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  • that's a weak case, Tex. They have a comprehensive, elaborate criteria for drafting now.

    Character/ work ethic, football iq, etc comes into play finally.

    "too early" by what standards? going by the usual rankings by experts? Gilbert? Richardson?

    They weren't taken "too early".

    The Browns, with their elaborate, excellent, new criteria, eval'ed what players fit their lockerroom, their team,

    and their goals.

    And you progress down throught the draft, players fall off your list, and you pick accordingly. It isn't as much when,

    but who are picked. I'm with how they did it.

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  • and, Jiggins, it's tough. Yes, it's early, and Seth got banged up, etc.,

    But I had high hopes for HIggins, and we didn't see him but for a few plays here and there.

    I don't get it. I guess the offense he played in messed him up on his adapting to the pro game or something.

    It would be interesting to hear Hue speak on that.

  • One side or the other? Exclusively? A whole new kind of stupid...

    The needs assessment takes care of position prioritization, AKA determination of "which side is weaker". It's a combination of your assessment of the personnel you have and the importance of each position. You then marry that assessment to your prospect assessment to create your board. However, in performing "the ceremony" the more you use "need" as anything more than a tiebreaker, the more you endanger your draft... the more you end up drafting Wheezies... and JFFs... and...

    The above process is what our FO did in 2016. It's how we ended up with 8 of our 14 picks being Offensive players. In no small part due to the clear determination that we had ignored, or at least under emphasized, the WR position for far too long. I think most of us believe that an inflated need was in play here.

    We will do the same thing this year... hopefully minus artificial need inflation... like picking exclusively on one side of the ball.

    Which side will be favored? Dunno... but signs seem to me to point to the D. Total of 79 players are currently under contract: 42 Offense, 33 Defense, 4 ST.

    55-man Roster: 28 O - 24 D - 3 ST

    14-man IR/Res: 8 O - 5 D - 1 ST

    10-man PS... : 6 O - 4 D

    Stat-wise? Flip a coin...

    30th in Total Offense; 30th in Scoring Offense

    31st in Total Defense; 31st in Scoring Defense

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  • C calfoxwc

    that's a weak case, Tex. They have a comprehensive, elaborate criteria for drafting now.

    Character/ work ethic, football iq, etc comes into play finally.

    "too early" by what standards? going by the usual rankings by experts? Gilbert? Richardson?

    They weren't taken "too early".

    The Browns, with their elaborate, excellent, new criteria, eval'ed what players fit their lockerroom, their team,

    and their goals.

    And you progress down throught the draft, players fall off your list, and you pick accordingly. It isn't as much when,

    but who are picked. I'm with how they did it.

    @calfoxwc said:

    that's a weak case, Tex. They have a comprehensive, elaborate criteria for drafting now.

    Character/ work ethic, football iq, etc comes into play finally.

    "too early" by what standards? going by the usual rankings by experts? Gilbert? Richardson?

    They weren't taken "too early".

    The Browns, with their elaborate, excellent, new criteria, eval'ed what players fit their lockerroom, their team,

    and their goals.

    And you progress down throught the draft, players fall off your list, and you pick accordingly. It isn't as much when,

    but who are picked. I'm with how they did it.

    They have mostly produced either nothing or a lot of drops. So by that standard they were too early as a group.

  • that isn't them as much as it is the offense can't work with mediocre qb'ing and the poor play by the right side of the oline.

    add in a few injuries... nah.

  • C calfoxwc

    that isn't them as much as it is the offense can't work with mediocre qb'ing and the poor play by the right side of the oline.

    add in a few injuries... nah.

    @calfoxwc said:

    that isn't them as much as it is the offense can't work with mediocre qb'ing and the poor play by the right side of the oline.

    add in a few injuries... nah.

    Tyler Gabriel, Travis Benjamin & Willie Sneed Approve this Post...while Terrell Pryor wants his "Millions Back America" to stay in Cleveland for this same old Shi$

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  • I'm on board with all D players plus one good FA OL.

  • W wargograw

    I'm on board with all D players plus one good FA OL.

    @wargograw said:

    I'm on board with all D players plus one good FA OL.

    Holy Shit war hell must have frozen over. We totally agree. 😁

    And credit to Mud for bringing up the FA route to fix the C position.

  • gumby73G gumby73

    @calfoxwc said:

    that isn't them as much as it is the offense can't work with mediocre qb'ing and the poor play by the right side of the oline.

    add in a few injuries... nah.

    Tyler Gabriel, Travis Benjamin & Willie Sneed Approve this Post...while Terrell Pryor wants his "Millions Back America" to stay in Cleveland for this same old Shi$

    @gumby73 said:

    Tyler Gabriel, Travis Benjamin & Willie Sneed Approve this Post...while Terrell Pryor wants his "Millions Back America" to stay in Cleveland for this same old Shi$

    WTF was clamoring for Sneed when he was sent packing in 2014?

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    @gumby73 said:

    Tyler Gabriel, Travis Benjamin & Willie Sneed Approve this Post...while Terrell Pryor wants his "Millions Back America" to stay in Cleveland for this same old Shi$

    WTF was clamoring for Sneed when he was sent packing in 2014?

    @tour2ma said:

    WTF was clamoring for Sneed when he was sent packing in 2014?

    Seems like we have a WR per year that flashes or plays well in the preseason, then is cut w/o an obvious reason or explanation....then he goes elsewhere and does well......while we continue to look.....

    And now, we step out and draft 4 of em.....and 3 look cuttable.....(new word).....

    And it's weird, because WR is a position weve been trying to improve every year....

    Some recent examples would be Charles Johnson, Minnesota.....Willie Snead at NO......Taylor Gabriel at Atlanta......even that Josh Lenz kid everyone loved so much, led our team in catches and yards(ala Gabriel), then was waived.......

    And....yes.....I know none of these guys are stars(though Snead is pretty good).....it's just odd to see so many preseason - top producers cut from a team that is so bad...

    And a touch infuriating when they go to better teams.....and produce.....while we burn 4 draft picks or keep WR's who dont.....

    And we got lucky with Pryor, because we cut him once....then brought him back(whew).... just imagine if he was busting out for another team this season.....oy!

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