Great Expectations, Quinn should have a Great Year!

Snatch98

@inspecta said:
I think 50 is entirely possible....

and they're off! out in front is Inspecta with the outlandish expectations, followed by...........

50 TD's is A LOT of damn touch downs and while it may not be entirely unreasonable with your offensive line you're still putting a lot of expectations on two rookie WR's and Edwards who may or may not be a Brown when the season kicks off. You also have 3 largely unproven QB's in the AFC north with two of the BEST defenses in the NFL. Last season was outlandish expectation after outlandish expectation on this message board and you all know where things ended. 4-12 with a top 5 pick. I'd temper the expectation and be thankful you had a good draft and things seem to be on the right track. The "predictions" are only going to get you in trouble. My two cents. *kisses*

EDIT: I posted before reading the entire thread. MASTERS is on the right track. It's going to be a process and the Stains are on the right track. You can now go back to re-reading my post above.

? Masters

@snatch98 said:
and they're off! out in front is Inspecta with the outlandish expectations, followed by...........
50 TD's is A LOT of damn touch downs and while it may not be entirely unreasonable with your offensive line you're still putting a lot of expectations on two rookie WR's and Edwards who may or may not be a Brown when the season kicks off. You also have 3 largely unproven QB's in the AFC north with two of the BEST defenses in the NFL. Last season was outlandish expectation after outlandish expectation on this message board and you all know where things ended. 4-12 with a top 5 pick. I'd temper the expectation and be thankful you had a good draft and things seem to be on the right track. The "predictions" are only going to get you in trouble. My two cents. *kisses*

EDIT: I posted before reading the entire thread. MASTERS is on the right track. It's going to be a process and the Stains are on the right track. You can now go back to re-reading my post above.

I think the high numbers are a bit tongue and cheek, aimed at certain people.

Gips

@mr.-t said:
Quinn should be capable of haveing a 4,000 yard year with the WR's he know has and a plus withthat O-Line, which will probably be one of the best in the NFL with the new additions we hust paicked up.
Alex Mack OT, Brian Robiskie WR & Mohamed Massaquoi.

Even old man Lewis should be able to have another 1,000 yard season with this line. Their is the possibility with the revamped O-line and with these receivers that Quinn could run the spread offense very effectively.

Mangini's offense will be a run based control game 4000 yds is not very likely at all...hehehehehe

Snatch98

Masters said:
I think the high numbers are a bit tongue and cheek, aimed at certain people.

Yea after re-reading and posting my edit I thought that it may have been a "dig" type comment but seeing as I'm not over here all the time I couldn't be sure. Either way I can't wait for the season to start.

pl4tinum

It's shocking that there are even any DA fans left out there.

You guys are f--king pathetic. Wake up, the dude isn't playing another minute in Cleveland.

You may as well leave the board now and save your vaginas the bleeding.

? Masters

@inspecta said:
DING DING DING!!
Can't get nuthin' by that ol' masters....

Every now and than I catch on...lol

SiperBowl

@shepwrite said:
Quinn completed about 64% of his passes in his two years under Weis, his last extensive starting experience. He had one healthy start last year and completed, what? 70%? All jousting aside, that's what we have as far as projections.
Upside: Daboll's offense is expected to be very Weis-ian, and Quinn had 69 TDs and 14 INTs in that system. He knows it well and it suits him. It requires quick reads and quick decisions, something Quinn does well.

Other upside: Our line should be Top Five-ish. We should expect Thomas, Steinbach, and Mack to be among the best at their positions. We have plenty of right-side maulers in St. Clair, Womack, Tucker, and Hadnot.

Third upside: I think Lewis comes in cut and trim and ready to earn another contract and he'll be running behind a line that plugged its biggest hole (Fraley). It's like when we plugged Andruzzi. I think we'll run the ball consistently in 2009. And that will benefit Quinn.

The hope of a first year starter is that he hits the benchmarks -- 60% completion, 7 yards per attempt, and 1.5 times as many TDs as INTs.

I liked everything you had to say except the bottom as many TD's as Int's, that is for losers like DA you just hope that dose not happen Quinn is a hell of a lot better than that. And besides this will be his 3rd year in, with an exception of how many offensive coordinators has he had.

Question did Mangini hire a QB coach?

Tobalaz

@lumbergh said:
Yeah probably 45 TDs too, right?

Better than 45 interceptions.

Drunkandstoopid

@pl4tinum said:
It's shocking that there are even any DA fans left out there.
You guys are f--king pathetic. Wake up, the dude isn't playing another minute in Cleveland.

You may as well leave the board now and save your vaginas the bleeding.

The pathetic ones are the guys who are afraid to let the coaches make the decision. I'm cool with BQ being given his shot if the coaches want it, but I'm assuming nothing's a given yet. I'm not the one who posted that word was getting out from the players in the clubhouse that Mangini actually seems to prefer DA at this point... I think that was Shepwrite.

Mr. T

@drunkandstoopid said:
The pathetic ones are the guys who are afraid to let the coaches make the decision. I'm cool with BQ being given his shot if the coaches want it, but I'm assuming nothing's a given yet. I'm not the one who posted that word was getting out from the players in the clubhouse that Mangini actually seems to prefer DA at this point... I think that was Shepwrite.

You cant be serious. After DA's performance since the end of 2007 and how piss poor he performed in 2008, do you think for one minute that he has a shot.

Any statements said prior to the draft need to be excluded, you need to think about how they used this to bait a team like the Jets into trading with them. Ask yourself where did Mark Sanchez get drafted?

Smoke and Mirrors.

roach

DA's pre-concussion performance of 10-5, 29 TD's and 19 Int's set the bar. With a couple of starts under his belt and a couple of years holding a clipboard, we should know by Week 4 if Quinn is any good. i hope he is.

? AdaM

@roach said:
DA's pre-concussion performance of 10-5, 29 TD's and 19 Int's set the bar. With a couple of starts under his belt and a couple of years holding a clipboard, we should know by Week 4 if Quinn is any good. i hope he is.

I don't know if you can really consider that 'setting the bar' considering he can't come remotely close to repeating his own performance.

I think that was more along the lines of 'fluke'.

hammertime

AdaM said:
I don't know if you can really consider that 'setting the bar' considering he can't come remotely close to repeating his own performance.
I think that was more along the lines of 'fluke'.

Fluke or not those are the numbers that has everyone talking about the fikkin QB for the past 100 yrs.

? AdaM

@hammertime said:
Fluke or not those are the numbers that has everyone talking about the fikkin QB for the past 100 yrs.

Its only going to get worse from here. Tons O' tards on here think Ratliff is going to compete for starting ... haha

hammertime

AdaM said:
Its only going to get worse from here. Tons O' tards on here think Ratliff is going to compete for starting ... haha

Great! We are going back to the days of people wanting Spurgeon Wynn, the undiscovered diamond to lead us to glory. Its amazing that with todays technology of game footage and every stat imaginable people think we should give everybody there chance to become the Kurt Warner or whoever. If there is anything the Browns fans should have learned from terrible history of late is patience.

gmp

@inspecta said:
Hell Quinn could make a run at the MVP this season....

I was thinking more like Hall of Fame!!!!

osusev

@greythan said:
Yeah, a QB who checks down is awful. Seriously, why take a completed short pass that puts you in a 2nd/3rd and short when you could have someone try and force a midrange ball for an incompletion or an INT?
I'd much rather see more of DA's decision making vs a check down. Much more exciting.

Greythan there is nothing wrong with checking down as a 2nd or 3rd/4th option. His second game saw the defensive coordinators jamming at the line and playing tight and his numbers crashed immediately. He wanted the quick short strikes and it showed.

I have no problem with Quinn starting and PROVING/EARNING his fan status but like when he was drafted I did not buy into the COLLEGE hype or the "WEIS effect"(how is that doing for ND and their new QB.... not to mention how many were drafted this year/) Honestly I still dont buy he is a NFL qb, I know that is not "popular fan" opinion but it is mine. I hope he gets the chance this year so we can see what we drafted but if Mangini and company dont start him it will be pretty clear to me that IF 2 different regimes dont buy into him than he was all hype.

Like the deal with Stafford this year getting paid stupid money for some Kid who has never taken a snap and has all of that fan support is Dumb. The NFL is such a hodgepodge of players that come from all kinds of programs and rounds/undrafted that actually succed and start.

Mr. T

The Browns may not have everything in place for the Idea situation, but I will say Quinn's time has come. We will know more once preseason gets here.

Greythan

Sev, I really think you simply have some type of inferiority complex on this topic.

Your bias shows through for 1) highly touted college players and the resulting 2) HUGE contracts/fame/adulation thrown at them without any tangible results at the NFL level.

I understand that.

However, this quote has me really laughing:

Like the deal with Stafford this year getting paid stupid money for some Kid who has never taken a snap and has all of that fan support is Dumb. The NFL is such a hodgepodge of players that come from all kinds of programs and rounds/undrafted that actually succed and start.

First off, there is nothing dumb at all about the contracts. As you continually try and remind me, you're a businessman. Well, then you of all people should understand supply and demand. Stafford wouldn't have gotten $40m GUARANTEED from the Lions if there wasn't an economic case to be made. Its not dumb, its actually quite rational. Now, is it emotionally tough to swallow: the thought of a 21 year old kid leaving school and year early to have $40m dropped in his lap? Sure. If it turns out this level of rookie contracts is economically unsustainable... you'll see a salary cap. Until then, it is what it is.

Second, you always want to bring up the Rocky Balboa analogy of the "late round guy" or the "undrafted guy" making good. Yeah, it happens. Its a nice story. Its also THE LOWEST PROBABILITY. We've posted statistics before that bear out the old rule: the higher the draft pick the higher the probability they'll have a successful NFL career. Its a fact. Do first rounders flame out? Sure. However, over several drafts (follow me here: law of large numbers) the stats favor the higher round picks. Like it or not, the NFL talent evaluators are actually good at what they do. There's a reason DA was drafted in the sixth round and Quinn in the first. Is it infaliable? No, Savage may have gotten it wrong. However, the odds are in Quinn's favor..... like it or not.

The rest of your post simply reinforces your anti-ND, anti-Weiss, and anti-Quinn bias. I actually don't have an anti-OSU, anti-Whoever-the-hell-coached-DA, and anti-DA bias. What I have is an anti-Bad-QB'ing bias. So, I'd like to see what Quinn can do. If he sucks too..... let's get another QB.

daddybull1

I realize that the camps of both Quinn & Anderson are pretty set in their ways, just let me add some thoughts from a guy who could care less who's under center...

Keep in mind that almost all of the players in the league earned all american status while in college...

After the 2007 season, I was in Florida attending a sports show and had the privledge to meet Carson Palmer from the Bengals...Our conversation went back to that game in Cincy... Palmer told me that those were the toughest wind conditions he had ever played in... He stated that at times once the ball left his hand he had no idea where it would end up... In fact, he told me he missed one pass by as much as 10 yards.....

In addition, he also stated that the league has had a file on Anderson since the days he played (or didn't play) in Baltimore.... In the pro's they know your abilities as soon as you hit camp... The thing that struck me as rather odd is that he inferred that by mid season the league had a book on Chud's tendancies and in certain situations his play calling was most predictible... Chud consistantly put his players in a position to fail rather than win....

Keep in mind that neither QB is Mangini's pick so he's really not committed to either and can lay the blame on the Savage regime if either doesn't live up to the fans expectations.... Neither Quarterback sucks (using board terminology) but one will be asked to take the Mangini regime to the next level....Let the competition begin.....

T.Dawg