Draft Talk

The Gipper

@mark-o said:

I think they were meaningless from day 1. But to post 4000 different ones is just weird.

Precisely.

Tour2ma

Gotta love opinion policing...

@mark-o said:
There's also a chance I wake up tomorrow morning with 8 bazillion dollars in the bank.

Russian fairies could make it happen...

If Trubs starts falling we can always arrest his fall at #22!

darren15

On a radio station here this morning they were asking what the Browns should do with their first picks in rounds 1. 2 and 3.....this guy said Myles Garrett should be first then at 12 one of the Gators CB's if available, then an OT and safety in round 2 and said we should draft Miami Hurricane's QB in round 3

tiamat63

Watched some cutups on Tim Williams.

Allen jumps off the screen next to him and further convinces me he's our pick. Saw him more than I did poor Timmy. Game changing ability on the interior. Violent and heavy hands like a street fight.

Tour2ma

I love it when another player distracts me from scouting the player I'm trying to focus on.... but generally it's an unknown and not a stud I am already aware of.

darren15

Here is a mock for this year....

http://www.thenfldraftinsider.com/nfldraftinsider-2017-nfl-mock-draft/

TexasAg1969

@tour2ma said:
I love it when another player distracts me from scouting the player I'm trying to focus on.... but generally it's an unknown and not a stud I am already aware of.

I felt the same way when I was watching the playoff game to see mostly Allen and Foster just jumps off the screen all over the field. Damn they have some players in the defense.

darren15

Edge rush draft...

Your score is: 11033 (GRADE: A)

Your Picks:

Round 1 Pick 1: Myles Garrett, DE/OLB, Texas A&M (A+)

Round 1 Pick 19 (T.B.): Tim Williams, OLB/DE, Alabama (A)

Round 2 Pick 1: Ethan Pocic, C/OG, LSU (A)

Round 2 Pick 16 (BALT): O.J. Howard, TE, Alabama (A+)

Round 2 Pick 18: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (A)

Round 2 Pick 19 (T.B.): Dan Feeney, OG, Indiana (A)

Round 3 Pick 1: Gareon Conley, CB, Ohio State (A-)

Round 4 Pick 25 (N.E.): Marlon Mack, RB, South Florida (A+)

Round 5 Pick 13 (ARI): Taywan Taylor, WR, Western Kentucky (A+)

Round 5 Pick 20 (N.E.): Davon Godchaux, DT, LSU (A+)

Round 5 Pick 32: Lorenzo Jerome, FS, Saint Francis (PA) (B+)

Round 6 Pick 1: Daniel Carlson, K, Auburn (A+)

RoyceRolls

@darren15 said:

Here is a mock for this year....

http://www.thenfldraftinsider.com/nfldraftinsider-2017-nfl-mock-draft/

If they pass on foster in favor of an RG3 clone, I'll lose my shit.

Unsympathetic

Ugh. Noah Brown came out.. He's really talented but he will probably fall to round 3.. if he's there, Browns should take him.. He would have been a rd1 in the 2018 draft

wargograw

@tiamat63 said:

Watched some cutups on Tim Williams.

Allen jumps off the screen next to him and further convinces me he's our pick. Saw him more than I did poor Timmy. Game changing ability on the interior. Violent and heavy hands like a street fight.

Starting to doubt your edge evals now. You don't like Garrett. Or Barnett. Or Williams. Starting to sound like Gipper zeroing in on your guy.

tiamat63

@wargograw said:
Starting to doubt your edge evals now. You don't like Garrett. Or Barnett. Or Williams. Starting to sound like Gipper zeroing in on your guy.

Wasn't aware I ever said I didnt like Garrett or Williams...?

gftChris

@tiamat63 said:
Wasn't aware I ever said I didnt like Garrett or Williams...?

I'm pretty sure I remember you saying you didn't like Williams. Maybe a month ago?

tiamat63

@gftchris said:
I'm pretty sure I remember you saying you didn't like Williams. Maybe a month ago?

Twas not I.

Barnett perhaps is what you remember.

Flugel

@tiamat63 said:

Twas not I.

Barnett perhaps is what you remember.

Speaking of which, I went back and looked at Barnett on film yesterday against Florida (which is said to be the game he had the greatest impact in).

I found Barnett was used a lot like Kam Wimbley was back in the Micky Andrews Wide 9 alignment at Florida State (which is merely lining him up where the TE is or would be). Outside of a couple guys, a lot of the Florida State edge rushers were busts in the NFL. Kam had a nice rookie year with us but I don't think he ever reached the best football ahead thing after his rookie year. He stayed in the league a while, which is more than I can say for a lot of FSU edge rushers before/after him. Another thing about the Wide 9 alignment was it placed him a lot closer to the flats in case there were any quick throws to the RBs. The NFL didn't make it that easy. Once teams started to see he was a good pass rusher, they began to challenge the flats or run right at him to the extent we never gave him a second contract (as someone we deemed a first round talent ahead of where Haloti Ngata was taken)

Anyway, in the Florida game youtube I found for Barnett (about 3:54 into an 8 minute video) - it shows him lining up over the TE or way out where one would be lined up when there was only an OT on his side of the formation so he could sprint right around the tackle that had real difficulty getting into position to block him. I strongly advise people researching prospects to make sure they see what the majority of sacks and/or tackles for losses are coming against in terms of formation and quality of opponents. Here's a link of what I'm talking about - again pay particular attention to how wide they like to line him up about 3 minutes and 54seconds into the 8 minute video. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=tightropetb&p=Derek+Barnett+youtube+video+vrs+Florida#id=2&vid=6eb47c508f2c523500c0fc22d6083c75&action=click

tiamat63

The big thing that jumped off the screen to me was Barnett's first step... or in this case, lack of.

He plays extremely heavy footed, doesn't have the burst to threaten the edge. His hands are not as heavy and as violent as you'd like your pass rusher to be, he also has a tendency to get into the tackle and dance

with him as opposed to trying to work by or around him. Watched 5 cutups and can't think of many moments I was impressed.

Shane Ray and Bosa were the last DE's I watched that had the motor which immediately stands out.

Flugel

@tiamat63 said:

The big thing that jumped off the screen to me was Barnett's first step... or in this case, lack of.

He plays extremely heavy footed, doesn't have the burst to threaten the edge. His hands are not as heavy and as violent as you'd like your pass rusher to be, he also has a tendency to get into the tackle and dance

with him as opposed to trying to work by or around him. Watched 5 cutups and can't think of many moments I was impressed.

Shane Ray and Bosa were the last DE's I watched that had the motor which immediately stands out.

Yeah, film doesn't lie about a guy. I went back and added a link to show how UT schemed him against Florida in a wide 9 alignment (whether there was a TE or not). The goal was to keep him away from the OT or far enough to where the OT would struggle to pass pro him effectively. I'm more impressed with the scheme than Barnett. Not that 2 sacks and some tackles for losses was a bad day per say. You just have to ask/project how he'd do when NFL teams want him lining up over the tackle or on his outside shoulder.

wargograw

You just called him poor Timmy. And not like "poor timmy's wife cheated on him again," or "poor Timmy can't even afford a pack of gum." I see no common usage of the word poor in your post except suggesting he's not very good.

If that's not the case, then just tell us what your take is. "Allen's really good" doesn't count.

gftChris

@ghoolie said:

Turbisky.

There is no option at #1. Any other move is the move of an asshole organization. ANy other discussion is the measure of an asshole fan.

Turbisky.

Would you rather Trubisky or Lynch?

RoyceRolls

@gftchris said:
Would you rather Trubisky or Lynch?

or turbisky?