Ray Horton out

CaineDeSoulis

@logicisforsquares said:
I watched little of the Rams this year. How did the defense look? Blitz heavy?

did the rams play in the afcn this year? how did they look there?

Clevfan4life

rams weren't good this year but didnt they lose alot of players from that defense a few years back when Long was there?

Harry Buffalo

Fired the DC with 31st best defense to hire a DC with the 27th best defense... and a scheme change. The only positive is that it makes drafting defensive talent a bit easier and we have players that fit a 4-3 a bit better... maybe.

DieHardBrownsFan

@clevfan4life said:

save the sour cunt for the other board nancy

Don't cry bitch.

CaineDeSoulis

Williams has a much better track record than horton who at best had one good year with the cards

DKAllDay

Based on this video of Gregg Williams, I'll take him over this pussy defense we've been running

DKAllDay

Here's the video of him telling his players to hurt the 49ers players. Jesus, this dude is fucking heartless.. but hey it wins games

Harry Buffalo

Mitch2Pryor said:

Based on this video of Gregg Williams, I'll take him over this pussy defense we've been running

He was right. He let them catch the ball all season and he in fact was fired (or we'll his HC was fired and he was released to seek other jobs).

Frenchie

Great upgrade! Santa came late this year .. but he's finally arrived!

miktoxic

not defending horton but williams or phillips or whoever else haslam decides to pull out of his ass is gonna need a lot of help in talent on that side of the ball to make them even close to what ur seing in ur highlight reel videos of these other guys. horton got dick and he got dicked. that's biz.

everyone looks great until they come to cleveland.....then it's reality check 101.

jrb12711

I said for weeks and weeks that while defensive talent was minimal, the schemes Horton ran and has run in his career are just bad and don't work. I'm not mad at this move in the slightest.

stillmotion

im happy with williams if we lock him down. get garrett baby!

Flugel

Great news! Phillips is a massive upgrade especially in terms of sound schemes.

darren15

Mary Kay Cabot ‏@MaryKayCabot 4m4 minutes ago

#Browns also reached out to fired Jaguars coach Gus Bradley about their DC job, source said. He's a top candidate for #Redskins DC job

TexasAg1969

Well anyone who takes the position had better get a guarantee that the top 3 in the draft for the Browns will be defensive players.

miktoxic

@texasag1969 said:
Well anyone who takes the position had better get a guarantee that the top 3 in the draft for the Browns will be defensive players.

good luck with that!

hoorta

@clevfan4life said:
wow. I mean im not devestated but fuck....i didn't think they'd do another 1 and done with him.

Why not? Went to the stats. 31st in point allowed, 31st in yards allowed, T 30th in rush defense, and dead last in sacks. Makes me think they just might possible go defense with the first two picks.

@bob806 said:

Williams is a 4-3 guy.

Hooray!!!!

Mostly to reply to Tour, Williams is a lot younger than Wade, but then Lebeau coached until he was 80.

TexasAg1969

@miktoxic said:

good luck with that!

It's a seller's market and the Browns are the desperate buyers. If it was me I'd insist as a part of taking the job.

Clevfan4life

We had some close games in the beginning of the season where we could have won a few if it weren't for the defense, so I understand if someone had to go it was Horton...the offense, at least in the beginning, wasn't that bad. Especially the running game. So im not a big fan of Horton, but i just can't help but feel this isn't good. The new guy is gonna come in here and do what that defense? It's very young and needs a few years. And now we're throwing a likely scheme change at them as well. If we do go to a 4-3 it won't really affect the D line much, if anything it'll be good for Nassib and Ogbah. But LB'ers might be a problem especially if williams comes in. The williams defense is apparently pretty complex for the LB'ers and secondary....so if they're out of sync don't expect much from the DL if QB's only need 1s to get rid of the ball.

Flugel

@ghoolie said:

Horton is not the problem. It isn't Horton's fault that the Browns don't score, that they drop passes, fumble Pick-6 TDs, commit penalties, miss tackles, kicks and blocks. It isn't Horton's fault Hue went a whole year and none of that shit improved. Sorry shit pimples, Hue is not going to magically change that around.

Okay Beaver Breath. Exhale and read. TN went from earning the right to draft 1st overall in 2016, which they traded back in order to draft one of those dime a dozen Offensive Linemen by the name of Jack Conklin. Conklin made 1st Team All Pro as TN improved to 9 wins behind a strong running game and much improved passing game. Not to get lost in all of that was the change from Ray Horton to Dick LeBeau at DC to make better rested legs on defense far more productive.

I suppose we can keep pretending Ray Horton and Jimmy O'Neil are just terrific DCs that only seem to interest teams like TN, SF or Cleveland (destined to compete for the right to draft first overall). Like Horton, O'Neil's next gig would only be 1 year. Sure both guys could have used more talent; but they could have also used more sound schemes to put more guys in better position to make tackles.

Where you have a point is Hue could have made a better attempt to understand recent history here and avoid hiring Horton back here altogether. I didn't see the zone blitz scheme pressuring opponents passers until week 15 vrs SD and the final week vrs Pitt's backup QB (with only a couple starts to his name). Way too little way too late. Until then, his zone coverage transitions left a lot of ghost towns for opponent's to bullseye in their game plans week after week.