Mike Lombardi Predicts Browns Trade For Jimmy Garoppolo
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They need to sign a FA QB..
Our team has wayyyy too many weaknesses to take a #1 on a QB... unless he's a sure thing which isn't the case in this draft.
I mean, how many QB's have we been through this year? Sign a guy like Garopollo or McCarron and fix the line in the draft!
Drafting an inexperienced QB #1 when our team has this many holes? Come on..
We better be drafting OL high and often
(Only exception would be if we take Garrett #1)
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Your username doesn't check out, Mitch. Lol.
We don't need that many OL. Ours are either hurt (Bitonio, Greco, Reiter, Coleman early), hadn't settled in yet early in the season (Erving, Drango, Pasztor), or have just recently gotten their shot (Cooper). I would frankly only add one.
Or we could draft a ton, cut some then complain when they go elsewhere and play good ball, and wonder how we're going to address all our other needs.
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Your username doesn't check out, Mitch. Lol.
We don't need that many OL. Ours are either hurt (Bitonio, Greco, Reiter, Coleman early), hadn't settled in yet early in the season (Erving, Drango, Pasztor), or have just recently gotten their shot (Cooper). I would frankly only add one.
Or we could draft a ton, cut some then complain when they go elsewhere and play good ball, and wonder how we're going to address all our other needs.
Your username doesn't check out, Mitch. Lol.
We don't need that many OL. Ours are either hurt (Bitonio, Greco, Reiter, Coleman early), hadn't settled in yet early in the season (Erving, Drango, Pasztor), or have just recently gotten their shot (Cooper). I would frankly only add one.
Or we could draft a ton, cut some then complain when they go elsewhere, and wonder how we're going to address all our other needs.
You have a point, our injuries have been crazy this year.
I'd love to see Mitch here, but if we're talking practicality we shouldn't take him #1. We should take a blue chip player #1 and hopefully Mitch falls to the Eagles pick
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They need to sign a FA QB..
Our team has wayyyy too many weaknesses to take a #1 on a QB... unless he's a sure thing which isn't the case in this draft.
I mean, how many QB's have we been through this year? Sign a guy like Garopollo or McCarron and fix the line in the draft!
Drafting an inexperienced QB #1 when our team has this many holes? Come on..
We better be drafting OL high and often
(Only exception would be if we take Garrett #1)
Mitch2Pryor said:
They need to sign a FA QB..
I mean, how many QB's have we been through this year? Sign a guy like Garopollo or McCarron...
Both are signed thru 2017.
And ditto war's reply... although a day 2 pick on an interior OL might be prudent. One always falls to Day 2 thru no fault of his own.
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I did hear Mel Kiper Jr yesterday talking about the idea that Jimmy Garoppolo would be a good fit for the Browns. One more year and he will be a free agent and Bill Belichick will get nothing. Also the Patriots would be loathe to pay him the big bucks as a backup while they already have one that can play. He would step into the Browns as the starter and shouldn't demand too high a draft pick. On the other hand Kiper did actually say that he thought Mitch trubisky was the best bet as a draft pick quarterback even though he would probably have to be a red shirt for one year. (Yes I know that just means riding the pine not an actual red shirt.)
Plus I liked Jimmy Garoppolo when he came out.
WSS
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Well same goes for Mitch Trubisky or Deshaun Watson or Deshawn Kizer... Or RG3 or Cody Kessler or......Duly noted... in case we "do it"... and Jimmy flames out...
But one thing everybody keeps clamoring for is a rookie to sit on the bench and learning the game...
If he blows it won't be the first time somebody bought a lemon from the Bill Belichick used car lot.
WSS
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I'd be fine with this trade if it was the Titans 2nd round pick and a 2018 third. It'd be just as good as taking a rookie and at worst he doesn't up end being the guy (which we fudged up a lot) that we spent a few picks on. I think he has solid potential though compared to other options in the draft or otherwise.
I also like this option because as noted it totally frees up the first three picks for literally the other dozen holes we have.
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Your username doesn't check out, Mitch. Lol.
We don't need that many OL. Ours are either hurt (Bitonio, Greco, Reiter, Coleman early), hadn't settled in yet early in the season (Erving, Drango, Pasztor), or have just recently gotten their shot (Cooper). I would frankly only add one.
Or we could draft a ton, cut some then complain when they go elsewhere, and wonder how we're going to address all our other needs.
You have a point, our injuries have been crazy this year.
I'd love to see Mitch here, but if we're talking practicality we shouldn't take him #1. We should take a blue chip player #1 and hopefully Mitch falls to the Eagles pick
Mitch2Pryor said:
You have a point, our injuries have been crazy this year.
I'd love to see Mitch here, but if we're talking practicality we shouldn't take him #1. We should take a blue chip player #1 and hopefully Mitch falls to the Eagles pick
That will never happen.
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The rumored price for Garoppolo is a first rounder, possibly plus some other picks, AND obviously a new contract for Garoppolo. How in the hell do you price that contract? Do something stupid like Osweiler got with Texans? It's very difficult. NFL analysts don't know everything...we understand that...but I keep reading that there won't be one single rookie QB who is capable of starting day 1. Players like Dak Prescott prove that point wrong, but there are WAY more players that prove that point RIGHT. And that's the thing, we NEED a day 1 starter because we don't really have the time to let some rookie QB marinate on the bench while we trudge out RG III, McCown, or Kessler. We don't have to reach the playoffs next year, but we DO need improvement.
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No quarterback in Cleveland is going to get the opportunity to marinate on the bench.
WSS
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PS the guy that took the Browns jersey, with the extended list of quarterbacks hanging down the back, out of his window is a pussy.
WSS
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I am in the pro-Jimmy Crowd.
He's not garbage just because Belichick is willing to trade him for a first rounder.
Brady is still playing like the best QB in the league and Jimmy has one year left on the contract.
The gamble has already paid off for Bill and now he can cash in that second rounder he spent on Jimmy.
I think he is a good QB with all the skills.
Better prospect than Kessler or those that might be available this year, in my opinion thus far.
Just pitching a tent in Camp Jimmy ... But I want to see more Kessler too.
Zombo
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At the price of a first and second pick?
WSS
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At the price of a first and second pick?
WSS
At the price of a first and second pick?
WSS
I really don't know enough about this outcoming draft class to go all in on something right now.
But I would trade that #1 we get from Philly for Garapollo at this writing.
That should be enough.
Z
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The rumored price for Garoppolo is a first rounder, possibly plus some other picks, AND obviously a new contract for Garoppolo. How in the hell do you price that contract? Do something stupid like Osweiler got with Texans? It's very difficult. NFL analysts don't know everything...we understand that...but I keep reading that there won't be one single rookie QB who is capable of starting day 1. Players like Dak Prescott prove that point wrong, but there are WAY more players that prove that point RIGHT. And that's the thing, we NEED a day 1 starter because we don't really have the time to let some rookie QB marinate on the bench while we trudge out RG III, McCown, or Kessler. We don't have to reach the playoffs next year, but we DO need improvement.
The rumored price for Garoppolo is a first rounder, possibly plus some other picks, AND obviously a new contract for Garoppolo. How in the hell do you price that contract? Do something stupid like Osweiler got with Texans? It's very difficult. NFL analysts don't know everything...we understand that...but I keep reading that there won't be one single rookie QB who is capable of starting day 1. Players like Dak Prescott prove that point wrong, but there are WAY more players that prove that point RIGHT. And that's the thing, we NEED a day 1 starter because we don't really have the time to let some rookie QB marinate on the bench while we trudge out RG III, McCown, or Kessler. We don't have to reach the playoffs next year, but we DO need improvement.
A few things there:
He would be under contract all of 2017, and we could franchise him the next year if need be. Give him 2017 to prove his worth (or not) and sign him to a big money deal afterward. If he plays hardball franchise him then pay the man the following season.
He's not going to garner a first round pick, that's just fodder from bloggers who has no other information than we do. The only reason Bradford got a 1st round tender is because the Vikings were beyond desperate and thought they could win a SB with a viable QB (not so right there). I think the Browns could easily get him for my valuation of a 2nd, 3rd, and 2018 third.
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PS the guy that took the Browns jersey, with the extended list of quarterbacks hanging down the back, out of his window is a pussy.
WSS
PS the guy that took the Browns jersey, with the extended list of quarterbacks hanging down the back, out of his window is a pussy.
Nah... Economic decision...
He was using his tallest mannequin and had nowhere to go short of buying Wilt Chamberlain from Madame Trousseau's...
Zombo said:
The gamble has already paid off for Bill and now he can cash in that second rounder he spent on Jimmy.
That's it in a nutshell... Bill thinks of QBs as currency. Jimmy will will not be his first "cash".
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The rumored price for Garoppolo is a first rounder, possibly plus some other picks, AND obviously a new contract for Garoppolo. How in the hell do you price that contract? Do something stupid like Osweiler got with Texans? It's very difficult. NFL analysts don't know everything...we understand that...but I keep reading that there won't be one single rookie QB who is capable of starting day 1. Players like Dak Prescott prove that point wrong, but there are WAY more players that prove that point RIGHT. And that's the thing, we NEED a day 1 starter because we don't really have the time to let some rookie QB marinate on the bench while we trudge out RG III, McCown, or Kessler. We don't have to reach the playoffs next year, but we DO need improvement.
A few things there:
He would be under contract all of 2017, and we could franchise him the next year if need be. Give him 2017 to prove his worth (or not) and sign him to a big money deal afterward. If he plays hardball franchise him then pay the man the following season.
He's not going to garner a first round pick, that's just fodder from bloggers who has no other information than we do. The only reason Bradford got a 1st round tender is because the Vikings were beyond desperate and thought they could win a SB with a viable QB (not so right there). I think the Browns could easily get him for my valuation of a 2nd, 3rd, and 2018 third.
I think the Browns could easily get him for my valuation of a 2nd, 3rd, and 2018 third.
That could be... Bill is not all that fond of R1 picks.
My initial reaction was you are a bit low, but after looking at the Matt Cassel trade with the Chiefs, I'm not sure. At the time people thought the Chiefs stole Cassell for a 2nd... #34 overall. The thing I'd forgotten was that NE included Mike Vrabel in the deal.
Turned out the market for Matt was not everything the Pats hoped/thought it would be despite his fairly thick resume. What will Jimmy G's market be?
However, since Cassel was a 7th round pick, the return was still pretty damn good... especially after they turned the #34 into Patrick Chung.
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The rumored price for Garoppolo is a first rounder, possibly plus some other picks, AND obviously a new contract for Garoppolo. How in the hell do you price that contract? Do something stupid like Osweiler got with Texans? It's very difficult. NFL analysts don't know everything...we understand that...but I keep reading that there won't be one single rookie QB who is capable of starting day 1. Players like Dak Prescott prove that point wrong, but there are WAY more players that prove that point RIGHT. And that's the thing, we NEED a day 1 starter because we don't really have the time to let some rookie QB marinate on the bench while we trudge out RG III, McCown, or Kessler. We don't have to reach the playoffs next year, but we DO need improvement.
A few things there:
He would be under contract all of 2017, and we could franchise him the next year if need be. Give him 2017 to prove his worth (or not) and sign him to a big money deal afterward. If he plays hardball franchise him then pay the man the following season.
He's not going to garner a first round pick, that's just fodder from bloggers who has no other information than we do. The only reason Bradford got a 1st round tender is because the Vikings were beyond desperate and thought they could win a SB with a viable QB (not so right there). I think the Browns could easily get him for my valuation of a 2nd, 3rd, and 2018 third.
A few things there:
He would be under contract all of 2017, and we could franchise him the next year if need be. Give him 2017 to prove his worth (or not) and sign him to a big money deal afterward. If he plays hardball franchise him then pay the man the following season.
He's not going to garner a first round pick, that's just fodder from bloggers who has no other information than we do. The only reason Bradford got a 1st round tender is because the Vikings were beyond desperate and thought they could win a SB with a viable QB (not so right there). I think the Browns could easily get him for my valuation of a 2nd, 3rd, and 2018 third.
That's a good point about his contract. There's a large part of me that says if we get him for a second rounder, we should pull the damn trigger. Garoppolo got injured while playing the Fins, but I watched that game, and I remember him scanning the field and delivering the ball pretty damn well. His performance didn't appear to be a fluke. He didn't get his yards on trick plays or largely busted coverages. If he truly has the ability to get the ball out of his hands quickly and accurately, then we very well may have our guy here. Garoppolo is far from perfect, but let's get one thing straight: No matter who we select to be our new QB, they ALL have question marks. The allure of somebody like Garoppolo is he gets the ball out quickly, he appears to be quite accurate, he's decently athletic, and most of all...he's been in the NFL for a couple of years and played for perhaps the best coach AND played behind the best QB...ever.
Remember, the hot button stat for Hue Jackson QB's was the time it took for them to throw the ball. The desired time is 2.5 seconds. 2.5 seconds from snap to toss. Andy Dalton was the master at this, and when he gets into that rhythm, he can be deadly. Robert, Josh, and Cody did NOT do this, and it's pretty obvious what the results were.
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God sake, not a first.
Kizer has been on my mind as a potential 2nd to mid round pick. If you want to throw that at the Pats instead of putting it on him, I would probably be ok with that.
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