Draft Talk
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lol... I swear... at this point a win would hurt.
But if it happens... Allen at #2? I could pull the trigger on him at #2.
Then add Foster at 9-ish...
Still works... not as sexy, but still works.
The sexiest thing I could think of would be us grabbing Garrett at #1, then SF taking Watson at #2 and Chicago taking Trubisky at #4 and the Jets passing on QB with their first round pick.
That would leave us the option of getting Robinson or Foster at #9-#10 and conceivably having Kizer slide all the way to us at #33.
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Or, even better, Fournette.
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 15: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (
Round 5 Pick 31: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Sean Harlow, OG, Oregon State (B-)
The sexiest thing I could think of would be us grabbing Garrett at #1, then SF taking Watson at #2 and Chicago taking Trubisky at #4 and the Jets passing on QB with their first round pick.
That would leave us the option of getting Robinson or Foster at #9-#10 and conceivably having Kizer slide all the way to us at #33.
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Or, even better, Fournette.
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 15: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (
Round 5 Pick 31: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jean Harlow, OG, Oregon State (B-)
If we must, Garrett would work. But other than Davis, not much else floats my boat..except to say that you have filled need positions with names I don't really know.
Though I do like the hot blonde you took with that last pick.
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That's a fair point. The other guy I see entering into the "mid first round" area is Mason Rudolph from Oklahoma State. He runs that shotgun "read-option" style of offense that Hue Jackson appears to favor. Hell, we got most of our good runs from either a draw or the read-option formation. He's not fast, but not slow either. Throws a gorgeous, looping deep ball which allows his receivers to run under the ball, but can also juice it when needed. Good size, too. I haven't done any "research" on him, but at least he's another name to consider. I know other people on this board have mentioned him earlier, but this is the first time I've read up on him.
Man, it's mid-December and I'm already so stoked about this draft. The damn 49's choked on Sunday (naturally), and I'm a little worried the Chargers won't travel well and we'll sneak out an ugly victory that does nothing but cost us the first pick. LOL. I remember a few years ago when we played the Bolts in the snow and we won a 9-6 game or something close to it. With them out of the playoff hunt, possibly moving cities...I could see them mailing it in.
That's a fair point. The other guy I see entering into the "mid first round" area is Mason Rudolph from Oklahoma State. He runs that shotgun "read-option" style of offense that Hue Jackson appears to favor. Hell, we got most of our good runs from either a draw or the read-option formation. He's not fast, but not slow either. Throws a gorgeous, looping deep ball which allows his receivers to run under the ball, but can also juice it when needed. Good size, too. I haven't done any "research" on him, but at least he's another name to consider. I know other people on this board have mentioned him earlier, but this is the first time I've read up on him.
Man, it's mid-December and I'm already so stoked about this draft. The damn 49's choked on Sunday (naturally), and I'm a little worried the Chargers won't travel well and we'll sneak out an ugly victory that does nothing but cost us the first pick. LOL. I remember a few years ago when we played the Bolts in the snow and we won a 9-6 game or something close to it. With them out of the playoff hunt, possibly moving cities...I could see them mailing it in.
As an OSU alum, I've been trying to keep the Rudolph talk down as I need him back in Stillwater next year. 2017 is supposed to be our "year" as it were, assuming everyone comes back. Unless he has a career game against the Buffs in the Alamo Bowl, I assume (hope) he will come back, especially after Bedlam.
But with the season winding down, and my attempts to keep the talk down not working, I figure it's about time I put in my two cents.
First, we ran a bit of the read option this year but we ran a predominantly uptempo, deep ball oriented offense. You were spot on about the shotgun though. Obviously we ran the spread but still had a healthy balance of run and pass.
It was a great system for Rudolph. He throws an amazing deep ball and has a more than adequate arm. His intermediate accuracy is solid as well. He isn't the quickest guy, but he is tough as nails and will fight for extra yards. I wouldn't want him doing it at the next level but I appreciate the willingness to do so.
However, he doesn't do well dinking and dunking. Check out the Baylor game this year to see how that worked out. (I can't tell if Baylor was just doubling Washington or if Gundy was trying to get cute but it was our worst game of the year by far) His short accuracy isn't awful, but that's just not his game. I'm still not sure but I think he might fight for yards in the running game because he doesn't know how to slide, which isn't ideal. He's got good size but he's not Cam. He also seems to have issues with weather which you can check out from Bedlam this year. I'm not sure if it's the size of his hands or what but he needs to learn how to throw with a glove this offseason. He also had a solid set of receivers with Washington being a fucking savant at coming down with the deep ball. While I wouldn't hold that against Rudolph necessarily, it would be ideal for him to have a legit deep threat at the next level.
Another potential issue might be the offense. It was uptempo and the play calling came from the sidelines. Once Rudolph got the play, he'd do a box count to decide run or pass. If it was a pass, the first option was usually a deep ball. If the receiver was in single coverage, Rudolph would let it fly. If the first option was doubled, he'd move on to his next progression. Obviously nothing too advanced so there will be a bit of a transition to the next level.
Personally, I love the kid. He's by far the best QB we've had in Stillwater. However I do think he needs at least one more year here and not solely for my own selfish reasons. If he can make some strides in the short passing game and get the throwing with a glove thing down, he has the potential to go very high next year. As it stands now, he has the potential to be a solid if not good QB at the next level, but only in the right system. His ideal system, in my eyes, would be a vertical offense similar to Baltimore. If you give him a solid running game and at least one deep threat, he'll get you some wins. He would also probably be better off in a warm climate or dome, and would be better off sitting for a bit.
As much as I love the kid and would love to see him stay in orange at the next level, I'm not sure if he'd be a great fit here, especially if he needs to start day one. If you asked me before Bedlam, I'd probably be in favor of taking him as I could see him being Hue's version of Dalton here but the weather issue is a big concern for me.
There is one thing I do know though, he's a shit ton better than Weeden. That's not saying much but still needed to be said due to the, shall we say, history here.
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lol... I swear... at this point a win would hurt.
But if it happens... Allen at #2? I could pull the trigger on him at #2.
Then add Foster at 9-ish...
Still works... not as sexy, but still works.
The sexiest thing I could think of would be us grabbing Garrett at #1, then SF taking Watson at #2 and Chicago taking Trubisky at #4 and the Jets passing on QB with their first round pick.
That would leave us the option of getting Robinson or Foster at #9-#10 and conceivably having Kizer slide all the way to us at #33.
EDIT:
Or, even better, Fournette.
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 15: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (
Round 5 Pick 31: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Sean Harlow, OG, Oregon State (B-)
The sexiest thing I could think of would be us grabbing Garrett at #1, then SF taking Watson at #2 and Chicago taking Trubisky at #4 and the Jets passing on QB with their first round pick.
That would leave us the option of getting Robinson or Foster at #9-#10 and conceivably having Kizer slide all the way to us at #33.
EDIT:
Or, even better, Fournette.
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 15: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (
Round 5 Pick 31: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Sean Harlow, OG, Oregon State (B-)
Not a big fan of Kizer. I'd rather see more defensive help there and with the 2nd pick in round 2. Our defense is horrendous and needs a lot of help.
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lol... I swear... at this point a win would hurt.
But if it happens... Allen at #2? I could pull the trigger on him at #2.
Then add Foster at 9-ish...
Still works... not as sexy, but still works.
lol... I swear... at this point a win would hurt.
But if it happens... Allen at #2? I could pull the trigger on him at #2.
Then add Foster at 9-ish...
Still works... not as sexy, but still works.
Damn Tour, my "build the D first" philosophy seems to be working it's way into your head.
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Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Desmond King, CB, Iowa (A)
Round 2 Pick 15: Taco Charlton, DE, Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (C+)
Round 5 Pick 31: Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: David Jones, FS, Richmond (A)
while i like the above i dont think there is anyway Mitch falls to 10 so i tried again avoiding mitch at 10
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Jabrill Peppers, OLB/SS, Michigan (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Marcus Williams, FS, Utah (A-)
Round 2 Pick 15: Tyler Orlosky, C, West Virginia (B+)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Davis Webb, QB, California (A+)
Round 5 Pick 31: Kareem Hunt, RB, Toledo (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Ryan Switzer, WR, North Carolina (A+)
That being said i believe this draft would be amazing for the browns. getting a great edge talent in Garrett, Two Elite Secondary players. A real center lol. a CB to play opposite Haden, Best arm talent coming out in 2016. Developmental QB with all the intangibles to play at the next level. Always need to look for RB. hooray someone to play in the slot -
The sexiest thing I could think of would be us grabbing Garrett at #1, then SF taking Watson at #2 and Chicago taking Trubisky at #4 and the Jets passing on QB with their first round pick.
That would leave us the option of getting Robinson or Foster at #9-#10 and conceivably having Kizer slide all the way to us at #33.
EDIT:
Or, even better, Fournette.
Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Leonard Fournette, RB, LSU (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 15: Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Tre'Davious White, CB, LSU (A)
Round 4 Pick 1: Avery Gennesy, OT, Texas A&M (
Round 5 Pick 31: John Johnson, FS, Boston College (A-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Sean Harlow, OG, Oregon State (B-)
Not a big fan of Kizer. I'd rather see more defensive help there and with the 2nd pick in round 2. Our defense is horrendous and needs a lot of help.
Not a big fan of Kizer. I'd rather see more defensive help there and with the 2nd pick in round 2. Our defense is horrendous and needs a lot of help.
I only see legitimate holes at FS and EDGE. SS could stand an upgrade, but I wouldn't reach to fill the position.
There's CB talent to be had all throughout the first three rounds if we need it. However, BBC has come on these past two weeks and he's showing signs of being a legitimate nickel at the very least.
Defense is important, but a functioning offense is key to success. Ask Oakland and Dallas - build the line out and get yourself a playmaker at QB and WR and good things happen fast. I probably can't name three players on Dallas' defense.
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Speaking of Rub in the middle - Raekwon talk has been quiet lately. If he slipped to the top half of the 2nd I would love to take that shot.
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Traded back with jax picking up their 2nd and 3rd and still got Myles Garrett...
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 3 (JAX): Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)
Round 1 Pick 10: Mitch Trubisky, QB, North Carolina (A+)
Round 2 Pick 1: Ethan Pocic, C/OG, LSU (B+ )
Round 2 Pick 3 (JAX): Adoree' Jackson, CB, Southern California (A-)
Round 2 Pick 15: Dede Westbrook, WR, Oklahoma (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Takkarist McKinley, OLB/DE, UCLA (A)
Round 3 Pick 3 (JAX): Corey Davis, WR, Western Michigan (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Quin Blanding, FS, Virginia (A-)
Round 5 Pick 31: De'Veon Smith, RB, Michigan (C-)
Round 6 Pick 1: Jon Heck, OT, North Carolina (B- )
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Every time I watch Garret, #10 flashes often.
War, help me out here. The opposite DE/LB
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daeshon hall, #12 DE on his own according to CBS - 6'5 270#
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Every time I watch Garret, #10 flashes often.
War, help me out here. The opposite DE/LB
Unsympathetic has it right. Decent body (basically the same as Garrett's minus the Adonisness). Was looking like a really good prospect in 13 and 14. Didn't do much since other than start every game. His sack numbers are mediocre, especially if you remove 2014 ASU (think he had 4.5 or something in that game).
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Every time I watch Garret, #10 flashes often.
War, help me out here. The opposite DE/LB
Unsympathetic has it right. Decent body (basically the same as Garrett's minus the Adonisness). Was looking like a really good prospect in 13 and 14. Didn't do much since other than start every game. His sack numbers are mediocre, especially if you remove 2014 ASU (think he had 4.5 or something in that game).
Unsympathetic has it right. Decent body (basically the same as Garrett's minus the Adonisness). Was looking like a really good prospect in 13 and 14. Didn't do much since other than start every game. His sack numbers are mediocre, especially if you remove 2014 ASU (think he had 4.5 or something in that game).
I don't see consistency, but I see ability.
Senior?
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Every time I watch Garret, #10 flashes often.
War, help me out here. The opposite DE/LB
that's the guy I really am interested in. Reuben Foster, Alabama,
I don't know who is the better pick, Zack Cunningham or Foster, but dang,
Foster gets in on a lot of plays. He makes them, creates them.
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You're confusing the team I was looking at.
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Taco...thank you so much for that synopsis. It was excellent. During my extremely brief review of Rudolph, there was NO DOUBT he looked to go deep very often. It's a pretty ball, no doubt about it, and possibly Pryor could be the guy that he hangs that ball up for.
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Gennesy is a worse Shon Coleman.
And if moved inside? Seems to have worked for Ifedi...
And I loved Genny Cream Ale once upon a time...
Damn Tour, my "build the D first" philosophy seems to be working it's way into your head.
lol... Nothing personal, Ag, but I find the talent more convincing than you... And the top talent in this draft is predominantly, if not overwhelmingly, on the D-side.
3 of the top 4 look like they'll be edge players as will at least 5 of the top 10. Throw in an ILB, CB and Safety... that's potentially 8 of the first 10 on the D-side.
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Gennesy is a worse Shon Coleman.
And if moved inside? Seems to have worked for Ifedi...
And I loved Genny Cream Ale once upon a time...
Damn Tour, my "build the D first" philosophy seems to be working it's way into your head.
lol... Nothing personal, Ag, but I find the talent more convincing than you... And the top talent in this draft is predominantly, if not overwhelmingly, on the D-side.
3 of the top 4 look like they'll be edge players as will at least 5 of the top 10. Throw in an ILB, CB and Safety... that's potentially 8 of the first 10 on the D-side.
lol... Nothing personal, Ag, but I find the talent more convincing than you... And the top talent in this draft is predominantly, if not overwhelmingly, on the D-side.
3 of the top 4 look like they'll be edge players as will at least 5 of the top 10. Throw in an ILB, CB and Safety... that's potentially 8 of the first 10 on the D-side.
LOL-actually if there really was an Elway or a Manning, I'd be the first to dump the D players. But you are right this is the perfect storm for building our D into something really. really special as long was we address the Center problem at some point. Opportunity is knocking at the front door and this damn FO better open it and let 'em in.
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Unsympathetic has it right. Decent body (basically the same as Garrett's minus the Adonisness). Was looking like a really good prospect in 13 and 14. Didn't do much since other than start every game. His sack numbers are mediocre, especially if you remove 2014 ASU (think he had 4.5 or something in that game).
I don't see consistency, but I see ability.
Senior?
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