Bowl Game Skippin'... What Say Ye?
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to me, a player who deserts his teammates isn't much of a teammate, probably all about himself.
It depends on circumstances, but if I had to choose between three equal players ...
the two who DID play that bowl game are the kind of kids who love the game,
and are about the team winning. It dpends on why, etc, but it reeks of "prima donna wanta money"
Just my opinion.
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I have no issue with the two major players (Fournette and McCaffrey) not playing. Both of their teams under-performed this year. Both have enough tape for scouts. They honestly have nothing to gain by playing in a meaningless bowl game.
Now if a prospect who was lacking tape, playing for a major bowl and/or championship decided not to play, then I'd consider having an issue.
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Overall, it tells you something about the player's character.
What does that do to his draft position if he won't play for fear of getting hurt and costing him money?
Do I want that guy on my 'team' if he's showing he's not a team player?
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Hmmmm......What if there was a rule disqualifying them from the Combine and their school's Pro Days for skipping those bowl games? Just a thought.
Mike
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How about some of the other players getting full rides step up and play.They're on scholarship also riding the coat tails of star players. Put THEM in coach.
Like others have mentioned, coaches leave their teams right before bowl games all the time for "$elf".
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Not sure the NFL would ever want to take a position on bowl skippin'. Pretty sure whatever it might be that the NFLPA would not share it.
To someone's point about the draft, there is already talk of these players hurting themselves in some teams' eyes. How many? How badly? Probably never know. But I do not think there is one answer for all cases. At minimum I think bowl skipping says something about a player's "love of the game". But in every case it intersects their concern for their "financial future" at some point.
McCaffrey's decision surprised me. Every time I'd seen him he played like a player whose skills were augmented by something inside... an RB with a "motor", if you will, who was passionate about the game. What's hard to know is how hard he needs to work to get his combine numbers in line with his late-1st projection. That is his stated reason for skipping his bowl.
Fournette on the other hand has obviously been an athlete supreme for years... one more year than he consistently showed it on field. Due to injury this year he only flashed what we saw, and came to expect, play after play, game after game in prior years. Worse yet for him we saw his back up look more like the Fournette we used to know. I can better understand his rationale for bowl skippin'.
There are a couple things both have in common:
- both will now have the same question to answer in their NFL interviews; and
- they are both coming out a year early, now it's a year and a game early.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Hmmmm......What if there was a rule disqualifying them from the Combine and their school's Pro Days for skipping those bowl games? Just a thought.
Mike
Why would the NFL do that ? NFL teams have all the collegiate tape they need from most players.Hmmmm......What if there was a rule disqualifying them from the Combine and their school's Pro Days for skipping those bowl games? Just a thought.
Mike
These are grown men ready to make a living and I don't get this mentality that they can do so when "others" (fans, team mates, talking heads, bowl organizers) say they can. Its their life.
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Just another way of judging the whole bowl, conference, team, coach (often in their contract), player incentives to play or not and maybe even some stipend for D-1A players to get "pay for play" for at least needs based players.
Yes it's expensive to send a team to an away game but judge for yourself.
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College Football Playoff Revenue-Distribution Policies
The following estimates of the CFP revenue distribution are based on preliminary calculations for the 2016-17 season and are only approximate projections of potential revenue distribution from each component:
(1) Each conference will receive $300,000 for each of its schools when the school’s football team meets the NCAA’s APR for participation in a post-season football game. Each independent institution will also receive the $300,000 when its football team meets that standard.
(2) Each of the 10 conferences will also receive a base amount. For conferences that have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowl, the base combined with the full academic performance pool will be approximately $55 million for each conference. The five conferences that do not have contracts for their champions to participate in the Orange, Rose or Sugar Bowls will receive approximately $83.5 million in aggregate (full academic pool plus base), which the conferences will distribute as they choose. Notre Dame will receive a payment of $2.83 million if it meets the APR standard; the other three independents will share $930,462.
(3) A conference will receive $6 million for each team that is selected for the semifinal games. There will be no additional distribution to conferences whose teams qualify for the national championship game. A conference will receive $4 million for each team that plays in a non-playoff bowl under the arrangement (in 2014-2015, the Cotton, Fiesta and Peach Bowls).
(4) Each conference whose team participates in a playoff semifinal, Cotton, Fiesta or Peach Bowl, or in the national championship game will receive $2.16 million to cover expenses for each game.
Additionally, certain conferences in the Football Championship Subdivision conferences will receive $2.43 million in aggregate.
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Whoa lots and lots of zeros.
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I believe Youngstown state falls in the latter. It'd be good for them and the valley to win it all again. National championship game Jan 7th.
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I believe Youngstown state falls in the latter. It'd be good for them and the valley to win it all again. National championship game Jan 7th.
I believe Youngstown state falls in the latter. It'd be good for them and the valley to win it all again. National championship game Jan 7th.
The 1-AA FCS payouts are different and very tricky to find and naturally far less than the 1-AA FBS games.
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Still very cool to see Tressel and Pelini taking the team to the big game. They'll make their money more ways than one
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The stigma around skipping a bowl game is perpetuated by bowl executives and no one else. Minor bowls matter little, especially to prestigious schools or ranked programs. A Sun Bowl victory does nothing for Stanford and nothing for McCaffery.
As for the money aspect...the guy's dad played in the NFL for 13 years and both of his parents are Stanford grads. It ain't about the money.
It's about not getting drafted by a shit team. He's in a perfect situation - 2nd or 3rd best RB in a top heavy class and slotted as a mid to late first. He's going to go to a team that is either in need of a RB to get them over the hump or a team that is already great. No doubt he's looking at the Patriots, Giants, and Seahawks as possible landing spots, which is a damn sight better than the Browns, 49ers or Jaguars.
With the new CBA, it's about the second contract...not the first. McCaffery won't need top 15 money due to his familial wealth, but he's already in a position to earn a Super Bowl ring in his first contract and then leverage that into a big $$$ second contract.
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Typical of this pussified generation.
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Typical of this pussified generation.
Typical of this pussified generation.
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I have no issue with the two major players (Fournette and McCaffrey) not playing. Both of their teams under-performed this year. Both have enough tape for scouts. They honestly have nothing to gain by playing in a meaningless bowl game.
Now if a prospect who was lacking tape, playing for a major bowl and/or championship decided not to play, then I'd consider having an issue.
I have no issue with the two major players (Fournette and McCaffrey) not playing. Both of their teams under-performed this year. Both have enough tape for scouts. They honestly have nothing to gain by playing in a meaningless bowl game.
Now if a prospect who was lacking tape, playing for a major bowl and/or championship decided not to play, then I'd consider having an issue.
they both were also injured this year which could have a lot to do with it
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Typical of this pussified generation.
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Still very cool to see Tressel and Pelini taking the team to the big game. They'll make their money more ways than one
Getting into the National Championship Game well before Christmas has been a blessing for the Athletic Department, book stores and others selling YSU merchandise. The suppliers are working around the clock now fulfilling orders.Still very cool to see Tressel and Pelini taking the team to the big game. They'll make their money more ways than one
Other benefits will come in 2017 in recruiting, ticket sales, more merchandise sales all help in rebuilding a football dynasty.
Plus the #1 and #2 seeds are out this year, YSU was unseeded. After Tressel left the Penguins made the playoffs ONCE in the following 10 seasons...pitiful.
GO PENGUINS!
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I have no issue with the two major players (Fournette and McCaffrey) not playing. Both of their teams under-performed this year. Both have enough tape for scouts. They honestly have nothing to gain by playing in a meaningless bowl game.
Now if a prospect who was lacking tape, playing for a major bowl and/or championship decided not to play, then I'd consider having an issue.
they both were also injured this year which could have a lot to do with it
they both were also injured this year which could have a lot to do with it
So was Garrett most of the season, but he's still playing in a minor bowl.
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So was Garrett most of the season, but he's still playing in a minor bowl.
but were are not talking about him and they also play a different position
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If the browns were somehow able to end up with Mccaffrey i would not be mad. Dude is the next welker x1000. You can put him anywhere. And if Duke or Crow get hurt he can easily be moved to RB.
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