Chris fixes the Browns
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Insane how some of you still get hung up on 34 and 43.
Our base front is a nickel package at this point. We run some under and some 34 nickel which is essentially a 33. I'm having trouble thinking of a team that runs a specific and 'pure'scheme anymore. Your argument in it is old.
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The cowboys run a pure 43, same with the vikes, dolphins i beleive, bengals etc,etc
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The cowboys run a pure 43, same with the vikes, dolphins i beleive, bengals etc,etc
The cowboys run a pure 43, same with the vikes, dolphins i beleive, bengals etc,etc
I can tell you just how they use Barr the Vikes do not. Can't confirm on the Dolphins, I may yield to you the Bungles.
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What do the vikes do? Every game ive seen from this year they had the same 4 and 3 lb'ers. Im not sure they even zone their ends. That d line is a prototype 43 dl, and i like it. They held their own against those dallas monsters a few weeks ago. Most pressure ive seen dak under this year
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What do the vikes do? Every game ive seen from this year they had the same 4 and 3 lb'ers. Im not sure they even zone their ends. That d line is a prototype 43 dl, and i like it. They held their own against those dallas monsters a few weeks ago. Most pressure ive seen dak under this year
What do the vikes do? Every game ive seen from this year they had the same 4 and 3 lb'ers. Im not sure they even zone their ends. That d line is a prototype 43 dl, and i like it. They held their own against those dallas monsters a few weeks ago. Most pressure ive seen dak under this year
They're a nickel team as well, for the most part. They'll also take Barr and use him as a WLB, or at times put in him a 3pt. On passing downs they use a lot of 33 looks, double A gap pressures and jams.
Their base looks like an over call. But if you're going to refer to any defense and simply call it a 43 based on what their base is, then to me that's the defense you spend your most time in. That would be the nickel for every team in the NFL.
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Fair enough
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Whennic a team employing 2 DT's and 2 full time hands in the dirt proper like DE's.....i call em a 43 no matter what they do with the lb'ers. For me it boils down to personnel types. A team that has some 250-260lb hybrid guy that sometimes stands sometimes gets down, thats not a 43 thats the gay 34 ive come to despise mainly cause it dont work here.
Im sorry but i pay attention to our edges and how they establish the point in the run game and how well they trim the edge on their way to the qb. All of which our 34 guys simply stink at. Yeah they've gotten a few sacks cause some qb didnt step up in time, but consistency wise they're terrible. They cannot establish and hold the point against the run, at all. They're always diving inside or out immediately cause they know they cannot hold off the tackles for even a split second to read theplay. So they just guess right from snap and the RB's always read them, always. Mccoy could have run for 200+ yds if rex wanted it. It was just there everytime. When nassib amd ogbah are in there things get a little more congested for opposing rb's it seems. Not saying those guys are run stopping savants but they seem to perturb the rumning lanes alot better than the 34 olb'ers
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I saw our big pick up collins get slapped to the ground with one hand by an ol, did anyone else catch that?
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Here's mine:
Step 0: Resign - Resign Jonathan Cooper as RG and Terrelle Pryor at WR. These two cannot be allowed to hit the FA market.
Step 0.5: Free Agency - Sign Luke Joeckel at RT either Stephon Gilmore and DJ Hayden at CB - both would be suitable acquisitions as they are both young (26) and will likely not receive gigantic contracts due to underperformance. This would give us two young, talented starters at two positions of need that would not cost us much money comparatively. SS Jahleel Addae is set to hit the market next year if the Chargers don't find a way to lock him down. He's a heavy hitting SS that would be a great fit for us - he's young and won't command too much money but should theoretically outplay his contract given what he's currently valued and what he's able to produce.
Contracts of free agents added - (keep in mind I was extremely conservative with how much they'd be paid, I assumed almost $8-10 mil higher than what similar counterparts made last year):
- Luke Jockel - 5 yr/ $35 million - $7mil/year
- Stephon Gilmore - 4 yr / $50 million - $12.5mil/year
- Jahleel Addae - 5 yr/ $45 million - $9mil/year
Steps 1, 2, and 3 seem like no brainers to me - switch to 43, resign Collins, draft Garrett at #1. That gives us two very talented players in our front seven for at least the next four years.
Step 4: The QB. As it stands right now, I don't foresee us able to land either Kizer or Trubisky at #33 - so I suggest taking one of the two at #7. I'm more partial to Kizer at this moment, personally. There's a lot to be said for his durability, athletic ability, and "it" quality. He's a Derek Carr in the making, in my opinion - he needs refinement and coaching but he possesses almost every single thing you'd want and I see him being a good fit in a Hue (circa 2014) offense. Heavy run and play action will create hesitancy, as we all know, allowing Kizer to take advantage down the field and on intermediate routes.
Step 5: The Switch. What I'd like to see is Haden pull a Woodson and make the switch to free safety. He's lost a step but has the same instincts and ball skills. He'd benefit from playing center field and it's similar to us adding a guy like Eric Berry via FA, just cheaper as we won't be taking on a new big contract.
Step 6: The other CB: Then, at #33, I suggest taking Adoree Jackson...or King or Jones if they so happen to be available. Basically BCB available to start opposite our FA CB.
Step 7: The TE. I have to agree that Barnidge, while being one of my favorites, isn't an all around TE. Getting a guy like Jake Butt at #47 would allow us the opportunity to have an all purpose TE to trot out their in 2TE sets and keep the defense slightly on their heels. Eventually he'd become our TE1, obviously.
Step 8: The Rest of the Draft. Take BPA rest of the draft, but don't focus on OL. We don't need it. We don't suffer from a lack of talented bodies, we suffer from a lack of keeping those talented bodies on the field in the position they are used to playing. OL is a groove position more than ANY other position on the field being that your job is dependent on the guy next to you not failing at his. If the BPA is an OL, take him. But if not, don't reach. I would like to see us add Ryan Switzer in the later rounds, he has a knack for finding soft spots. I would also like to see us land Kyle Fuller in the 4th, he has starter potential in the future.
Roster:
bold denotes rookie
italics denotes free agent
underline denotes new position
Offense:
QB - Kizer - Kessler - Hogan
RB - Crowell - Duke - Jackson
WR1- Pryor - Higgins - Louis
WR2 - Coleman - Hawkins - Switzer - Alford
TE - Barnidge - Butt - DeValve
LT - Thomas - Coleman
LG - Bitonio - Reiter - Erving
C - Greco - Fuller
RG - Cooper - Erving - Reiter
RT - Joeckel - Pazstor
Defense:
LDE - Ogbah - Nassib
LDT - Shelton - Meder
RDT - Bryant- Cooper
RDE - Garrett - Orchard
LOLB - Kirksey - Schobert
MLB - Davis -
ROLB - Collins - Johnson
CB1 - Gilmore/Hayden
CB2 - Jackson/King - Boddy-CalhounNICKEL - Taylor
FS - Haden - Baker
SS - Addae - Kindred - CampbellKey points:
- That gives us 6 new immediate starters (QB, RT, CB1, CB2, SS, DE) along with a new face at FS (Haden), LOLB (Kirksey), RG (Cooper) and DT (Bryant). That's 10 positions addressed via FA and the draft.
- Our OL would be composed of three 1st round picks (Thomas, Cooper, Joeckel) a 2nd round pick (Bito) and Greco. Assuming non-injury, that would give us among one of the most talented offensive lines in the league on paper and with an entire offseason to work together, I believe they'd be just as good on the field.
- We'd have the leading pass rushers of 2015 and 2016 at DE positions, along with another top pass rusher (Nassib) in the wings.
- Although there's honestly no way of knowing, I'd venture a guess that Haden would rank among the top 15 of FS in his first year. There would be growing pains, but he has the skillset for a center field position. He just wouldn't be a hitter.
- The Kirksey/Davis LB combo would be weak, but you can't fix everything immediately.
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Insane how some of you still get hung up on 34 and 43.
Our base front is a nickel package at this point. We run some under and some 34 nickel which is essentially a 33. I'm having trouble thinking of a team that runs a specific and 'pure'scheme anymore. Your argument in it is old.
Insane how some of you still get hung up on 34 and 43.
Our base front is a nickel package at this point. We run some under and some 34 nickel which is essentially a 33. I'm having trouble thinking of a team that runs a specific and 'pure'scheme anymore. Your argument in it is old.
It's not the nomenclature that bothers me, it's the utilization of drafted player's skillsets. I don't care if we run a 425, 43, 46 or 33 and then trot a OLB up to the line - I'd just like to see us use our drafted 1gap edge rushers as what they are along with having them rush from the 2pt, cover, and play contain. It's a waste to draft a true 4-3 DE and then have him solely play 3-4 OLB, even if it's a good transition for him. It would be like buying a Lamborghini solely to sit in traffic.
Having Garrett, Ogbah, Collins, Orchard and Nassib as rotating ends/OLB allows us more flexibility to switch easily from a 4 man front to a 3 man front without having to change personnel often. Collins can play OLB in 3 or 4 man fronts, Ogbah, Garrett and Orchard can play OLB or DE if needed, Nassib can play DE in 3 or 4 man fronts.
Line up in whatever front you'd like, but a rush package with Garrett and Ogbah on the ends is a tantalizing scenario to imagine. Having the ability to shift down to that at the drop of the hat is even more tantalizing.
You getting hung up on nomenclature is old.
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You can say an argument between 34 and 43 is meaningless because we're in nickel about 40-50% of the time, but then that likely means four down lineman. If we then make the base "not nickel" a 43 then Garrett fits both better than Allen.
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Im in camp allen becuse he looks stronger in his tape. They both technically fit the 4-3 but if we stay in the 3-4 its garett that fits the DE/olb mold. We dont need another 5 tech.
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McCown's retiring, no doubt. He should be retained though on staff.
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If Cutler can accept a backup role and comes in with a good attitude then I really like that idea. Not sure if he does either. I find it difficult to keep McCown another year because he can't actually play football. And at some point, no matter how good of a locker room guy you are, that matters.
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McCown's retiring, no doubt. He should be retained though on staff.
If he decides to go that way, he just might become a good HC. Not many can coach up a QB anymore and he seems to have a knack. That maybe something to keep in mind next year when we could be faced with an interim HC and looking for a new one type situation.McCown's retiring, no doubt. He should be retained though on staff.
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Here's mine:
Step 0: Resign - Resign Jonathan Cooper as RG and Terrelle Pryor at WR. These two cannot be allowed to hit the FA market.
Step 0.5: Free Agency - Sign Luke Joeckel at RT either Stephon Gilmore and DJ Hayden at CB - both would be suitable acquisitions as they are both young (26) and will likely not receive gigantic contracts due to underperformance. This would give us two young, talented starters at two positions of need that would not cost us much money comparatively. SS Jahleel Addae is set to hit the market next year if the Chargers don't find a way to lock him down. He's a heavy hitting SS that would be a great fit for us - he's young and won't command too much money but should theoretically outplay his contract given what he's currently valued and what he's able to produce.
Contracts of free agents added - (keep in mind I was extremely conservative with how much they'd be paid, I assumed almost $8-10 mil higher than what similar counterparts made last year):
- Luke Jockel - 5 yr/ $35 million - $7mil/year
- Stephon Gilmore - 4 yr / $50 million - $12.5mil/year
- Jahleel Addae - 5 yr/ $45 million - $9mil/year
Steps 1, 2, and 3 seem like no brainers to me - switch to 43, resign Collins, draft Garrett at #1. That gives us two very talented players in our front seven for at least the next four years.
Step 4: The QB. As it stands right now, I don't foresee us able to land either Kizer or Trubisky at #33 - so I suggest taking one of the two at #7. I'm more partial to Kizer at this moment, personally. There's a lot to be said for his durability, athletic ability, and "it" quality. He's a Derek Carr in the making, in my opinion - he needs refinement and coaching but he possesses almost every single thing you'd want and I see him being a good fit in a Hue (circa 2014) offense. Heavy run and play action will create hesitancy, as we all know, allowing Kizer to take advantage down the field and on intermediate routes.
Step 5: The Switch. What I'd like to see is Haden pull a Woodson and make the switch to free safety. He's lost a step but has the same instincts and ball skills. He'd benefit from playing center field and it's similar to us adding a guy like Eric Berry via FA, just cheaper as we won't be taking on a new big contract.
Step 6: The other CB: Then, at #33, I suggest taking Adoree Jackson...or King or Jones if they so happen to be available. Basically BCB available to start opposite our FA CB.
Step 7: The TE. I have to agree that Barnidge, while being one of my favorites, isn't an all around TE. Getting a guy like Jake Butt at #47 would allow us the opportunity to have an all purpose TE to trot out their in 2TE sets and keep the defense slightly on their heels. Eventually he'd become our TE1, obviously.
Step 8: The Rest of the Draft. Take BPA rest of the draft, but don't focus on OL. We don't need it. We don't suffer from a lack of talented bodies, we suffer from a lack of keeping those talented bodies on the field in the position they are used to playing. OL is a groove position more than ANY other position on the field being that your job is dependent on the guy next to you not failing at his. If the BPA is an OL, take him. But if not, don't reach. I would like to see us add Ryan Switzer in the later rounds, he has a knack for finding soft spots. I would also like to see us land Kyle Fuller in the 4th, he has starter potential in the future.
Roster:
bold denotes rookie
italics denotes free agent
underline denotes new position
Offense:
QB - Kizer - Kessler - Hogan
RB - Crowell - Duke - Jackson
WR1- Pryor - Higgins - Louis
WR2 - Coleman - Hawkins - Switzer - Alford
TE - Barnidge - Butt - DeValve
LT - Thomas - Coleman
LG - Bitonio - Reiter - Erving
C - Greco - Fuller
RG - Cooper - Erving - Reiter
RT - Joeckel - Pazstor
Defense:
LDE - Ogbah - Nassib
LDT - Shelton - Meder
RDT - Bryant- Cooper
RDE - Garrett - Orchard
LOLB - Kirksey - Schobert
MLB - Davis -
ROLB - Collins - Johnson
CB1 - Gilmore/Hayden
CB2 - Jackson/King - Boddy-CalhounNICKEL - Taylor
FS - Haden - Baker
SS - Addae - Kindred - CampbellKey points:
- That gives us 6 new immediate starters (QB, RT, CB1, CB2, SS, DE) along with a new face at FS (Haden), LOLB (Kirksey), RG (Cooper) and DT (Bryant). That's 10 positions addressed via FA and the draft.
- Our OL would be composed of three 1st round picks (Thomas, Cooper, Joeckel) a 2nd round pick (Bito) and Greco. Assuming non-injury, that would give us among one of the most talented offensive lines in the league on paper and with an entire offseason to work together, I believe they'd be just as good on the field.
- We'd have the leading pass rushers of 2015 and 2016 at DE positions, along with another top pass rusher (Nassib) in the wings.
- Although there's honestly no way of knowing, I'd venture a guess that Haden would rank among the top 15 of FS in his first year. There would be growing pains, but he has the skillset for a center field position. He just wouldn't be a hitter.
- The Kirksey/Davis LB combo would be weak, but you can't fix everything immediately.
- Step 4: The QB. As it stands right now, I don't foresee us able to land either Kizer or Trubisky at #33 - so I suggest taking one of the two at #7. I'm more partial to Kizer at this moment, personally. There's a lot to be said for his durability, athletic ability, and "it" quality. He's a Derek Carr in the making, in my opinion - he needs refinement and coaching but he possesses almost every single thing you'd want and I see him being a good fit in a Hue (circa 2014) offense. Heavy run and play action will create hesitancy, as we all know, allowing Kizer to take advantage down the field and on intermediate routes.
Step 5: The Switch. What I'd like to see is Haden pull a Woodson and make the switch to free safety. He's lost a step but has the same instincts and ball skills. He'd benefit from playing center field and it's similar to us adding a guy like Eric Berry via FA, just cheaper as we won't be taking on a new big contract.
Step 6: The other CB: Then, at #33, I suggest taking Adoree Jackson...or King or Jones if they so happen to be available. Basically BCB available to start opposite our FA CB.
Great thoughts TCPO..couple wrenches. Adoree Jackson stock will rise after combine due to his track history imo (7-10). I also like Kizer slightly over Mitch. What's your opinion on getting some experience back in the QB room with the trade talks of Jimmy G/Glennon or Cutler over a Kizer or Mitch which may send a worse message to Kessler?
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- Step 4: The QB. As it stands right now, I don't foresee us able to land either Kizer or Trubisky at #33 - so I suggest taking one of the two at #7. I'm more partial to Kizer at this moment, personally. There's a lot to be said for his durability, athletic ability, and "it" quality. He's a Derek Carr in the making, in my opinion - he needs refinement and coaching but he possesses almost every single thing you'd want and I see him being a good fit in a Hue (circa 2014) offense. Heavy run and play action will create hesitancy, as we all know, allowing Kizer to take advantage down the field and on intermediate routes.
Step 5: The Switch. What I'd like to see is Haden pull a Woodson and make the switch to free safety. He's lost a step but has the same instincts and ball skills. He'd benefit from playing center field and it's similar to us adding a guy like Eric Berry via FA, just cheaper as we won't be taking on a new big contract.
Step 6: The other CB: Then, at #33, I suggest taking Adoree Jackson...or King or Jones if they so happen to be available. Basically BCB available to start opposite our FA CB.
Great thoughts TCPO..couple wrenches. Adoree Jackson stock will rise after combine due to his track history imo (7-10). I also like Kizer slightly over Mitch. What's your opinion on getting some experience back in the QB room with the trade talks of Jimmy G/Glennon or Cutler over a Kizer or Mitch which may send a worse message to Kessler?
Great thoughts TCPO..couple wrenches. Adoree Jackson stock will rise after combine due to his track history imo (7-10). I also like Kizer slightly over Mitch. What's your opinion on getting some experience back in the QB room with the trade talks of Jimmy G/Glennon or Cutler over a Kizer or Mitch which may send a worse message to Kessler?
I also think Jackson will rise, which should conceivably push one of the three four CBs currently slotted ahead of him to fall. I don't think there will be four CBS taken in the first this year but I may be wrong, I'll admit I haven't watched much tape on most of them outside Tabor and Jackson.
As for Kessler, I think adding a QB any which way will have the same effect on him. I believe he knows he's not a franchise savior.
I like him a lot but I don't see that potential in him, he's giving off a Siemian/Keenum/Foles vibe - good QB, good guy, could win games in a good scenario but won't win games on his own. A capable backup to mid level starter at best.
But I also think he's the perfect QB for us because having him means we won't have to rush a guy if we don't have to. Kizer may not be a day one starter. None of these guys scream day one starter, actually.
In my heart of hearts I'm starting to feel like the plan was Kizer all along. We've apparently scouted the absolute shit out of him and I vaguely recall Hue and co. saying last year before the draft that the best QB prospect in college football might not have even been in last years draft. I think the plan may have been to get a mid round guy last year who could take the pressure of our early round guy this year. Obviously, we were hoping to win a couple games so that mid round guy would have some confidence going into 2017, but alas.
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Whennic a team employing 2 DT's and 2 full time hands in the dirt proper like DE's.....i call em a 43 no matter what they do with the lb'ers. For me it boils down to personnel types. A team that has some 250-260lb hybrid guy that sometimes stands sometimes gets down, thats not a 43 thats the gay 34 ive come to despise mainly cause it dont work here.
Im sorry but i pay attention to our edges and how they establish the point in the run game and how well they trim the edge on their way to the qb. All of which our 34 guys simply stink at. Yeah they've gotten a few sacks cause some qb didnt step up in time, but consistency wise they're terrible. They cannot establish and hold the point against the run, at all. They're always diving inside or out immediately cause they know they cannot hold off the tackles for even a split second to read theplay. So they just guess right from snap and the RB's always read them, always. Mccoy could have run for 200+ yds if rex wanted it. It was just there everytime. When nassib amd ogbah are in there things get a little more congested for opposing rb's it seems. Not saying those guys are run stopping savants but they seem to perturb the rumning lanes alot better than the 34 olb'ers
Whennic a team employing 2 DT's and 2 full time hands in the dirt proper like DE's.....i call em a 43 no matter what they do with the lb'ers. For me it boils down to personnel types. A team that has some 250-260lb hybrid guy that sometimes stands sometimes gets down, thats not a 43 thats the gay 34 ive come to despise mainly cause it dont work here.
That's beyond general as the defensive alignment itself is the callsign. So if Anythony Barr has his hand in the ground as a DE, on that particular play that's a 4 man front. 33 personnel, doesn't make it a "34".
And If you're willing to just throw away what the linebackers do, then you're discounting the '3' part in the 43
Im sorry but i pay attention to our edges and how they establish the point in the run game and how well they trim the edge on their way to the qb
All of which our 34 guys simply stink at. Yeah they've gotten a few sacks cause some qb didnt step up in time, but consistency wise they're terrible. They cannot establish and hold the point against the run, at all.
So.... if our guys are that ineffective now, you're saying just changing the label of the defense, but maintaining the same gap assignments will somehow magically make them better...?
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