Anyone Else Think Collins Doesn't Wanna Be Here
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34 tackles in 4 games...leads our team for that span....so, if being our best player means invisible...then so be it
edit:....and, Ill add that Kruger had 27 tackles in 16 games last season....one just has to do the math....
Well if Kruger wasn't being misused he would have done better
Well if Kruger wasn't being misused he would have done better
If not pink, then could at least italicize...
Promise to fill this draft with D and he'll be back.
Waste of a promise since he can see our draft before committing to any team.
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invisible today...especially.....led both teams in tackles.....
13 tackles...2 assists and a sack...
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Ofc he doesnt "want" to be here. Nobody does
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Well if Kruger wasn't being misused he would have done better
If not pink, then could at least italicize...
Promise to fill this draft with D and he'll be back.
Waste of a promise since he can see our draft before committing to any team.
Waste of a promise since he can see our draft before committing to any team.
I thought the FA signings start in March and the draft in April. Does he not come under FA?
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I thought the FA signings start in March and the draft in April. Does he not come under FA?
1st comes tag(luv). 2nd comes FA(marrage). 3rd draft(kids) cycle never ends.. Just bring lots of money
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2017
January 1: Week 17.
January 2: Earliest permissible date for clubs to renegotiate or extend the rookie contract of a drafted rookie who was selected in any round of the 2014 NFL Draft. Any permissible renegotiated or extended player contract will not be considered a rookie contract, and will not be subject to the rules that limit rookie contracts.
January 2: Option exercise period begins for Fifth-Year Option for First- Round Selections from the 2014 NFL Draft. To exercise the option, the club must give written notice to the player on or after January 2, 2017, but prior to May 3, 2017.
January 7-8: Wild Card Playoffs.
January 8: Assistant coaches under contract to playoff clubs that have byes in the Wild Card weekend may be interviewed for head coaching positions through the conclusion of the Wild Card games.
January 14-15: Divisional Playoffs.
January 15: Assistant coaches under contract to playoff clubs that won their Wild Card games may be interviewed for head coaching positions through the conclusion of Divisional Playoff games.
January 16: Deadline for college players that are underclassmen to apply for special eligibility. A list of players who are accepted into the NFL Draft will be transmitted to clubs on January 20.
January 21: East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida.
January 22: AFC and NFC Championship Games.
January 28: Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama.
January 29: NFL Pro Bowl, Camping World Stadium, Orlando, Florida.
January 29: An assistant coach, whose team is participating in the Super Bowl, who has previously interviewed for another club's head coaching job may have a second interview with such club no later than the Sunday preceding the Super Bowl.
February 5: Super Bowl LI, NRG Stadium, Houston, Texas.
February 15: First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.
February 28-March 6: Combine Timing and Testing, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana.
March 1: Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players.
March 7-9: "Legal Tampering Period" During the period beginning at 12 noon, New York time, on March 7th and ending at 3:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 9th, clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2016 player contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 9. However, a contract cannot be executed with a new club until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 9.
During the above two-day negotiating period, no direct contact is permitted between a prospective unrestricted free agent and any employee or representative of a club, other than the player's current club.
March 9: The 2017 League Year and Free Agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time.
The first day of the 2017 League Year will end at 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 9. Clubs will receive a personnel notice that will include all transactions submitted to the League office during the period between 4:00 p.m., New York time, and 11:59:59 p.m., New York time, on March 9.
March 9: Trading period for 2017 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2016 contracts.
March 26-29: Annual League Meeting, Phoenix, Arizona.
April 3: Clubs that hired a new head coach after the end of the 2016 regular season may begin offseason workout programs.
April 17: Clubs with returning head coaches may begin offseason workout programs.
April 21: Deadline for Restricted Free Agents to sign Offer Sheets.
April 26: Deadline for prior club to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents.
April 27-29: NFL Draft (site TBD).
I don't see anything about the end of the UFA period.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000677028/article/important-nfl-dates-for-201617
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January 2: Option exercise period begins for Fifth-Year Option for First- Round Selections from the 2014 NFL Draft. To exercise the option, the club must give written notice to the player on or after January 2, 2017, but prior to May 3, 2017.
So, you think we'll pick up the option on Gilbert or Manziel?
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Tour-that goes back to my point that if they want to make sure Collins stays, then they had better get him signed as FA period starts or make sure he understands they will bring him superior D players in the draft while negotiating from the start of FA period on. It does appear there is some overrun time with the draft, but he can also sign with anyone he wants before the draft begins if I understand FA signing rules correctly. I would hope we sign him before FA opens up. We certainly have the cap space. Aren't we allowed to do that if he is agreeable?
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If he hasn't signed with the browns by the 9th March, he can sign with anyone else. That's it. No 'wait and see what we do in the draft' period, that'd just be Collins saying "well I think this browns team is really on to something and it's superbowl in two years so I'm staying" - not very realistic.
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Nope. I didn't think he wanted to be here from the get-go. I have no proof of this...but wait...yes I do. We don't ever win and we suck. So yes....I do have proof. We need to re-sign Pryor so we can franchise Collins. He's a freaking beast and we desperately need him.
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If given the chance, he will sign with the best team and money combo and be outa here at Mach 3
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Im pretty sure we traded for him with the intent of franchising him. Don't see any scenario he doesn't play here in '17. My question is whether wed franchise him two years in a row, and can we leverage the threat of that into a longer contract.
Im pretty sure we traded for him with the intent of franchising him. Don't see any scenario he doesn't play here in '17. My question is whether wed franchise him two years in a row, and can we leverage the threat of that into a longer contract.
It's hard not to see a plan being in place for him to be playing in Cleveland next year. Probably it starts with a franchise tag, which he doesn't sign - if he likes the draft and where the team is headed he negotiates a deal, otherwise he signs. Repeat in 2018 as necessary.
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Another thing to realize is this organization has money out the ass to pay for Collins too. I think he's well worth it to actually keep a football player on this team, and I think the Browns feel that way too by bringing him in mid-season on an expiring contract.
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They certainly threw enough of it at Taylor that he managed to intercept some.
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Tour-that goes back to my point that if they want to make sure Collins stays, then they had better get him signed as FA period starts or make sure he understands they will bring him superior D players in the draft while negotiating from the start of FA period on. It does appear there is some overrun time with the draft, but he can also sign with anyone he wants before the draft begins if I understand FA signing rules correctly. I would hope we sign him before FA opens up. We certainly have the cap space. Aren't we allowed to do that if he is agreeable?
Tour-that goes back to my point that if they want to make sure Collins stays, then they had better get him signed as FA period starts or make sure he understands they will bring him superior D players in the draft while negotiating from the start of FA period on. It does appear there is some overrun time with the draft, but he can also sign with anyone he wants before the draft begins if I understand FA signing rules correctly. I would hope we sign him before FA opens up. We certainly have the cap space. Aren't we allowed to do that if he is agreeable?
First... more I think about it, there is no end to FA... at least not until Week 17 rolls around. UFAs are still being signed now. Even now if a Kicker goes down or misses one too many extra point... someone's phone rings. IIRC this just happened a week or two ago... NYG?
However, even in the absence of a scheduled UFA deadline, there certainly are tacit ones. The initial flurry of the first two weeks is repeated annually. Team visits... wooing... rumors... negotiating... ultimately feeds headlines and then contracts in that period. Usually for the most sought after candidates and Collins looks to be in that class of UFA.
Sure, Ag... sales job on our future will be key, but doubt we are willing to share our draft plans in detail with a player. Maybe a token of trust along the lines of "At #1 we are taking X, and we are emphasizing D going in, but our board will be our board." But compared to a team that is already objectively on an upward trajectory? That's a tough sales job. Compared to a contender looking to add... or replace... a "final piece"? Even tougher... So it comes down to the importance an UFA places on rings.
As for the "before FA" period... We can negotiate "an extension" with any player under contract anytime. Just saw this with Howard. But a coveted player who wants "to test the market" is not going to extend. As said above, only sure way is to tag that player in the 2-week window that precedes the beginning of FA by just over a week.
And yes, it appears there is that two-day window for "exclusive negotiations" with soon-to-be UFAs. But that's a nod and wink rule from the league and everyone knows it. If you have not gotten a deal done before it hits, how does it this brief, deadline extension help?
Finally, off course, there's no better way for a franchise to endear itself to a UFA than to tag him. While that is a form of leverage, it is not the foundation for a relationship... particularly not one that barely exists to begin with. It comes very early in the schedule, so we will know before everything else heats up.
If he hasn't signed with the browns by the 9th March, he can sign with anyone else. That's it. No 'wait and see what we do in the draft' period, that'd just be Collins saying "well I think this browns team is really on to something and it's superbowl in two years so I'm staying" - not very realistic.
Pretty much it...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Question was/is... think he's coming back? Think he wants to come back?
Promise to fill this draft with D and he'll be back.
Promise to fill this draft with D and he'll be back.
Draft Myles Garrett and now we have something!
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Is it me or does anyone else see Collins lollygagging on plays more often than not.
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Collins will be released then go on to look like a world beater on another team ...its the Browns way
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