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Rex Tillerson, our next Secretary of State

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  • http://www.evostc.state.ak.us/%3FFA=facts.QA

    Thats just one incident, the valdez, providing that easily obtainable link is as far as im willing to go to div st you of ur profound state if ignorance. You are uneducated and profoundly ignorant on almost every subject you speak for f. I could provide a link for each incident detailing the institutional failings that led to the accident. But t as i said this is as far as im willing to go, i come here assume ng the basics out of people. Im not in a childrens forum

  • actually, no, i wanted John Bolton. It does't mean, though, that we won't pizz russia off.

    It just means, I believe, that we will know they will be, ahead of time. something like that.

    what was that old saying, "keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.." ?

  • Rand paul made a good case against bolton over the weekend. Any sec of state nominee that has bolton on staff will have a small coalition of republicans defect. Enough to cancel the republican majority. Bolton is a non starter and a deal breaker not just to democrats. Paul went over some of boltons statements and policy beleifs and pauls right, bolton has no business anywhere near the state dept

  • if Rand is against it, it's a good thing that everybody else shouldn't be against it, all too often.

  • Will Bolton does fit better into the neocon interventionist category. That hasn't been Donald Trump's Focus so far.

    WSS

  • As someone who works at an energy firm, I don't hate this.

  • As someone who works at an energy firm, I don't hate this.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    As someone who works at an energy firm, I don't hate this.

    You think he'll have the backs of energy firms because he's head of an energy company? I can see that.

    Meanwhile, how's that swamp-draining, no-special-interests government coming along?

  • Here's something that surprises me - Rex Tillerson is in favour of the Paris climate deal:

    http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/company/news-and-updates/speeches/the-value-of-partnerships-in-delivering-energy-for-the-future

    “At ExxonMobil, we share the view that the risks of climate change are serious and warrant thoughtful action. Addressing these risks requires broad-based, practical solutions around the world.”

    “Importantly, as a result of the Paris agreement, both developed and developing countries are now working together to mitigate greenhouse gas emissions, while recognizing differing national responsibilities, capacities and circumstances. The best hope for the future is to enable and encourage long-term investments in both proven and new technologies, while supporting effective policies.”

  • Because large corporations like exxon can skirt and or buy their way out of potential regulations that would cripple the smaller players. Just guessing i dont really know for sure, but thats how it works everywhere else. The oligarchs are usually unperturbed

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    As someone who works at an energy firm, I don't hate this.

    You think he'll have the backs of energy firms because he's head of an energy company? I can see that.

    Meanwhile, how's that swamp-draining, no-special-interests government coming along?

    @gftchris said:

    You think he'll have the backs of energy firms because he's head of an energy company? I can see that.

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  • Because large corporations like exxon can skirt and or buy their way out of potential regulations that would cripple the smaller players. Just guessing i dont really know for sure, but thats how it works everywhere else. The oligarchs are usually unperturbed

    @clevfan4life said:

    Because large corporations like exxon can skirt and or buy their way out of potential regulations that would cripple the smaller players. Just guessing i dont really know for sure, but thats how it works everywhere else. The oligarchs are usually unperturbed

    Bingo! Large energy firms will sometimes play with the idea that they back climate change regulations....because they are the only ones financially capable of staying financially sound after complying with the regulations. Government assisted monopolies.

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Because large corporations like exxon can skirt and or buy their way out of potential regulations that would cripple the smaller players. Just guessing i dont really know for sure, but thats how it works everywhere else. The oligarchs are usually unperturbed

    Bingo! Large energy firms will sometimes play with the idea that they back climate change regulations....because they are the only ones financially capable of staying financially sound after complying with the regulations. Government assisted monopolies.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Bingo! Large energy firms will sometimes play with the idea that they back climate change regulations....because they are the only ones financially capable of staying financially sound after complying with the regulations. Government assisted monopolies.

    Sigh. Well at least someone gets it

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Because large corporations like exxon can skirt and or buy their way out of potential regulations that would cripple the smaller players. Just guessing i dont really know for sure, but thats how it works everywhere else. The oligarchs are usually unperturbed

    Bingo! Large energy firms will sometimes play with the idea that they back climate change regulations....because they are the only ones financially capable of staying financially sound after complying with the regulations. Government assisted monopolies.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Bingo! Large energy firms will sometimes play with the idea that they back climate change regulations....because they are the only ones financially capable of staying financially sound after complying with the regulations. Government assisted monopolies.

    I would also add that they know they have the right contacts to just avoid compliance altogether

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Because large corporations like exxon can skirt and or buy their way out of potential regulations that would cripple the smaller players. Just guessing i dont really know for sure, but thats how it works everywhere else. The oligarchs are usually unperturbed

    Bingo! Large energy firms will sometimes play with the idea that they back climate change regulations....because they are the only ones financially capable of staying financially sound after complying with the regulations. Government assisted monopolies.

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Bingo! Large energy firms will sometimes play with the idea that they back climate change regulations....because they are the only ones financially capable of staying financially sound after complying with the regulations. Government assisted monopolies.

    To be honest, if the regulations are sound themselves, not being able to comply with them should be a problem. If the only way you can make money is by disregarding environmental consequences, then we don't really want that energy.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Bingo! Large energy firms will sometimes play with the idea that they back climate change regulations....because they are the only ones financially capable of staying financially sound after complying with the regulations. Government assisted monopolies.

    To be honest, if the regulations are sound themselves, not being able to comply with them should be a problem. If the only way you can make money is by disregarding environmental consequences, then we don't really want that energy.

    @gftchris said:

    then we don't really want that energy.

    Commie bastard

  • To be honest, when all is said and done, energy is energy. Choosing between different 'brands' is meaningless because you just use electricity. Petrol Gas can be a different story of course, better quality is a thing.

  • @logicisforsquares said:

    Bingo! Large energy firms will sometimes play with the idea that they back climate change regulations....because they are the only ones financially capable of staying financially sound after complying with the regulations. Government assisted monopolies.

    To be honest, if the regulations are sound themselves, not being able to comply with them should be a problem. If the only way you can make money is by disregarding environmental consequences, then we don't really want that energy.

    @gftchris said:

    To be honest, if the regulations are sound themselves, not being able to comply with them should be a problem. If the only way you can make money is by disregarding environmental consequences, then we don't really want that energy.

    The smaller companies complied with the old regs. If you create new regs that are extremely costly for a company, the bigger guys can soak it up. As for the regs being sound, they are normally a total joke but very expensive jokes.

    Example: If you are rich enough, you can just buy carbon credits and keep on doing what you were doing before.

  • That reminds me of something quite dangerous that Trump has said that hasn't been gaining basically any attention anywhere, far as I can see - that for every new regulation, two old regulations must be removed. Which two? Who decides? It's basically just a fuck you to anyone trying to impose new regulations, and that shit plays well with the 'less government is better' folks but sometimes, regulations are needed. Like seatbelts in cars. That's a good thing. But if you had to remove two regulations to impose it?

  • Here's something that surprises me - Rex Tillerson is in favour of the Paris climate deal:

    http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/company/news-and-updates/speeches/the-value-of-partnerships-in-delivering-energy-for-the-future

    “At ExxonMobil, we share the view that the risks of climate change are serious and warrant thoughtful action. Addressing these risks requires broad-based, practical solutions around the world.”

    “Importantly, as a result of the Paris agreement, both developed and developing countries are now working together to mitigate greenhouse gas emissions, while recognizing differing national responsibilities, capacities and circumstances. The best hope for the future is to enable and encourage long-term investments in both proven and new technologies, while supporting effective policies.”

    At least Tillerson is not a fan of Bolton...

    Trying to reserve judgement on this nomination, but as CEO he led Exxon in directions at odds with US interests.

    @gftchris said:

    Here's something that surprises me - Rex Tillerson is in favour of the Paris climate deal:

    http://corporate.exxonmobil.com/en/company/news-and-updates/speeches/the-value-of-partnerships-in-delivering-energy-for-the-future

    Exxon has positioned itself well to thrive no matter which direction the world moves on warming. And arguably their energy sources are more secure if warming is combated.

    A few years ago when oil was $100/barrel and fracking was ramping up, they made a huge move to dramatically increase their natural gas holdings. Most are domestic. Stockholders went from delighted to mad when oil and Nat gas prices both subsequently fell dramatically. But as a result they are poised to shift business to Nat Gas for reduced CO2 power generation and diesel engine conversion. Obviously they already have the retail distribution to support the conversion.