Mike Lombardi Predicts Browns Trade For Jimmy Garoppolo
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God sake, not a first.
Kizer has been on my mind as a potential 2nd to mid round pick. If you want to throw that at the Pats instead of putting it on him, I would probably be ok with that.
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God sake, not a first.
Kizer has been on my mind as a potential 2nd to mid round pick. If you want to throw that at the Pats instead of putting it on him, I would probably be ok with that.
God sake, not a first.
Kizer has been on my mind as a potential 2nd to mid round pick. If you want to throw that at the Pats instead of putting it on him, I would probably be ok with that.
He probably won't be available in the second, some team will nab him in the first.
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He probably won't be available in the second, some team will nab him in the first.
Yeah I agree, I think he's going to be one of those trade into the late 1st round type of guys. If we do follow that plan Jesus Christ just don't pick him at 22.
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He probably won't be available in the second, some team will nab him in the first.
Yeah I agree, I think he's going to be one of those trade into the late 1st round type of guys. If we do follow that plan Jesus Christ just don't pick him at 22.
Yeah I agree, I think he's going to be one of those trade into the late 1st round type of guys. If we do follow that plan Jesus Christ just don't pick him at 22.
I hope we DO pick him at 22.
Pick a QB at 22 every year. The one who ultimately breaks the streak will be the greatest QB to ever don a Browns jersey.
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As we've discussed a few times, every year there is at least one QB prospect that seems to skyrocket up the board after having a terrific pro day, combine, or whatever. I could see Kizer being that guy because it could come out that Notre Dame was a bigger cluster than people thought, and succeeding with that group of idiots would've been challenging for anybody. Conversely, Kizer could be the QB that SLIDES down the draft, and he could have small hands, a low Wonderlic, or some unforeseen event that pops up out of his past. I could see it going either way. I DO KNOW that Kizer measures up in physical stature category (I don't know his hand size, but I assume it's fine). He certainly "looks the part", but I wasn't terribly impressed with his ability to make reads and fire an accurate ball to the open guy. I only watched him play a few times, and I think one game I watched he actually got benched. Can anybody imagine Teddy Twatwater getting benched? Derek Carr? Maybe it happened the year before they went into the draft, but I certainly don't remember it.
Like it does every year, the draft predictions are going to change monthly up until the draft. I am one of those fans who loves talking about the draft, especially during a draft where we've set ourselves up to basically control the early rounds. Historically, we haven't done too well when we've had multiple early picks, but that doesn't mean we can't get it right this time. It's WAY too early to call ANYONE a bust, but it's safe to say that virtually every single rookie we drafted last year has failed to live up to the lofty standards most of us had (Except maybe Ogbah). It's so tough to make any judgments on Corey Coleman because he got hurt, and then he comes back to a revolving door at QB, and a poor OL. Wide receiver is probably dependent more on every member of the team than any position, and that TOTALLY sucks for Corey. I mean, what are his numbers with Tom Brady? What are his numbers with a mid-tier QB? It's tough to say, but I feel like he'd be having a pretty good season if he played on a DECENT team. We'll never know, but it's just how I feel. I DO KNOW that he's been open enough times to have better numbers, but when you have RG III out there slinging the rock, or McCown and Kessler, his numbers will suck...and they have.
Here's a good video of Kizer playing against Nevada. It's not really a "highlight" reel, as it shows every run and every pass Kizer made during the game...even the bad ones. The video shows how much Kizer likes to run the QB draw, and he's pretty good at that and the option. He makes some very good throws, especially on 3rd and even 4th down. He threw well on the run, and his one truly bad pass was a pick he threw on a deep ball that was woefully under thrown. Watching this video can definitely provide the reasons why people like this kid. He's got the arm AND the legs. He also hit multiple receivers on the run so they could pick up YAC.
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As we've discussed a few times, every year there is at least one QB prospect that seems to skyrocket up the board after having a terrific pro day, combine, or whatever. I could see Kizer being that guy because it could come out that Notre Dame was a bigger cluster than people thought, and succeeding with that group of idiots would've been challenging for anybody. Conversely, Kizer could be the QB that SLIDES down the draft, and he could have small hands, a low Wonderlic, or some unforeseen event that pops up out of his past. I could see it going either way. I DO KNOW that Kizer measures up in physical stature category (I don't know his hand size, but I assume it's fine). He certainly "looks the part", but I wasn't terribly impressed with his ability to make reads and fire an accurate ball to the open guy. I only watched him play a few times, and I think one game I watched he actually got benched. Can anybody imagine Teddy Twatwater getting benched? Derek Carr? Maybe it happened the year before they went into the draft, but I certainly don't remember it.
Like it does every year, the draft predictions are going to change monthly up until the draft. I am one of those fans who loves talking about the draft, especially during a draft where we've set ourselves up to basically control the early rounds. Historically, we haven't done too well when we've had multiple early picks, but that doesn't mean we can't get it right this time. It's WAY too early to call ANYONE a bust, but it's safe to say that virtually every single rookie we drafted last year has failed to live up to the lofty standards most of us had (Except maybe Ogbah). It's so tough to make any judgments on Corey Coleman because he got hurt, and then he comes back to a revolving door at QB, and a poor OL. Wide receiver is probably dependent more on every member of the team than any position, and that TOTALLY sucks for Corey. I mean, what are his numbers with Tom Brady? What are his numbers with a mid-tier QB? It's tough to say, but I feel like he'd be having a pretty good season if he played on a DECENT team. We'll never know, but it's just how I feel. I DO KNOW that he's been open enough times to have better numbers, but when you have RG III out there slinging the rock, or McCown and Kessler, his numbers will suck...and they have.
Here's a good video of Kizer playing against Nevada. It's not really a "highlight" reel, as it shows every run and every pass Kizer made during the game...even the bad ones. The video shows how much Kizer likes to run the QB draw, and he's pretty good at that and the option. He makes some very good throws, especially on 3rd and even 4th down. He threw well on the run, and his one truly bad pass was a pick he threw on a deep ball that was woefully under thrown. Watching this video can definitely provide the reasons why people like this kid. He's got the arm AND the legs. He also hit multiple receivers on the run so they could pick up YAC.
As we've discussed a few times, every year there is at least one QB prospect that seems to skyrocket up the board after having a terrific pro day, combine, or whatever. I could see Kizer being that guy because it could come out that Notre Dame was a bigger cluster than people thought, and succeeding with that group of idiots would've been challenging for anybody.
Conversely, Kizer could be the QB that SLIDES down the draft, and he could have small hands, a low Wonderlic, or some unforeseen event that pops up out of his past. I could see it going either way. I DO KNOW that Kizer measures up in physical stature category (I don't know his hand size, but I assume it's fine). He certainly "looks the part", but I wasn't terribly impressed with his ability to make reads and fire an accurate ball to the open guy. I only watched him play a few times, and I think one game I watched he actually got benched.
+1 for the bold faced bit...
Again, before your final verdict is rendered, I urge everyone to watch some of Kizer's 2015 tape. He was a distraction when I video scouted ND OLs last winter. I guarantee you will see what the underlined bit reports is not there. IIRC ND's bowl game vs. our Buckeyes was a pretty good example, but the best was his career outing vs. Pittsburgh.
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Yeah I agree, I think he's going to be one of those trade into the late 1st round type of guys. If we do follow that plan Jesus Christ just don't pick him at 22.
I hope we DO pick him at 22.
Pick a QB at 22 every year. The one who ultimately breaks the streak will be the greatest QB to ever don a Browns jersey.
I hope we DO pick him at 22.
Pick a QB at 22 every year. The one who ultimately breaks the streak will be the greatest QB to ever don a Browns jersey.
As I've always said "it's only stupid if it doesn't work!"
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"Effectively working fringes"
Is this what people mean by spin ?
Sounds like the front office version of....I can see it in their eyes.
My prediction- three qbs go in the first Mitch, Watson, and Kiser maybe more.
He probably won't be available in the second, some team will nab him in the first.
I know you like him TC- but I hope it's not us.
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"Effectively working fringes"
Is this what people mean by spin ?
Sounds like the front office version of....I can see it in their eyes.
My prediction- three qbs go in the first Mitch, Watson, and Kiser maybe more.
He probably won't be available in the second, some team will nab him in the first.
I know you like him TC- but I hope it's not us.
My prediction- three qbs go in the first Mitch, Watson, and Kiser maybe more.
I know you like him TC- but I hope it's not us.
Russell and Quinn went in the first back when media constantly informed us how pro ready Quinn was as often as they could.
As I've posted, I only saw Trubisky once and he looked pretty good on a day they lost to their cross town rival they were supposed to beat. That said, I don't think there's a big enough body of work that makes him a first QB as much as a disappointing supply for the demand. If he's the answer to anyone's prayers inclusive of the team he just played on, why is the guy only a 1 year starter in the ACC? You have to give me something better than your buddy in North Carolina really likes him. Does he read progressions to the extent he's on time? Is he a quick learner? I saw a lot of timing patterns predicated off the pre-specified drops that were accurate, which I liked.
Now factor this in. Not only will he have to read progressions at the speed of the NFL (not to be confused with the ACC) - but it will also have to be behind a pass protection that has struggled most of 2016. That can be quite a culture shock as we've witnessed here since 1999. We have quite an inventory of QBs that couldn't finish starts or fill in duty. Whitehurst almost had enough time to sip a cup of coffee here. And when we put a rookie QB in that started 3 seasons in college - he's got 2 concussions and a Partridge in a pear tree to show for it all. Nothing against Trubisky, but there's some things to be concerned about from a franchise that has deserved a lot of criticism for flushing first round picks down the toilet while many of us are hoping for early picks that can bring us sudden impact/game changing ability.
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My prediction- three qbs go in the first Mitch, Watson, and Kiser maybe more.
I know you like him TC- but I hope it's not us.
Russell and Quinn went in the first back when media constantly informed us how pro ready Quinn was as often as they could.
As I've posted, I only saw Trubisky once and he looked pretty good on a day they lost to their cross town rival they were supposed to beat. That said, I don't think there's a big enough body of work that makes him a first QB as much as a disappointing supply for the demand. If he's the answer to anyone's prayers inclusive of the team he just played on, why is the guy only a 1 year starter in the ACC? You have to give me something better than your buddy in North Carolina really likes him. Does he read progressions to the extent he's on time? Is he a quick learner? I saw a lot of timing patterns predicated off the pre-specified drops that were accurate, which I liked.
Now factor this in. Not only will he have to read progressions at the speed of the NFL (not to be confused with the ACC) - but it will also have to be behind a pass protection that has struggled most of 2016. That can be quite a culture shock as we've witnessed here since 1999. We have quite an inventory of QBs that couldn't finish starts or fill in duty. Whitehurst almost had enough time to sip a cup of coffee here. And when we put a rookie QB in that started 3 seasons in college - he's got 2 concussions and a Partridge in a pear tree to show for it all. Nothing against Trubisky, but there's some things to be concerned about from a franchise that has deserved a lot of criticism for flushing first round picks down the toilet while many of us are hoping for early picks that can bring us sudden impact/game changing ability.
If he's the answer to anyone's prayers inclusive of the team he just played on, why is the guy only a 1 year starter in the ACC?
Doesn't help me that he sat at NC behind Marquise Williams, a dual-threat UDFA, who was cut by the Vikes and then signed by GB, where he's a #3 and has not seen the field this season. While it is certainly understandable why he has not, I did see a pre-season report that he "struggled".
Like you, however, I still have not "studied" him... and won't unless he declares.
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He probably won't be available in the second, some team will nab him in the first.
Point being, if Kizer IS available in the 2nd. I would take my shot there.
+1 for the bold faced bit...
Again, before your final verdict is rendered, I urge everyone to watch some of Kizer's 2015 tape. He was a distraction when I video scouted ND OLs last winter. I guarantee you will see what the underlined bit reports is not there. IIRC ND's bowl game vs. our Buckeyes was a pretty good example, but the best was his career outing vs. Pittsburgh.
QB regression scares me. Because it's hard to tell how much is on the team around him, the dearth of talent, lack of coaching, or is it defenses finally having film.
I've no doubt of his physical talents. Between the ears trumps that always.
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If he's the answer to anyone's prayers inclusive of the team he just played on, why is the guy only a 1 year starter in the ACC?
Doesn't help me that he sat at NC behind Marquise Williams, a dual-threat UDFA, who was cut by the Vikes and then signed by GB, where he's a #3 and has not seen the field this season. While it is certainly understandable why he has not, I did see a pre-season report that he "struggled".
Like you, however, I still have not "studied" him... and won't unless he declares.
Doesn't help me that he sat at NC behind Marquise Williams, a dual-threat UDFA, who was cut by the Vikes and then signed by GB, where he's a #3 and has not seen the field this season. While it is certainly understandable why he has not, I did see a pre-season report that he "struggled".
Like you, however, I still have not "studied" him... and won't unless he declares.
Then you and Flugs need to tune in 2PM on the 30th NC - Stanford. I know me & Gip will.
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He probably won't be available in the second, some team will nab him in the first.
Point being, if Kizer IS available in the 2nd. I would take my shot there.
+1 for the bold faced bit...
Again, before your final verdict is rendered, I urge everyone to watch some of Kizer's 2015 tape. He was a distraction when I video scouted ND OLs last winter. I guarantee you will see what the underlined bit reports is not there. IIRC ND's bowl game vs. our Buckeyes was a pretty good example, but the best was his career outing vs. Pittsburgh.
QB regression scares me. Because it's hard to tell how much is on the team around him, the dearth of talent, lack of coaching, or is it defenses finally having film.
I've no doubt of his physical talents. Between the ears trumps that always.
QB regression scares me. Because it's hard to tell how much is on the team around him, the dearth of talent, lack of coaching, or is it defenses finally having film.
I've no doubt of his physical talents. Between the ears trumps that always.
Agree... regression right up there with fast risers on the "fright-o-meter". But there are limits to the load any QB can carry, and the increase in Kizer's this season was palpable... and incessant.
Then you and Flugs need to tune in 2PM on the 30th NC - Stanford. I know me & Gip will.
Assuming I can wrestle the remote away from my youngest granddaughter and Peppa Pig... I'll be there.
Not sure I like my odds tho...
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He probably won't be available in the second, some team will nab him in the first.
Point being, if Kizer IS available in the 2nd. I would take my shot there.
+1 for the bold faced bit...
Again, before your final verdict is rendered, I urge everyone to watch some of Kizer's 2015 tape. He was a distraction when I video scouted ND OLs last winter. I guarantee you will see what the underlined bit reports is not there. IIRC ND's bowl game vs. our Buckeyes was a pretty good example, but the best was his career outing vs. Pittsburgh.
QB regression scares me. Because it's hard to tell how much is on the team around him, the dearth of talent, lack of coaching, or is it defenses finally having film.
I've no doubt of his physical talents. Between the ears trumps that always.
Point being, if Kizer IS available in the 2nd. I would take my shot there.
QB regression scares me. Because it's hard to tell how much is on the team around him, the dearth of talent, lack of coaching, or is it defenses finally having film.
I've no doubt of his physical talents. Between the ears trumps that always.
Oh, absolutely. If he's there in the second, you have to take your shot.
My feeling on Kizer is this - not one thing about Notre Dame helps him out. He doesn't look like he's comfortable with quick bubble screens, yet Kelly runs at least a game. His receivers have dropped many passes that have hit them directly in the hands; they're not exactly world beaters. St. Brown is his only real weapon. Their defense is atrocious and their running game is meh at best. Save for a handful of bonehead plays, Kizer is what's keeping them in games most of the time.
I'd rather gamble on a prospect who's performing despite his situation instead of capitalizing on having a better team. Kizer has his flaws, but I see Carr-esque potential in him.
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Point being, if Kizer IS available in the 2nd. I would take my shot there.
QB regression scares me. Because it's hard to tell how much is on the team around him, the dearth of talent, lack of coaching, or is it defenses finally having film.
I've no doubt of his physical talents. Between the ears trumps that always.
Oh, absolutely. If he's there in the second, you have to take your shot.
My feeling on Kizer is this - not one thing about Notre Dame helps him out. He doesn't look like he's comfortable with quick bubble screens, yet Kelly runs at least a game. His receivers have dropped many passes that have hit them directly in the hands; they're not exactly world beaters. St. Brown is his only real weapon. Their defense is atrocious and their running game is meh at best. Save for a handful of bonehead plays, Kizer is what's keeping them in games most of the time.
I'd rather gamble on a prospect who's performing despite his situation instead of capitalizing on having a better team. Kizer has his flaws, but I see Carr-esque potential in him.
Oh, absolutely. If he's there in the second, you have to take your shot.
My feeling on Kizer is this - not one thing about Notre Dame helps him out. He doesn't look like he's comfortable with quick bubble screens, yet Kelly runs at least a game. His receivers have dropped many passes that have hit them directly in the hands; they're not exactly world beaters. St. Brown is his only real weapon. Their defense is atrocious and their running game is meh at best. Save for a handful of bonehead plays, Kizer is what's keeping them in games most of the time.
I'd rather gamble on a prospect who's performing despite his situation instead of capitalizing on having a better team. Kizer has his flaws, but I see Carr-esque potential in him.
The little bit that I watched him this year, he looked atrocious....but again, I didn't watch a lot of ND this year.
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Point being, if Kizer IS available in the 2nd. I would take my shot there.
QB regression scares me. Because it's hard to tell how much is on the team around him, the dearth of talent, lack of coaching, or is it defenses finally having film.
I've no doubt of his physical talents. Between the ears trumps that always.
Oh, absolutely. If he's there in the second, you have to take your shot.
My feeling on Kizer is this - not one thing about Notre Dame helps him out. He doesn't look like he's comfortable with quick bubble screens, yet Kelly runs at least a game. His receivers have dropped many passes that have hit them directly in the hands; they're not exactly world beaters. St. Brown is his only real weapon. Their defense is atrocious and their running game is meh at best. Save for a handful of bonehead plays, Kizer is what's keeping them in games most of the time.
I'd rather gamble on a prospect who's performing despite his situation instead of capitalizing on having a better team. Kizer has his flaws, but I see Carr-esque potential in him.
Oh, absolutely. If he's there in the second, you have to take your shot.
My feeling on Kizer is this - not one thing about Notre Dame helps him out. He doesn't look like he's comfortable with quick bubble screens, yet Kelly runs at least a game. His receivers have dropped many passes that have hit them directly in the hands; they're not exactly world beaters. St. Brown is his only real weapon. Their defense is atrocious and their running game is meh at best. Save for a handful of bonehead plays, Kizer is what's keeping them in games most of the time.
I'd rather gamble on a prospect who's performing despite his situation instead of capitalizing on having a better team. Kizer has his flaws, but I see Carr-esque potential in him.
That's exactly the same way I feel about Mitch TC. Trubiski has one weapon (Switzer) and his o-line pretty much stinks.
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