Thinking about the draft, first two picks...arguing with myself...
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browning is a sophomore now. so why wouldn't he be eligible in 2018? Mik
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Because if he stays in school his senior year... it would be the 2019 draft.
if he could come out as a soph. 2017
junior 2018
senior 2019
He's really impressive, but the Browns aren't going to go qb-less in the draft til then.
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Browning has not appeared in any of the QB draft rankings....so he must not be eligible....from what I can tell.
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he won't be eligible until after his junior year which would be 2018, if he declares.
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I think we'll pick the best QB available with the #1 pick in the draft.
I've said before that our team has become unwatchable.
Unless you are a die-hard Browns fan (which people on message boards are)...or a fan of the other team....you will NOT be leaving your TV dial on a Browns game.
We have a lot of empty seats showing up at games.
We have a lot of the opponents jerseys filling the better seats in the stadium.....looks bad on TV (not that anyone is watching).
We lose every game. Our stats are at the bottom of the league in most categories.
There really is NO ONE on our team to watch.
Haslam is going to want someone to be a reason for watching his team. That type of person is a QB. A TOP OF THE DRAFT QB.
......of course, I could be wrong........but as I type, this is what I truly believe will be the case. (based on current conditions)
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It's funny that you compare him to Rodgers... he actually stated in an interview that he models his game like Rodgers. He see's himself projected to play like Aaron Rodgers in the NFL. That's the confidence we need. He has it all, all the tools, the leadership and the drive to be a franchise QB. One year of gametape at the college level is all that has been needed to identify his skill set and project him to the number 1 overall draft pick. He can be our QB of the future.
Pencil me in on Trubisky for our first pick. The more I watch on the kid the more solid he gets. I see shades of Derek Carr- LOL.
I would then trade the farm to San Francisco to acquire their #2 overall pick. These anal statistic guys should know that there is another franchise player there for the taking and with the number of young and unproven players already on board, now would be the time to strike and consolidate all those numbers to inject that blue chip player to the team.
Depending on what we had to relinquish to acquire #2 we then go OL, DL or S, fix that, can't have teams taking shots on our new QB.
From there, who knows? Who cares at that point, it's a crapshoot in the later rounds. You make up the lost selections in the draft in free agency and with the Browns at around 100 millions dollars of free cap space next season it's time for some young seasoned difference makers.
We have a full team, a lot of these players just need TIME to develop fully. Adding a Franchise QB and a Defensive monster, resigning Collins, activating Scooby Wright, getting Josh Gordon back, resigning Pryor. So many positives to name, I'm ready for next season already!
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you want to wait two years to draft a qb?
no, wait, he's not listed the site I looked at... for 2018.
but he is listed for 2019.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2019/QB
6'1", 209. good grief, let's wait three years to draft him? come on, man.
I'm fine with a trade for qb, if it's the right guy, but that is cheating when
doing a mock draft.
you want to wait two years to draft a qb?
no, wait, he's not listed the site I looked at... for 2018.
but he is listed for 2019.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2019/QB
6'1", 209. good grief, let's wait three years to draft him? come on, man.
I'm fine with a trade for qb, if it's the right guy, but that is cheating when
doing a mock draft.
Regarding that mock- I saw Kizer is a red shirt sophomore- meaning he could declare for the 2017 draft if he wants to. If the Browns draft him I WILL puke this time around.
We're not waiting another year to draft a qb.
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It's funny that you compare him to Rodgers... he actually stated in an interview that he models his game like Rodgers. He see's himself projected to play like Aaron Rodgers in the NFL. That's the confidence we need. He has it all, all the tools, the leadership and the drive to be a franchise QB. One year of gametape at the college level is all that has been needed to identify his skill set and project him to the number 1 overall draft pick. He can be our QB of the future.
Pencil me in on Trubisky for our first pick. The more I watch on the kid the more solid he gets. I see shades of Derek Carr- LOL.
I would then trade the farm to San Francisco to acquire their #2 overall pick. These anal statistic guys should know that there is another franchise player there for the taking and with the number of young and unproven players already on board, now would be the time to strike and consolidate all those numbers to inject that blue chip player to the team.
Depending on what we had to relinquish to acquire #2 we then go OL, DL or S, fix that, can't have teams taking shots on our new QB.
From there, who knows? Who cares at that point, it's a crapshoot in the later rounds. You make up the lost selections in the draft in free agency and with the Browns at around 100 millions dollars of free cap space next season it's time for some young seasoned difference makers.
We have a full team, a lot of these players just need TIME to develop fully. Adding a Franchise QB and a Defensive monster, resigning Collins, activating Scooby Wright, getting Josh Gordon back, resigning Pryor. So many positives to name, I'm ready for next season already!
I would then trade the farm to San Francisco to acquire their #2 overall pick.
From there, who knows? Who cares at that point, it's a crapshoot in the later rounds. You make up the lost selections in the draft in free agency and with the Browns at around 100 millions dollars of free cap space next season it's time for some young seasoned difference makers.
Crapshoot? After you "trade the farm" how do you have the "capital" to even get in the game? At a minimum you can forget Day 2... the place the value picks are found.
Where did the $100mm in cap space figure come from? Per OverTheCap it's $65mm and you just spent $10-11mm on your first two picks so you've $55mm left.
But before you go shopping for outside FAs... who among our 22 FAs do you want to retain? Here's a sampling of those included in the 22...
Cooper, Paea, Pryor, Paztor.... Colquitt, Gordon, Collins, Taylor... Poyer, Meder, Crow, Wynn...
With the exception of Cooper, and we'll start seeing Cooper Sunday, all have been contributors in our recent past whose retention should be desirable.
I get where you are coming from, but your approach does not stand up under scrutiny... IMO...
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I think we'll pick the best QB available with the #1 pick in the draft.
I've said before that our team has become unwatchable.
Unless you are a die-hard Browns fan (which people on message boards are)...or a fan of the other team....you will NOT be leaving your TV dial on a Browns game.
We have a lot of empty seats showing up at games.
We have a lot of the opponents jerseys filling the better seats in the stadium.....looks bad on TV (not that anyone is watching).
We lose every game. Our stats are at the bottom of the league in most categories.
There really is NO ONE on our team to watch.
Haslam is going to want someone to be a reason for watching his team. That type of person is a QB. A TOP OF THE DRAFT QB.
......of course, I could be wrong........but as I type, this is what I truly believe will be the case. (based on current conditions)
I think we'll pick the best QB available with the #1 pick in the draft.
I've said before that our team has become unwatchable.
Unless you are a die-hard Browns fan (which people on message boards are)...or a fan of the other team....you will NOT be leaving your TV dial on a Browns game.
We have a lot of empty seats showing up at games.
We have a lot of the opponents jerseys filling the better seats in the stadium.....looks bad on TV (not that anyone is watching).
We lose every game. Our stats are at the bottom of the league in most categories.
There really is NO ONE on our team to watch.
Haslam is going to want someone to be a reason for watching his team. That type of person is a QB. A TOP OF THE DRAFT QB.
......of course, I could be wrong........but as I type, this is what I truly believe will be the case. (based on current conditions)
And...of course, the local product ..and #1 rated QB prospect will add to the reason for people to watch this team.
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I think we'll pick the best QB available with the #1 pick in the draft.
I've said before that our team has become unwatchable.
Unless you are a die-hard Browns fan (which people on message boards are)...or a fan of the other team....you will NOT be leaving your TV dial on a Browns game.
We have a lot of empty seats showing up at games.
We have a lot of the opponents jerseys filling the better seats in the stadium.....looks bad on TV (not that anyone is watching).
We lose every game. Our stats are at the bottom of the league in most categories.
There really is NO ONE on our team to watch.
Haslam is going to want someone to be a reason for watching his team. That type of person is a QB. A TOP OF THE DRAFT QB.
......of course, I could be wrong........but as I type, this is what I truly believe will be the case. (based on current conditions)
And...of course, the local product ..and #1 rated QB prospect will add to the reason for people to watch this team.
And...of course, the local product ..and #1 rated QB prospect will add to the reason for people to watch this team.
Not while he's playing from his hospital bed.
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And...of course, the local product ..and #1 rated QB prospect will add to the reason for people to watch this team.
Not while he's playing from his hospital bed.
Not while he's playing from his hospital bed.
It's why were drafting Elflin at center, and I wouldn't even mind a trade down in the first with the Eagle's pick to get an extra second rounder in the process. Right now Walter Football has him going #62 to the Patriots. Equals (projection) us having #1 overall, a low first rounder, and three in the second. Interested Ag?
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What picks would they be giving us next year? Another 2nd or a late first?
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And...of course, the local product ..and #1 rated QB prospect will add to the reason for people to watch this team.
Not while he's playing from his hospital bed.
Not while he's playing from his hospital bed.
But if we pick QB with #1 overall.....we still have the Eagles 1st rounder.......and 2 second rounders......and the first pick in the 3rd round.
And in theory we'll get Bitonio back, and Greco...and that center that played fairly well for a couple of games before getting hurt and going on IR.
And if we wind up with the #1 pick....and decide that we want the QB....then we can go into free agency knowing that.
The wild card is, of course, our Harvard Geek Squad. What will their slide rule Ouija board tell them to do with our #1 overall pick?????
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I'd want another second (or a first next year) and a late first. Totally speculative on how far we'd have to move down.
Per the old chart, the one you want to use when trading down, you should get that deal trading from #12 down to #20 or 21.
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Don't get the fascination with the NC quarterback. Might want to look to the northwest if youre serious about drafting a QB.
ha. You mean Brady Gustafson? He's an amazing kid....a late round project.
a poor man's Kosar, without the brilliance in reading defenses....
http://www.qbmecca.com/brady-gustafson-not-next-fcs-star-quarterback/
or, more likely, you mean Mason Rudolph... he's very interesting, but not pro ready....some talk
about him getting into the first round... he isn't ready either...
https://withthefirstpick.com/2016/08/16/2017-nfl-draft-oklahoma-state-mason-rudolph-scouting-report/
ha. You mean Brady Gustafson? He's an amazing kid....a late round project.
a poor man's Kosar, without the brilliance in reading defenses....
http://www.qbmecca.com/brady-gustafson-not-next-fcs-star-quarterback/
or, more likely, you mean Mason Rudolph... he's very interesting, but not pro ready....some talk
about him getting into the first round... he isn't ready either...
https://withthefirstpick.com/2016/08/16/2017-nfl-draft-oklahoma-state-mason-rudolph-scouting-report/
Knock the Rudolph shit out. I need him back in Stillwater next year.
I've been doing this in every thread and will continue to do so until he decides to come back. Until then, I need everyone to do me a solid and keep his name out your mouths.
-Thanks from every OSU (the real one) grad.
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sorry, I'll fix it immediately.
I love the idea of Elflein being a Cleveland Brown. If he would just not be
such a terrific player, he could fall to the second round. I'm interested
in Mr. Hoorta's idea about trading down with that second first round pick.
A third pick in the second round could be priceless. and it should still net us
Elfie.
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ha. You mean Brady Gustafson? He's an amazing kid....a late round project.
a poor man's Kosar, without the brilliance in reading defenses....
http://www.qbmecca.com/brady-gustafson-not-next-fcs-star-quarterback/
or, more likely, you mean Mason Rudolph... he's very interesting, but not pro ready....some talk
about him getting into the first round... he isn't ready either...
https://withthefirstpick.com/2016/08/16/2017-nfl-draft-oklahoma-state-mason-rudolph-scouting-report/
Knock the Rudolph shit out. I need him back in Stillwater next year.
I've been doing this in every thread and will continue to do so until he decides to come back. Until then, I need everyone to do me a solid and keep his name out your mouths.
-Thanks from every OSU (the real one) grad.
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for the sake of argument, let's say Hue Jackson is still high on Kessler/RG3. I think they would go Garrett with the #1 overall and use the Eagles pick on Elflein, I'd be surpised if Elflein was still available in the 2nd round. I'd feel sorry for any QB playing behind this O-line but as others have mentioned, having Bitonio back will be a big plus for next season assuming he comes back in top form. The O-line lacks depth so I hope they address it either through the draft or through free agency this offseason, an RB or TE that can block would be a bonus.
I also like Peppers to help our secondary but pass rush and o-line need to be straightened out first. Of course, no one knows what this front office will do, maybe analytics will tell them to draft a kicker with the #1 overall pick. Also need to see how RG3 does in the last few games of the season (assuming he lasts more than a quarter in his first game back) to see how high a value this front office will place on drafting a QB. I'm not expecting any miracles but who knows? Maybe he'll light it up and the Browns will go 4-12
or at least win enough games to get out of the #1 spot.
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