
I'm excited about the guys we drafted, as well as the guys we picked up. Overall I think it was a good weekend. However I don't understand how you can really grade a draft?
These kids haven't played a snap in the NFL yet.
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heck, they only need 1.5 starters to ante up to Savage.....
this might end up being the best draft since the return if they get 2 to start and 1 to contribute, all in kok/man year 1.
steeler nation isn't even talking any shit irl down here. (it's still early though).
i might actually wear something orange this year.
Over the weekend I noticed some threads that were started by trolls were deleted. Nice.
We actually got to discuss Browns stuff w/o the Peanut Gallery.
Over the weekend I noticed some threads that were started by trolls were deleted. Nice.
We actually got to discuss Browns stuff w/o the Peanut Gallery.
First and foremost the deleting of posts is BS. I wasn't trolling yesterday or the day before and my posts were being deleted because one of the admis apparently enjoys wrongfully censoring the posts of others. Either way I think the Stains did pretty well. A good percentage of the Pittsburgh fan base wanted Mack at 32 but plenty are more than happy with Ziggy Hood to bolster our finely aged defensive line. Robiskie was/is the most polished WR in the draft and a student of the game. Great pick up in my opinion. I don't really have an opinion on Massaquoi but he was solid for Georgia. I think Edwards gets traded and you either get a player for this year or draft picks for next. You also according to a few NFL sources will have a problem if you go in to TC with 3 QB's competing for snaps. The media seems to think that either Quinn or Anderson are going to take a walk which could lead to more draft picks or someone to contribute immediately. It appears the Stains are on the right track but as most of you learned last season it's never a good idea to get the cart before the horse so the "SUPER BOWL" predictions will likely be tempered over this way this season...at least one would hope lol.
Good draft guys. However it seems the entire AFC north did pretty well in the draft department. As far as the Steelers are concerned we had a solid draft from top to bottom and picked up some good UDFA's. We also still have Mendenhall and Sweed who should both really contribute this year. It's going to be another good season in the NFL.
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Over the weekend I noticed some threads that were started by trolls were deleted. Nice.
We actually got to discuss Browns stuff w/o the Peanut Gallery.
First and foremost the deleting of posts is BS. I wasn't trolling yesterday or the day before and my posts were being deleted because one of the admis apparently enjoys wrongfully censoring the posts of others. Either way I think the Stains did pretty well. A good percentage of the Pittsburgh fan base wanted Mack at 32 but plenty are more than happy with Ziggy Hood to bolster our finely aged defensive line. Robiskie was/is the most polished WR in the draft and a student of the game. Great pick up in my opinion. I don't really have an opinion on Massaquoi but he was solid for Georgia. I think Edwards gets traded and you either get a player for this year or draft picks for next. You also according to a few NFL sources will have a problem if you go in to TC with 3 QB's competing for snaps. The media seems to think that either Quinn or Anderson are going to take a walk which could lead to more draft picks or someone to contribute immediately. It appears the Stains are on the right track but as most of you learned last season it's never a good idea to get the cart before the horse so the "SUPER BOWL" predictions will likely be tempered over this way this season...at least one would hope lol.
Good draft guys. However it seems the entire AFC north did pretty well in the draft department. As far as the Steelers are concerned we had a solid draft from top to bottom and picked up some good UDFA's. We also still have Mendenhall and Sweed who should both really contribute this year. It's going to be another good season in the NFL.
First and foremost the deleting of posts is BS. I wasn't trolling yesterday or the day before and my posts were being deleted because one of the admis apparently enjoys wrongfully censoring the posts of others. Either way I think the Stains did pretty well. A good percentage of the Pittsburgh fan base wanted Mack at 32 but plenty are more than happy with Ziggy Hood to bolster our finely aged defensive line. Robiskie was/is the most polished WR in the draft and a student of the game. Great pick up in my opinion. I don't really have an opinion on Massaquoi but he was solid for Georgia. I think Edwards gets traded and you either get a player for this year or draft picks for next. You also according to a few NFL sources will have a problem if you go in to TC with 3 QB's competing for snaps. The media seems to think that either Quinn or Anderson are going to take a walk which could lead to more draft picks or someone to contribute immediately. It appears the Stains are on the right track but as most of you learned last season it's never a good idea to get the cart before the horse so the "SUPER BOWL" predictions will likely be tempered over this way this season...at least one would hope lol.
Good draft guys. However it seems the entire AFC north did pretty well in the draft department. As far as the Steelers are concerned we had a solid draft from top to bottom and picked up some good UDFA's. We also still have Mendenhall and Sweed who should both really contribute this year. It's going to be another good season in the NFL.
Just imagine if you had our line to run those two behind
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First and foremost the deleting of posts is BS. I wasn't trolling yesterday or the day before and my posts were being deleted because one of the admis apparently enjoys wrongfully censoring the posts of others. Either way I think the Stains did pretty well. A good percentage of the Pittsburgh fan base wanted Mack at 32 but plenty are more than happy with Ziggy Hood to bolster our finely aged defensive line. Robiskie was/is the most polished WR in the draft and a student of the game. Great pick up in my opinion. I don't really have an opinion on Massaquoi but he was solid for Georgia. I think Edwards gets traded and you either get a player for this year or draft picks for next. You also according to a few NFL sources will have a problem if you go in to TC with 3 QB's competing for snaps. The media seems to think that either Quinn or Anderson are going to take a walk which could lead to more draft picks or someone to contribute immediately. It appears the Stains are on the right track but as most of you learned last season it's never a good idea to get the cart before the horse so the "SUPER BOWL" predictions will likely be tempered over this way this season...at least one would hope lol.
Good draft guys. However it seems the entire AFC north did pretty well in the draft department. As far as the Steelers are concerned we had a solid draft from top to bottom and picked up some good UDFA's. We also still have Mendenhall and Sweed who should both really contribute this year. It's going to be another good season in the NFL.
Just imagine if you had our line to run those two behind
AdaM said:
Just imagine if you had our line to run those two behindAgreed. Definitely a solid line. However after the Playoffs last season I'm not worried about ours. We picked up solid depth in the draft and have a few interesting prospects from last years draft that may emerge. Either way the Stains have a beastly offensive line.
The Steelers did draft the Bus 2.0 in Frank "THE TANK" Summers so holes or not he'll be making em. I just hate that we have to now wait for the preseason but more importantly the actual season which is SO DAMN FAR AWAY.
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Early reviews look good for Browns' draft
by Plain Dealer staff
Monday April 27, 2009, 3:59 AM
MSNBC.com - Grade: A-
-likes the moves by new coach Eric Mangini
Eric Mangini hasn't made many fans in Cleveland, but this weekend should help win them over. They brilliantly moved down the draft board, grabbing three extra picks and three veterans. This was the perfect strategy for a thin roster in a deep draft without stars. Center Alex Mack, wideout Brian Robiskie, and OLB David Veikune all should help right away. Fourth-rounder Kaluka Maiava could be a steal out of USC. link
CBS Sports.com's Pete Prisco - Grade: C
-is not as impressed
I love the pick of receiver Brian Robiskie in the second round. He will be a starter as a rookie. Questionable move: Trading down as much as they did and not quite getting the value they deserved. The Jets got the better of them in that deal for the fifth pick. link
Mel Kiper's take - Grade: B-
Alex Mack was a good pick at No. 21 and Mohamed Massaquoi was a very good pickup in the second round. I think fellow second-rounder David Veikune was a bit of a reach in that round, but not enough of one to seriously dent the Browns' grade. They didn't get a great receiver in Brian Robiskie in the second round, but he's polished enough as a rookie that he could be a solid possession guy for this franchise
Bleacherreport.com - Grade: B
-but it still has a few questions,
They traded down... and down... and down again... and then they drafted a center? There was a time when the Browns didn't have many picks in this draft. They ended up having three in the second round and used them all very, very well. ... The real million dollar question is, with Robiskie and Massaquoi coming into camp, where does that leave the underperforming (and overpaid) Braylon Edwards? link
San Diego Union-Tribune - Grade: B+
Bland no longer, the Browns hop-scotched through the opening round, three times trading down before choosing Alex Mack, a center. Gaining WR Brian Robiskie was a nice move. link
USA Today - Grade: B
Cleveland Browns: Creative deal-making allowed the Browns to load up on picks and players from the New York Jets that coach Eric Mangini likes. C Alex Mack was the best at his position, solidifies problem area, but may have gone a tad early at 21. Both receivers, Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, will contribute quickly and Robiskie may start. LB/DE David Veikune may lack a true position, should get first look as rush end in 4-3 sub package. link
Early reviews look good for Browns' draft
by Plain Dealer staff
Monday April 27, 2009, 3:59 AM
MSNBC.com - Grade: A-
-likes the moves by new coach Eric Mangini
Eric Mangini hasn't made many fans in Cleveland, but this weekend should help win them over. They brilliantly moved down the draft board, grabbing three extra picks and three veterans. This was the perfect strategy for a thin roster in a deep draft without stars. Center Alex Mack, wideout Brian Robiskie, and OLB David Veikune all should help right away. Fourth-rounder Kaluka Maiava could be a steal out of USC. link
CBS Sports.com's Pete Prisco - Grade: C
-is not as impressed
I love the pick of receiver Brian Robiskie in the second round. He will be a starter as a rookie. Questionable move: Trading down as much as they did and not quite getting the value they deserved. The Jets got the better of them in that deal for the fifth pick. link
Mel Kiper's take - Grade: B-
Alex Mack was a good pick at No. 21 and Mohamed Massaquoi was a very good pickup in the second round. I think fellow second-rounder David Veikune was a bit of a reach in that round, but not enough of one to seriously dent the Browns' grade. They didn't get a great receiver in Brian Robiskie in the second round, but he's polished enough as a rookie that he could be a solid possession guy for this franchise
Bleacherreport.com - Grade: B
-but it still has a few questions,
They traded down... and down... and down again... and then they drafted a center? There was a time when the Browns didn't have many picks in this draft. They ended up having three in the second round and used them all very, very well. ... The real million dollar question is, with Robiskie and Massaquoi coming into camp, where does that leave the underperforming (and overpaid) Braylon Edwards? link
San Diego Union-Tribune - Grade: B+
Bland no longer, the Browns hop-scotched through the opening round, three times trading down before choosing Alex Mack, a center. Gaining WR Brian Robiskie was a nice move. link
USA Today - Grade: B
Cleveland Browns: Creative deal-making allowed the Browns to load up on picks and players from the New York Jets that coach Eric Mangini likes. C Alex Mack was the best at his position, solidifies problem area, but may have gone a tad early at 21. Both receivers, Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, will contribute quickly and Robiskie may start. LB/DE David Veikune may lack a true position, should get first look as rush end in 4-3 sub package. link
Ocon, you win the gentleman's bet. I bow to you sir.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote! - "Ben Franklin" -
The Browns did well... I was in that Camp who wanted Alex Mack he will be a Solid Center for years. I do however like Ziggy that's a Need we have ignored the past few yrs. We did get Shipley and he will eventually be a Solid Center also. I Like Robiskie and Massaquoi I would keep Edwards that makes your Passing game very Formidable ( If your QB can Deliver it) We will see. Congrats on a Solid Draft. Wont say you have closed that gap yet , but its a sloid effort by the manGenius !
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I disagree with the assessment that Mack and Veikune were reaches for the following reasons:
1) Mack is not a reach at #21 if he's the highest-rated center and there's thought that he'll be gone by the time the Browns pick at #36. Hell, it's the same logic the Jets employed to go get Sanchez.
2) Veikune may not have been a projected second-rounder, but ask the draftniks if he would have been there for the Browns' FOURTH round pick and they all probably would have said no. So he's not a reach if that's the guy you want with your next pick.
The only part of the Browns' draft that I question is the back-to-back drafting of receivers. It just seemed like a bit of overkill. I have no doubts about Robiskie's ability, but I do to an extent about Massaquoi (strength, hands). Otherwise, I give this draft a B.
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Over the weekend I noticed some threads that were started by trolls were deleted. Nice.
We actually got to discuss Browns stuff w/o the Peanut Gallery.
First and foremost the deleting of posts is BS. I wasn't trolling yesterday or the day before and my posts were being deleted because one of the admis apparently enjoys wrongfully censoring the posts of others. Either way I think the Stains did pretty well. A good percentage of the Pittsburgh fan base wanted Mack at 32 but plenty are more than happy with Ziggy Hood to bolster our finely aged defensive line. Robiskie was/is the most polished WR in the draft and a student of the game. Great pick up in my opinion. I don't really have an opinion on Massaquoi but he was solid for Georgia. I think Edwards gets traded and you either get a player for this year or draft picks for next. You also according to a few NFL sources will have a problem if you go in to TC with 3 QB's competing for snaps. The media seems to think that either Quinn or Anderson are going to take a walk which could lead to more draft picks or someone to contribute immediately. It appears the Stains are on the right track but as most of you learned last season it's never a good idea to get the cart before the horse so the "SUPER BOWL" predictions will likely be tempered over this way this season...at least one would hope lol.
Good draft guys. However it seems the entire AFC north did pretty well in the draft department. As far as the Steelers are concerned we had a solid draft from top to bottom and picked up some good UDFA's. We also still have Mendenhall and Sweed who should both really contribute this year. It's going to be another good season in the NFL.
First and foremost the deleting of posts is BS. I wasn't trolling yesterday or the day before and my posts were being deleted because one of the admis apparently enjoys wrongfully censoring the posts of others.
I really don't believe your opinion about deleting of posts matters. It still isn't your board. The admin. or whomever they have designated to moderate will delete as they see fit regardless of your opinion. It still isn't your board. They can delete anything I might post also. It isn't my board either. My opinion about deleting doesn't matter either.
The trolls I referred to were starting new (pointless) threads with memberships that appeared to be less than 24 hours old. They were trolling just for the sake of trolling. You should be happy your Steelers point of view gets the tolerance it does get.
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AdaM said:
Just imagine if you had our line to run those two behindAgreed. Definitely a solid line. However after the Playoffs last season I'm not worried about ours. We picked up solid depth in the draft and have a few interesting prospects from last years draft that may emerge. Either way the Stains have a beastly offensive line.
The Steelers did draft the Bus 2.0 in Frank "THE TANK" Summers so holes or not he'll be making em. I just hate that we have to now wait for the preseason but more importantly the actual season which is SO DAMN FAR AWAY.
Agreed. Definitely a solid line. However after the Playoffs last season I'm not worried about ours. We picked up solid depth in the draft and have a few interesting prospects from last years draft that may emerge. Either way the Stains have a beastly offensive line.
The Steelers did draft the Bus 2.0 in Frank "THE TANK" Summers so holes or not he'll be making em. I just hate that we have to now wait for the preseason but more importantly the actual season which is SO DAMN FAR AWAY.
You want to wish the rest of this glorious spring, summer and fall (as well as your so called life) away to watch your football team. I wouldn't be surprised if you posted on every NFL board to brag about your Sqeelers. Please leave us alone, you are not welcome here IMO.
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