Draft Talk
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Front seven and OL. That's what you do with our top 3 or 4 picks. Maybe a safety, but I'd rather get big uglies to knock other teams around.
Yeah, it sucks that there's apparently not a QB that's a can't miss guy the year we're picking first, but you can't just close your eyes, wish real hard, and turn Brandon Weeden into Joe Flacco.
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I'm not seeing anything I like either. At no point did I say I like Mahomes, I'm just saying I can see why he's getting all of this hype. It's the same reason Manziel got the hype he got. It's because Russell Wilson's rookie season made it cool again to be a frantic scrambler.
Those links are all examples in one game of Mahomes running around and making an ill-advised throw to further support the Wilson premise.
Got it... I was taking your posts as a defense of an endorsement.
At least i no longer need to fell obligated to watch more tape on him...
BTW... I watched Chad Kelly's game vs. FSU this year. I was in love after his first drive. By the end of the game? Not so much... But there is (or maybe "was") a lot to like in the kid.
Got it... I was taking your posts as a defense of an endorsement.
At least i no longer need to fell obligated to watch more tape on him...
BTW... I watched Chad Kelly's game vs. FSU this year. I was in love after his first drive. By the end of the game? Not so much... But there is (or maybe "was") a lot to like in the kid.
Nope, just playing devil's advocate.
I wish there was a Derek Carr in this draft. I think Trubisky COULD be a younger Carr-type player, but he's going to come at an elder Carr price.
Getting Garrett and then Trubisky would be oddly like a Mack/Carr draft. Adding a strong, young FA OL or two would be the icing on the cake.
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Got it... I was taking your posts as a defense of an endorsement.
At least i no longer need to fell obligated to watch more tape on him...
BTW... I watched Chad Kelly's game vs. FSU this year. I was in love after his first drive. By the end of the game? Not so much... But there is (or maybe "was") a lot to like in the kid.
Nope, just playing devil's advocate.
I wish there was a Derek Carr in this draft. I think Trubisky COULD be a younger Carr-type player, but he's going to come at an elder Carr price.
Getting Garrett and then Trubisky would be oddly like a Mack/Carr draft. Adding a strong, young FA OL or two would be the icing on the cake.
Nope, just playing devil's advocate.
I wish there was a Derek Carr in this draft. I think Trubisky COULD be a younger Carr-type player, but he's going to come at an elder Carr price.
Getting Garrett and then Trubisky would be oddly like a Mack/Carr draft. Adding a strong, young FA OL or two would be the icing on the cake.
I'm fully on board with an offseason that goes:
FA Safety
#1 Garrett/Allen
#10 Trubisky
#33 Pocic/Elfein
#45 Corner
Or, potentially, adding Allen first overall and then looking at someone like Tim Williams with the Iggles pick.
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Lady and Gentlemen... I give you the "Kiper Kiss of Death"...
Kiper: No way should the Browns reach for a quarterback in this draft."
Lady and Gentlemen... I give you the "Kiper Kiss of Death"...
Browns will take the QB, but it won't be reach.
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Nope, just playing devil's advocate.
I wish there was a Derek Carr in this draft. I think Trubisky COULD be a younger Carr-type player, but he's going to come at an elder Carr price.
Getting Garrett and then Trubisky would be oddly like a Mack/Carr draft. Adding a strong, young FA OL or two would be the icing on the cake.
I'm fully on board with an offseason that goes:
FA Safety
#1 Garrett/Allen
#10 Trubisky
#33 Pocic/Elfein
#45 Corner
Or, potentially, adding Allen first overall and then looking at someone like Tim Williams with the Iggles pick.
I'm fully on board with an offseason that goes:
FA Safety
#1 Garrett/Allen
#10 Trubisky
#33 Pocic/Elfein
#45 Corner
Or, potentially, adding Allen first overall and then looking at someone like Tim Williams with the Iggles pick.
Trubisky won't last past like #3 or 4 overall. If Browns take one of the defenders, they won't get him later....unless they trade up to like #2-3 at latest.
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Browns will take the QB, but it won't be reach.
LOL! "One giant leap for mankind."
In fact it may be about as far as Garret's first step off the line.
Or to be fair about as far as Allen can toss an OLman.
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Browns will take the QB, but it won't be reach.
LOL! "One giant leap for mankind."
In fact it may be about as far as Garret's first step off the line.
Or to be fair about as far as Allen can toss an OLman.
If that OL is Erving, that's a long way.LOL! "One giant leap for mankind."
In fact it may be about as far as Garret's first step off the line.
Or to be fair about as far as Allen can toss an OLman.
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So what do you do when you need a QB, and there might not be one available?
Wait?
Seriously, you just can't force it. That's the stuff draft disasters are made of...
BPA at #1... Garrett or Allen or whoever tops our board. See how things fall on the way to pick #10-ish and go from there.
LET... THE... DRAFT... COME... TO... US...
To save time I think I'll just add my above, 2017 Draft mantra to my sig....
Wait?
Seriously, you just can't force it. That's the stuff draft disasters are made of...
BPA at #1... Garrett or Allen or whoever tops our board. See how things fall on the way to pick #10-ish and go from there.
LET... THE... DRAFT... COME... TO... US...
To save time I think I'll just add my above, 2017 Draft mantra to my sig....
Tour...there's a big part of me that completely agrees with you. We're obviously not a QB away from being "in the mix", so why rush it? Problem is, NFL coaches and front offices don't have time. They are virtually guaranteed to come back next year, but if we go another season like this one WITHOUT a potential new QB...yeesh. I would be completely fine (assuming we had tangible improvement) of bringing back everyone for a third year. We have 4 wins next year, but lost some tough games, and some young players raised eyebrows...fine. Bring them all back. But would our owner really go for that? It's one thing to SAY we want continuity, but another thing to actually do it.
We need a QB, that's for sure. But we also can't draft what isn't there. To make matters worse, we can't keep taking QB's in the 3rd round and hope they work out either. Sooner or later, we're going to have to spend a high pick on one. I just hope we don't panic.
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Wait?
Seriously, you just can't force it. That's the stuff draft disasters are made of...
BPA at #1... Garrett or Allen or whoever tops our board. See how things fall on the way to pick #10-ish and go from there.
LET... THE... DRAFT... COME... TO... US...
To save time I think I'll just add my above, 2017 Draft mantra to my sig....
Tour...there's a big part of me that completely agrees with you. We're obviously not a QB away from being "in the mix", so why rush it? Problem is, NFL coaches and front offices don't have time. They are virtually guaranteed to come back next year, but if we go another season like this one WITHOUT a potential new QB...yeesh. I would be completely fine (assuming we had tangible improvement) of bringing back everyone for a third year. We have 4 wins next year, but lost some tough games, and some young players raised eyebrows...fine. Bring them all back. But would our owner really go for that? It's one thing to SAY we want continuity, but another thing to actually do it.
We need a QB, that's for sure. But we also can't draft what isn't there. To make matters worse, we can't keep taking QB's in the 3rd round and hope they work out either. Sooner or later, we're going to have to spend a high pick on one. I just hope we don't panic.
Tour...there's a big part of me that completely agrees with you. We're obviously not a QB away from being "in the mix", so why rush it? Problem is, NFL coaches and front offices don't have time. They are virtually guaranteed to come back next year, but if we go another season like this one WITHOUT a potential new QB...yeesh. I would be completely fine (assuming we had tangible improvement) of bringing back everyone for a third year. We have 4 wins next year, but lost some tough games, and some young players raised eyebrows...fine. Bring them all back. But would our owner really go for that? It's one thing to SAY we want continuity, but another thing to actually do it.
We need a QB, that's for sure. But we also can't draft what isn't there. To make matters worse, we can't keep taking QB's in the 3rd round and hope they work out either. Sooner or later, we're going to have to spend a high pick on one. I just hope we don't panic.
But isn't that just perpetuating the matter? There are no QBs worth taking super high so we shouldn't force it but the FO doesn't have much time so they should force it and then the fans get pissed when they see another first round QB bust and the pressure grows and the FO gets fired aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand repeat.
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Here's hoping Mitch has an awful combine and terrible Sun Bowl peformance.
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Tour...there's a big part of me that completely agrees with you. We're obviously not a QB away from being "in the mix", so why rush it? Problem is, NFL coaches and front offices don't have time. They are virtually guaranteed to come back next year, but if we go another season like this one WITHOUT a potential new QB...yeesh. I would be completely fine (assuming we had tangible improvement) of bringing back everyone for a third year. We have 4 wins next year, but lost some tough games, and some young players raised eyebrows...fine. Bring them all back. But would our owner really go for that? It's one thing to SAY we want continuity, but another thing to actually do it.
We need a QB, that's for sure. But we also can't draft what isn't there. To make matters worse, we can't keep taking QB's in the 3rd round and hope they work out either. Sooner or later, we're going to have to spend a high pick on one. I just hope we don't panic.
But isn't that just perpetuating the matter? There are no QBs worth taking super high so we shouldn't force it but the FO doesn't have much time so they should force it and then the fans get pissed when they see another first round QB bust and the pressure grows and the FO gets fired aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand repeat.
But isn't that just perpetuating the matter? There are no QBs worth taking super high so we shouldn't force it but the FO doesn't have much time so they should force it and then the fans get pissed when they see another first round QB bust and the pressure grows and the FO gets fired aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand repeat.
So, in order to fix that.....give the FO more than a year.
Problem solved.
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Tour...there's a big part of me that completely agrees with you. We're obviously not a QB away from being "in the mix", so why rush it? Problem is, NFL coaches and front offices don't have time. They are virtually guaranteed to come back next year, but if we go another season like this one WITHOUT a potential new QB...yeesh. I would be completely fine (assuming we had tangible improvement) of bringing back everyone for a third year. We have 4 wins next year, but lost some tough games, and some young players raised eyebrows...fine. Bring them all back. But would our owner really go for that? It's one thing to SAY we want continuity, but another thing to actually do it.
We need a QB, that's for sure. But we also can't draft what isn't there. To make matters worse, we can't keep taking QB's in the 3rd round and hope they work out either. Sooner or later, we're going to have to spend a high pick on one. I just hope we don't panic.
But isn't that just perpetuating the matter? There are no QBs worth taking super high so we shouldn't force it but the FO doesn't have much time so they should force it and then the fans get pissed when they see another first round QB bust and the pressure grows and the FO gets fired aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand repeat.
But isn't that just perpetuating the matter? There are no QBs worth taking super high so we shouldn't force it but the FO doesn't have much time so they should force it and then the fans get pissed when they see another first round QB bust and the pressure grows and the FO gets fired aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand repeat.
The problem, for you, of course, is that you are wrong. Trubisky is in like the top 3-5 of many draft project boards....and if you have a QB that high it is not much of a leap to #1.
Many mocks have him going #1. He has more talent than the guys that went 1-2 last year. Ergo, there is a qb worth taking super high.
Fyi, it doesn't matter what you and I think, it matters what the Browns FO thinks. And any number of articles have been written that they are very high on him.
To ignore that fact is simply playing ostrich.
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But isn't that just perpetuating the matter? There are no QBs worth taking super high so we shouldn't force it but the FO doesn't have much time so they should force it and then the fans get pissed when they see another first round QB bust and the pressure grows and the FO gets fired aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand repeat.
So, in order to fix that.....give the FO more than a year.
Problem solved.
So, in order to fix that.....give the FO more than a year.
Problem solved.
Absolutely. But as much as you hear "this team is terrible, it'll take more than one year to fix it" in January, come March, all the free agents that leave are all stars, the guys coming in are all mercenary busts, by May all the guys we've drafted are busts because they're not Brady or Watt or OBJ, and so come actual football season, people have no patience, so after a (predictably) terrible season, they're clamouring for whichever college QB is the new saviour in their eyes.
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So, in order to fix that.....give the FO more than a year.
Problem solved.
Absolutely. But as much as you hear "this team is terrible, it'll take more than one year to fix it" in January, come March, all the free agents that leave are all stars, the guys coming in are all mercenary busts, by May all the guys we've drafted are busts because they're not Brady or Watt or OBJ, and so come actual football season, people have no patience, so after a (predictably) terrible season, they're clamouring for whichever college QB is the new saviour in their eyes.
Absolutely. But as much as you hear "this team is terrible, it'll take more than one year to fix it" in January, come March, all the free agents that leave are all stars, the guys coming in are all mercenary busts, by May all the guys we've drafted are busts because they're not Brady or Watt or OBJ, and so come actual football season, people have no patience, so after a (predictably) terrible season, they're clamouring for whichever college QB is the new saviour in their eyes.
The team needs a franchise QB, no doubt. It also needs a massive pass rusher, and it needs another OL.
We can get the QB at #1.
We can get a pass rusher with the Eagles pick, say a Tim Williams.
We can get OL at say #33: Perhaps Pocic, Elflein, Ramczyk
We need a DB also. At #45? If the two OSU DBs Hooker and Larrimore come out, that will increase vastly the strength of that position in the draft.
You won't get the QB anywhere but #1, where the other positions have more available choices later on in the draft.
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So, in order to fix that.....give the FO more than a year.
Problem solved.
Absolutely. But as much as you hear "this team is terrible, it'll take more than one year to fix it" in January, come March, all the free agents that leave are all stars, the guys coming in are all mercenary busts, by May all the guys we've drafted are busts because they're not Brady or Watt or OBJ, and so come actual football season, people have no patience, so after a (predictably) terrible season, they're clamouring for whichever college QB is the new saviour in their eyes.
Absolutely. But as much as you hear "this team is terrible, it'll take more than one year to fix it" in January, come March, all the free agents that leave are all stars, the guys coming in are all mercenary busts, by May all the guys we've drafted are busts because they're not Brady or Watt or OBJ, and so come actual football season, people have no patience, so after a (predictably) terrible season, they're clamouring for whichever college QB is the new saviour in their eyes.
Has that happened a ton of times in the past, or are you letting recency bias take hold?
I can't remember any of our players that departed that became stars outside of Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz and TJ Ward...and all of them already were stars when they were here. Gipson is garbage, Gabriel is nothing, Snead is a middling WR on a high-octane passing offense, Benjamin has about the same statline as TP, DQ was a whole bunch of nothing...am I missing anyone?
Luckily, the fans have no say in the matter. So bitch as much as they want, it's all solely on what Haslam decides.
We don't have many stars right now, but that was not the stage of the rebuild we were in last year. We were building a base. This year, we can start to swing for crazy talent, even if it doesn't align with the holes we have. If it makes you feel better, look at the draft this way:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+) Here's our Watt
Round 1 Pick 11: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+) Here's our Rodgers
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A) Here's our Peterson
Round 2 Pick 14: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A+) Here's our Reed
Round 3 Pick 1: Royce Freeman, RB, Oregon (A+) Here's our AP
Round 4 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (
Here's our other JTRound 5 Pick 30: Pharaoh Brown, TE, Oregon (A-) Here's our Gronk
Round 6 Pick 1: Jake Eldrenkamp, OG, Washington (A) Here's our other Bitonio
See....now they're all stars.
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Absolutely. But as much as you hear "this team is terrible, it'll take more than one year to fix it" in January, come March, all the free agents that leave are all stars, the guys coming in are all mercenary busts, by May all the guys we've drafted are busts because they're not Brady or Watt or OBJ, and so come actual football season, people have no patience, so after a (predictably) terrible season, they're clamouring for whichever college QB is the new saviour in their eyes.
Has that happened a ton of times in the past, or are you letting recency bias take hold?
I can't remember any of our players that departed that became stars outside of Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz and TJ Ward...and all of them already were stars when they were here. Gipson is garbage, Gabriel is nothing, Snead is a middling WR on a high-octane passing offense, Benjamin has about the same statline as TP, DQ was a whole bunch of nothing...am I missing anyone?
Luckily, the fans have no say in the matter. So bitch as much as they want, it's all solely on what Haslam decides.
We don't have many stars right now, but that was not the stage of the rebuild we were in last year. We were building a base. This year, we can start to swing for crazy talent, even if it doesn't align with the holes we have. If it makes you feel better, look at the draft this way:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+) Here's our Watt
Round 1 Pick 11: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+) Here's our Rodgers
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A) Here's our Peterson
Round 2 Pick 14: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A+) Here's our Reed
Round 3 Pick 1: Royce Freeman, RB, Oregon (A+) Here's our AP
Round 4 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (
Here's our other JTRound 5 Pick 30: Pharaoh Brown, TE, Oregon (A-) Here's our Gronk
Round 6 Pick 1: Jake Eldrenkamp, OG, Washington (A) Here's our other Bitonio
See....now they're all stars.
Has that happened a ton of times in the past, or are you letting recency bias take hold?
I can't remember any of our players that departed that became stars outside of Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz and TJ Ward...and all of them already were stars when they were here. Gipson is garbage, Gabriel is nothing, Snead is a middling WR on a high-octane passing offense, Benjamin has about the same statline as TP, DQ was a whole bunch of nothing...am I missing anyone?
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I'm saying, a lot of people look back at players we let go with rose tinted glasses. Take Taylor Gabriel - barely 400 yards this year, barely anybody was complaining about cutting him at the time, but all of a sudden he has one good game and they're mad we didn't keep him.
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Browns will take the QB, but it won't be reach.
Now renamed the Kiper/Gipper kiss of death...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Got it... I was taking your posts as a defense of an endorsement.
At least i no longer need to fell obligated to watch more tape on him...
BTW... I watched Chad Kelly's game vs. FSU this year. I was in love after his first drive. By the end of the game? Not so much... But there is (or maybe "was") a lot to like in the kid.
Nope, just playing devil's advocate.
I wish there was a Derek Carr in this draft. I think Trubisky COULD be a younger Carr-type player, but he's going to come at an elder Carr price.
Getting Garrett and then Trubisky would be oddly like a Mack/Carr draft. Adding a strong, young FA OL or two would be the icing on the cake.
Nope, just playing devil's advocate.
You do tend to do that... a lot. Yet every once in a while I forget.
But would our owner really go for that? It's one thing to SAY we want continuity, but another thing to actually do it.
We need a QB, that's for sure. But we also can't draft what isn't there. To make matters worse, we can't keep taking QB's in the 3rd round and hope they work out either. Sooner or later, we're going to have to spend a high pick on one. I just hope we don't panic.
I think so... I think Jimmah was sold that this would be more than a 2-year rebuild. That is not to say that he'd tolerate another 0-fer campaign... after all, the man is allegedly human... but the type of three or four win season you describe? Piece of cake...
So, in order to fix that.....give the FO more than a year. Problem solved.
I'm trusting you on this one...
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But isn't that just perpetuating the matter? There are no QBs worth taking super high so we shouldn't force it but the FO doesn't have much time so they should force it and then the fans get pissed when they see another first round QB bust and the pressure grows and the FO gets fired aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand repeat.
The problem, for you, of course, is that you are wrong. Trubisky is in like the top 3-5 of many draft project boards....and if you have a QB that high it is not much of a leap to #1.
Many mocks have him going #1. He has more talent than the guys that went 1-2 last year. Ergo, there is a qb worth taking super high.
Fyi, it doesn't matter what you and I think, it matters what the Browns FO thinks. And any number of articles have been written that they are very high on him.
To ignore that fact is simply playing ostrich.
The problem, for you, of course, is that you are wrong. Trubisky is in like the top 3-5 of many draft project boards....and if you have a QB that high it is not much of a leap to #1.
Many mocks have him going #1. He has more talent than the guys that went 1-2 last year. Ergo, there is a qb worth taking super high.
Fyi, it doesn't matter what you and I think, it matters what the Browns FO thinks. And any number of articles have been written that they are very high on him.
To ignore that fact is simply playing ostrich.
How do you know the mocks and the articles represent what the Browns' FO thinks? Basing it on how they nailed our intentions last year? lol...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Absolutely. But as much as you hear "this team is terrible, it'll take more than one year to fix it" in January, come March, all the free agents that leave are all stars, the guys coming in are all mercenary busts, by May all the guys we've drafted are busts because they're not Brady or Watt or OBJ, and so come actual football season, people have no patience, so after a (predictably) terrible season, they're clamouring for whichever college QB is the new saviour in their eyes.
Has that happened a ton of times in the past, or are you letting recency bias take hold?
I can't remember any of our players that departed that became stars outside of Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz and TJ Ward...and all of them already were stars when they were here. Gipson is garbage, Gabriel is nothing, Snead is a middling WR on a high-octane passing offense, Benjamin has about the same statline as TP, DQ was a whole bunch of nothing...am I missing anyone?
Luckily, the fans have no say in the matter. So bitch as much as they want, it's all solely on what Haslam decides.
We don't have many stars right now, but that was not the stage of the rebuild we were in last year. We were building a base. This year, we can start to swing for crazy talent, even if it doesn't align with the holes we have. If it makes you feel better, look at the draft this way:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+) Here's our Watt
Round 1 Pick 11: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+) Here's our Rodgers
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A) Here's our Peterson
Round 2 Pick 14: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A+) Here's our Reed
Round 3 Pick 1: Royce Freeman, RB, Oregon (A+) Here's our AP
Round 4 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (
Here's our other JTRound 5 Pick 30: Pharaoh Brown, TE, Oregon (A-) Here's our Gronk
Round 6 Pick 1: Jake Eldrenkamp, OG, Washington (A) Here's our other Bitonio
See....now they're all stars.
Has that happened a ton of times in the past, or are you letting recency bias take hold?
I can't remember any of our players that departed that became stars outside of Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz and TJ Ward...and all of them already were stars when they were here. Gipson is garbage, Gabriel is nothing, Snead is a middling WR on a high-octane passing offense, Benjamin has about the same statline as TP, DQ was a whole bunch of nothing...am I missing anyone?
Luckily, the fans have no say in the matter. So bitch as much as they want, it's all solely on what Haslam decides.
We don't have many stars right now, but that was not the stage of the rebuild we were in last year. We were building a base. This year, we can start to swing for crazy talent, even if it doesn't align with the holes we have. If it makes you feel better, look at the draft this way:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+) Here's our Watt
Round 1 Pick 11: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+) Here's our Rodgers Hello, McFly, is anybody home? Again...there is NO Way he last this long. He will be gone in the top 3 picks.
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A) Here's our Peterson
Round 2 Pick 14: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A+) Here's our Reed
Round 3 Pick 1: Royce Freeman, RB, Oregon (A+) Here's our AP
Round 4 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (
Here's our other JTRound 5 Pick 30: Pharaoh Brown, TE, Oregon (A-) Here's our Gronk
Round 6 Pick 1: Jake Eldrenkamp, OG, Washington (A) Here's our other Bitonio
See....now they're all stars.
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