North Carolina QB Mitch Trubisky headed to NFL draft
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I've tried to stay out of the Mitch discussions, because the kid has been a household name here in my home since 2011. I'm bias as all can be. I've been following the kid since he was lining up as a wide-out at Mentor High School to get playing time as an underclassman.
I've seen the kid do some amazing things ... but if it were my call on the #1 overall, right now on January 9, 2017, I'd go defense. If he was there at #12, Hmmmmm ... that would be interesting, but again at this date, I'd still probably go defense again.
Hope this kid has a great career though, I'm not done watching him succeed yet. If I felt that the Browns had an organization to groom a young player, I'd be all for it, but they don't and they are not even close. I hope the kid falls to the late first round and some sound franchise snatches him up to be used in future years.
Well, again, you know I don't care about him personally like that. I only care about getting a QB for the Browns.
I mean....Connor Cook grew up in Hinckley...just up the road from me....and I may have liked to have seen the Browns take him over Kessler, but I never predicted franchise status for him. Cardale Jones if from Cleveland...and I don't think he will do all that well. Brian Hoyer was from St. Ignatius. Backup QB material. Todd Blackledge, North Canton QB????
And honestly....ALL other franchises in the NFL can eat shit and die as far as I am concerned. So, no. I don't want what I perceive as perhaps the best QB prospect to come out in the space of 3 years to go elsewhere.
And hey....we have had at least two HOF QBs come from NE Ohio: Len Dawson, Alliance, and Benny Friedman.
And hey again....if not MT for the Browns...then who?
And hey again....if not MT for the Browns...then who?
Since 1999 it really hasn't matter who they drafted. This franchise still needs to repair its organization and process before we see ANY player make a positive impact.
Just because they read on a back of a paint can that stripping the surface down to the bare wood is recommended for best results, doesn't mean that applies to a football team. And just because Hue had a bunch of young hungry guys who wouldn't receive as much playing time in most other organizations playing hard, doesn't mean that he is a motivator.
They need to pull a draft out of their ass in order to make up for lack of scheme and attitude around Berea. There are a million pieces that still need to fall into place. Tossing a young underclassman QB into the mix, who is use to sitting and learning before his number is called, is not a good fit here.
Draft the best freak available and cross your fingers.
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If this kid was from San Diego and played for UNLV, but everything else were the same, most people here wouldn't even know his name.
If this kid was from San Diego and played for UNLV, but everything else were the same, most people here wouldn't even know his name.
Yep, definitely not because he's rated as the first or 2nd best QB prospect in the draft in a position of great need. Whose this Garrett guy everyone keeps talking about anyway?
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And hey again....if not MT for the Browns...then who?
Since 1999 it really hasn't matter who they drafted. This franchise still needs to repair its organization and process before we see ANY player make a positive impact.
Just because they read on a back of a paint can that stripping the surface down to the bare wood is recommended for best results, doesn't mean that applies to a football team. And just because Hue had a bunch of young hungry guys who wouldn't receive as much playing time in most other organizations playing hard, doesn't mean that he is a motivator.
They need to pull a draft out of their ass in order to make up for lack of scheme and attitude around Berea. There are a million pieces that still need to fall into place. Tossing a young underclassman QB into the mix, who is use to sitting and learning before his number is called, is not a good fit here.
Draft the best freak available and cross your fingers.
Since 1999 it really hasn't matter who they drafted. This franchise still needs to repair its organization and process before we see ANY player make a positive impact.
Just because they read on a back of a paint can that stripping the surface down to the bare wood is recommended for best results, doesn't mean that applies to a football team. And just because Hue had a bunch of young hungry guys who wouldn't receive as much playing time in most other organizations playing hard, doesn't mean that he is a motivator.
They need to pull a draft out of their ass in order to make up for lack of scheme and attitude around Berea. There are a million pieces that still need to fall into place. Tossing a young underclassman QB into the mix, who is use to sitting and learning before his number is called, is not a good fit here.
Draft the best freak available and cross your fingers.
Well, I think you are making putting together a team like this seen like its rocket science. I do not believe it is all that difficult....in theory.
Get a good coach, draft/acquire good players.
Bottom line....it really is as simple as that.
So...you have to ask yourself these bottom line questions:
A.do you believe Hue (with help from his assts.) is the guy to turn this team around?
If so....you have 1/2 of the necessary equation.
Now, on players, there are only 2-3 questions to be answered:
B. Do you have a quarterback to go with that coach?
C. Do you have a quality Offensive line in front of the QB
D. Do you have a quality defense
It IS as easy as 1,2,3,4. A, B C D.
I am going to show some faith and say:
A. Yes....Hue CAN be the man at HC (and he showed me something by ditching Horton).
B. NO....we don't have that QB. It IS the Browns most critical need.
C. Partially. Browns have about 3/5ths of a good OL. Need better players or need ones to develop
D. NO. We clearly have not had the defense. But, steps are being made. Getting Williams. Developing all our young players. Getting 3-4 more contributors by draft of FA.
And, I am sorry...but that is it. That is what's needed to form a winning football team.
And I, for one, do not want some chicken shit attitude stand in the way our team accomplishing these things.
If this kid of yours, in your opinion, ain't got the balls to handle it here, then perhaps, yes, he should maybe go somewhere else where they can powder his tushy while waiting for him to grow the fuck up.
But, I actually have more faith in the kid apparently than you do. I think he had the kohones to handle things here. And all those great character traits that you like about him help him with that.
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Yes, I am aware that QBs are drafted higher than their value regularly. That doesn't mean that prospect is a good value. If Mitch fell to the 12th (BR), 24th (Rodgers), or top of the second, I wouldn't care to pick him up then. Spending a 1 on an overrated prospect is not good value...at all.
Of course, A. you don't have a freeking clue what a "good value prospect" is. A "good value prospect" is a player that actually succeeds in the pro ranks".
And B. You also don't have a clue what an "overrated prospect" is. An overrated prospect is a guy that sucks at the pro level. A guy that busts.
None of us will have a clue what a good value prospect or an overrated prospect is for a few years.
But....the fact is, most mock drafts have him as a Top 5 choice. So, apparently about 100 others that do this sort of thing disagree with you about his current "value".
Of course, A. you don't have a freeking clue what a "good value prospect" is. A "good value prospect" is a player that actually succeeds in the pro ranks".
And B. You also don't have a clue what an "overrated prospect" is. An overrated prospect is a guy that sucks at the pro level. A guy that busts.
None of us will have a clue what a good value prospect or an overrated prospect is for a few years.
But....the fact is, most mock drafts have him as a Top 5 choice. So, apparently about 100 others that do this sort of thing disagree with you about his current "value".
Value and where they are picked are two different things. The rankings I put up only put up the value of the player when compared to other players regardless of position. Where they are picked will always be skewed by their position. I would rather take BPA as opposed to need picking a player that isn't considered to be in the top 10 of prospects. Again, prospect ranking not where draft experts think a player will be picked.
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Of course, A. you don't have a freeking clue what a "good value prospect" is. A "good value prospect" is a player that actually succeeds in the pro ranks".
And B. You also don't have a clue what an "overrated prospect" is. An overrated prospect is a guy that sucks at the pro level. A guy that busts.
None of us will have a clue what a good value prospect or an overrated prospect is for a few years.
But....the fact is, most mock drafts have him as a Top 5 choice. So, apparently about 100 others that do this sort of thing disagree with you about his current "value".
Value and where they are picked are two different things. The rankings I put up only put up the value of the player when compared to other players regardless of position. Where they are picked will always be skewed by their position. I would rather take BPA as opposed to need picking a player that isn't considered to be in the top 10 of prospects. Again, prospect ranking not where draft experts think a player will be picked.
Value and where they are picked are two different things. The rankings I put up only put up the value of the player when compared to other players regardless of position. Where they are picked will always be skewed by their position. I would rather take BPA as opposed to need picking a player that isn't considered to be in the top 10 of prospects. Again, prospect ranking not where draft experts think a player will be picked.
And, again, the term "Value" is just a fool's gold word. It is a cliche that has no true relevancy.
The Value of a player is how he performs when he becomes a pro. That can never be determined.
The Raiders thought that Jamarcus Russell was a "value" pick.
The fact is the real questions are: Who do we think is the most talented player? Who do we think is the most talented player at a position that our team needs. Who do we think is the player that will perform the best when he hits the professional field.
The ONLY thing that matters is who do we pick and how well do we think he will do.
And here is a clue yabo: Top 10 rankings are like fucking Project Runway. One day you are in, the next day you are out, the next day you are in again. By the same service, Trubisky wasn't rated in the top 25 when the year started. Then one week he was #3, then he was #16, then he was #12. By the time things are done he will be rated somewhere else.
But, it don't fucking matter where he will be rated...or what you think his "value" is. It ONLY matter when he will be drafted. Every fucking pre draft rating and mock draft become dust in the wind once the actual draft is done.
This guy WILL be drafted Top 5.
There is no "value" that you think he has, nor any "rating" that you think he should have that will change that.
The ONLY thing that matters is where he will be picked....and by who.
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Gip, you have your official choice that you will grip on to for dear life until the draft.
If we pick the kid, I hope the best for him. I just haven't gotten any world beater vibes from him like you have. We shall see how this goes.
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Gip, you have your official choice that you will grip on to for dear life until the draft.
If we pick the kid, I hope the best for him. I just haven't gotten any world beater vibes from him like you have. We shall see how this goes.
Gip, you have your official choice that you will grip on to for dear life until the draft.
If we pick the kid, I hope the best for him. I just haven't gotten any world beater vibes from him like you have. We shall see how this goes.
+1
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Gip, you have your official choice that you will grip on to for dear life until the draft.
If we pick the kid, I hope the best for him. I just haven't gotten any world beater vibes from him like you have. We shall see how this goes.
Gip, you have your official choice that you will grip on to for dear life until the draft.
If we pick the kid, I hope the best for him. I just haven't gotten any world beater vibes from him like you have. We shall see how this goes.
Its OK, we were able to afford to pass on BR, Rodgers, Carr etc. etc, etc.....and the Browns won all kinds of division titles and playoff games without them as well. So, obviously we can afford to pass on him, our record in this area has been so staunch.
FYI, see a lot of the mocks. They universally have him going to the 49ers or Bears
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Gip, you have your official choice that you will grip on to for dear life until the draft.
If we pick the kid, I hope the best for him. I just haven't gotten any world beater vibes from him like you have. We shall see how this goes.
Its OK, we were able to afford to pass on BR, Rodgers, Carr etc. etc, etc.....and the Browns won all kinds of division titles and playoff games without them as well. So, obviously we can afford to pass on him, our record in this area has been so staunch.
FYI, see a lot of the mocks. They universally have him going to the 49ers or Bears
Its OK, we were able to afford to pass on BR, Rodgers, Carr etc. etc, etc.....and the Browns won all kinds of division titles and playoff games without them as well. So, obviously we can afford to pass on him, our record in this area has been so staunch.
If I felt that Mitch was on the same level as BR, Rodgers, or Carr then I would gladly take him at 1.
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Its OK, we were able to afford to pass on BR, Rodgers, Carr etc. etc, etc.....and the Browns won all kinds of division titles and playoff games without them as well. So, obviously we can afford to pass on him, our record in this area has been so staunch.
If I felt that Mitch was on the same level as BR, Rodgers, or Carr then I would gladly take him at 1.
If I felt that Mitch was on the same level as BR, Rodgers, or Carr then I would gladly take him at 1.
OK, then.
But remember.....what you feel don't mean a cabbage fart to anyone.
He is going to go top 5, and we may as well be the one's to take him.
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If I felt that Mitch was on the same level as BR, Rodgers, or Carr then I would gladly take him at 1.
OK, then.
But remember.....what you feel don't mean a cabbage fart to anyone.
He is going to go top 5, and we may as well be the one's to take him.
OK, then.
But remember.....what you feel don't mean a cabbage fart to anyone.
He is going to go top 5, and we may as well be the one's to take him.
Well the best eatings are at the trash dump this year so we may as well get firsts.
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Cool. Now they can pass on him in favor of drafting a tight end, too.
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Every website has the top 4 QBS rated differently. Who knows where anyone of those guys will be picked.
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Zombo said:
Oh shit. The groundhog just saw his shadow, 12 more weeks of Mitch's Bitches.
Zombo
Yeah Z, like that old Prince song "Party like it's 1999". This is exactly the same vibe from back then, except we had a couple of years to scout the college talent pool. I was mostly wrong about Couch- but I pretty much haven't missed since. The Camps are heating up, the Trubisky Train officially entered the station, and is taking on passengers. It's gonna get pretty heated before April 27th rolls around.
If this kid was from San Diego Fargo, ND and played for UNLV, North Dakota State. but everything else were the same, most people here wouldn't even know his name.
The same could be said about Wentz this time last year, and damn few had watched any tape on Goff either. Different story this year considering RG IIIs suckage. BTW, MHO is Trubisky is at least as good a prospect as Wentz.
Are BR, Rodgers, and Carr in this draft? Because I don't see any equivalent to any of them in this draft.
Mitch has been rated as the 12th ranked prospect (CBS Sports), 4th rated QB behind Watson, Kizer,and Mahomes (Sports Illustrated), and not in the top 32 prospects by PFF. So this isn't some fevered dream that someone would think that Trubisky doesn't set the world on fire with his play.
Then SI's opinion is full of it. I've watched all of the above, and I'll rank Mitch ahead of any of the others. Mahomes may not even get drafted in the first round- Some franchises are on record Watson is a third round prospect. BTW, there were questions about Carr in the 2014 draft too. Here's a re-do. Think the Texans just might trade Javedon Clowney for Carr right now straight up?
I've tried to stay out of the Mitch discussions, because the kid has been a household name here in my home since 2011. I'm bias as all can be. I've been following the kid since he was lining up as a wide-out at Mentor High School to get playing time as an underclassman.
I've seen the kid do some amazing things ... but if it were my call on the #1 overall, right now on January 9, 2017, I'd go defense. If he was there at #12, Hmmmmm ... that would be interesting, but again at this date, I'd still probably go defense again.
Hope this kid has a great career though, I'm not done watching him succeed yet. If I felt that the Browns had an organization to groom a young player, I'd be all for it, but they don't and they are not even close. I hope the kid falls to the late first round and some sound franchise snatches him up to be used in future years.
You're wimping out Stan. The Browns situation 2017 is not going to be remotely comparable to 1999 when we drafted Couch. I will be pissed as hell if the Browns pass on Mitch, and he goes on to have a stellar career with another team. It might be the final straw that will cause me to turn in my fan card. I watched the entire Packers- Giants game, and Gipper is dead on with his assessment. Not saying he IS, but- Mitch has a ton of traits similar to Rodgers. The pocket mobility- accuracy, arm strength. Sure he needs to sit and learn the Pro Game ,but who's to say the Browns won't give him that opportunity? Remember this quote from our new management team? "This team is being built for long term future success." The only way that has happened in recent NFL history is with a top level franchise qb. Take a look at the teams left in the playoffs- the Texans are the only outlier without a stud QB- and it could be argued they'd be sitting on the sidelines too, if Carr hadn't busted his leg.
Yes, I am aware that QBs are drafted higher than their value regularly. That doesn't mean that prospect is a good value. If Mitch fell to the 12th (BR), 24th (Rodgers), or top of the second, I wouldn't care to pick him up then. Spending a 1 on an overrated prospect is not good value...at all.
Sure, as Brian Billick said it's dangerous to draft need over value. But, you hit on your franchise qb, you can draft for need for the next 12 or so years. Sure, guys like Garrett or Allen would have an immediate impact- but what happens when their rookie contracts are up and they pull a Ndamukong Suh on the Browns? For sure, we draft Mitch, he's not going anywhere else. Job #1 for the Browns is to have stability at the qb position, everything else is background noise. Want the dumpster fire song to keep rolling on? Love the idea of going into 2017 with Garrett and RG III @ qb? And up the win total to 4? I sure as hell don't want that scenario without a way better Plan B.
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Mitch Trubisky is probably not #1 worthy for most teams. There are much better picks to be made at #1 this year. Given the way this board is laid out, we could stand to take a defensive player at #1 and hope Trubisky falls to us.
With all of that said....
Fuck him. Take him at #1. Let's do this shit.
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Zombo said:
Oh shit. The groundhog just saw his shadow, 12 more weeks of Mitch's Bitches.
Zombo
Yeah Z, like that old Prince song "Party like it's 1999". This is exactly the same vibe from back then, except we had a couple of years to scout the college talent pool. I was mostly wrong about Couch- but I pretty much haven't missed since. The Camps are heating up, the Trubisky Train officially entered the station, and is taking on passengers. It's gonna get pretty heated before April 27th rolls around.
If this kid was from San Diego Fargo, ND and played for UNLV, North Dakota State. but everything else were the same, most people here wouldn't even know his name.
The same could be said about Wentz this time last year, and damn few had watched any tape on Goff either. Different story this year considering RG IIIs suckage. BTW, MHO is Trubisky is at least as good a prospect as Wentz.
Are BR, Rodgers, and Carr in this draft? Because I don't see any equivalent to any of them in this draft.
Mitch has been rated as the 12th ranked prospect (CBS Sports), 4th rated QB behind Watson, Kizer,and Mahomes (Sports Illustrated), and not in the top 32 prospects by PFF. So this isn't some fevered dream that someone would think that Trubisky doesn't set the world on fire with his play.
Then SI's opinion is full of it. I've watched all of the above, and I'll rank Mitch ahead of any of the others. Mahomes may not even get drafted in the first round- Some franchises are on record Watson is a third round prospect. BTW, there were questions about Carr in the 2014 draft too. Here's a re-do. Think the Texans just might trade Javedon Clowney for Carr right now straight up?
I've tried to stay out of the Mitch discussions, because the kid has been a household name here in my home since 2011. I'm bias as all can be. I've been following the kid since he was lining up as a wide-out at Mentor High School to get playing time as an underclassman.
I've seen the kid do some amazing things ... but if it were my call on the #1 overall, right now on January 9, 2017, I'd go defense. If he was there at #12, Hmmmmm ... that would be interesting, but again at this date, I'd still probably go defense again.
Hope this kid has a great career though, I'm not done watching him succeed yet. If I felt that the Browns had an organization to groom a young player, I'd be all for it, but they don't and they are not even close. I hope the kid falls to the late first round and some sound franchise snatches him up to be used in future years.
You're wimping out Stan. The Browns situation 2017 is not going to be remotely comparable to 1999 when we drafted Couch. I will be pissed as hell if the Browns pass on Mitch, and he goes on to have a stellar career with another team. It might be the final straw that will cause me to turn in my fan card. I watched the entire Packers- Giants game, and Gipper is dead on with his assessment. Not saying he IS, but- Mitch has a ton of traits similar to Rodgers. The pocket mobility- accuracy, arm strength. Sure he needs to sit and learn the Pro Game ,but who's to say the Browns won't give him that opportunity? Remember this quote from our new management team? "This team is being built for long term future success." The only way that has happened in recent NFL history is with a top level franchise qb. Take a look at the teams left in the playoffs- the Texans are the only outlier without a stud QB- and it could be argued they'd be sitting on the sidelines too, if Carr hadn't busted his leg.
Yes, I am aware that QBs are drafted higher than their value regularly. That doesn't mean that prospect is a good value. If Mitch fell to the 12th (BR), 24th (Rodgers), or top of the second, I wouldn't care to pick him up then. Spending a 1 on an overrated prospect is not good value...at all.
Sure, as Brian Billick said it's dangerous to draft need over value. But, you hit on your franchise qb, you can draft for need for the next 12 or so years. Sure, guys like Garrett or Allen would have an immediate impact- but what happens when their rookie contracts are up and they pull a Ndamukong Suh on the Browns? For sure, we draft Mitch, he's not going anywhere else. Job #1 for the Browns is to have stability at the qb position, everything else is background noise. Want the dumpster fire song to keep rolling on? Love the idea of going into 2017 with Garrett and RG III @ qb? And up the win total to 4? I sure as hell don't want that scenario without a way better Plan B.
Sure, as Brian Billick said it's dangerous to draft need over value. But, you hit on your franchise qb, you can draft for need for the next 12 or so years. Sure, guys like Garrett or Allen would have an immediate impact- but what happens when their rookie contracts are up and they pull a Ndamukong Suh on the Browns? For sure, we draft Mitch, he's not going anywhere else. Job #1 for the Browns is to have stability at the qb position, everything else is background noise. Want the dumpster fire song to keep rolling on? Love the idea of going into 2017 with Garrett and RG III @ qb? And up the win total to 4? I sure as hell don't want that scenario without a way better Plan B.
If I felt that Trubisky was the guy who would be worth keeping around as the franchise QB then I would totally be on board for spending the #1 on him. The Browns do need stability at QB. But I don't feel that Trubisky is that guy. If we drafted him and he went on to be great, I would happily eat crow. I want the Browns to succeed. I just don't see what some others are seeing with Trubisky. I think being a local has made some folks blind to any possible criticism of the kid.
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I don't see us drafting Garrett over Allen. Don't think Garrett fits the profile completely at all.
You let Trubisky fall to 12, go ahead.... wait, I want Foster, too.
dammit.
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Zombo said:
Oh shit. The groundhog just saw his shadow, 12 more weeks of Mitch's Bitches.
Zombo
Yeah Z, like that old Prince song "Party like it's 1999". This is exactly the same vibe from back then, except we had a couple of years to scout the college talent pool. I was mostly wrong about Couch- but I pretty much haven't missed since. The Camps are heating up, the Trubisky Train officially entered the station, and is taking on passengers. It's gonna get pretty heated before April 27th rolls around.
If this kid was from San Diego Fargo, ND and played for UNLV, North Dakota State. but everything else were the same, most people here wouldn't even know his name.
The same could be said about Wentz this time last year, and damn few had watched any tape on Goff either. Different story this year considering RG IIIs suckage. BTW, MHO is Trubisky is at least as good a prospect as Wentz.
Are BR, Rodgers, and Carr in this draft? Because I don't see any equivalent to any of them in this draft.
Mitch has been rated as the 12th ranked prospect (CBS Sports), 4th rated QB behind Watson, Kizer,and Mahomes (Sports Illustrated), and not in the top 32 prospects by PFF. So this isn't some fevered dream that someone would think that Trubisky doesn't set the world on fire with his play.
Then SI's opinion is full of it. I've watched all of the above, and I'll rank Mitch ahead of any of the others. Mahomes may not even get drafted in the first round- Some franchises are on record Watson is a third round prospect. BTW, there were questions about Carr in the 2014 draft too. Here's a re-do. Think the Texans just might trade Javedon Clowney for Carr right now straight up?
I've tried to stay out of the Mitch discussions, because the kid has been a household name here in my home since 2011. I'm bias as all can be. I've been following the kid since he was lining up as a wide-out at Mentor High School to get playing time as an underclassman.
I've seen the kid do some amazing things ... but if it were my call on the #1 overall, right now on January 9, 2017, I'd go defense. If he was there at #12, Hmmmmm ... that would be interesting, but again at this date, I'd still probably go defense again.
Hope this kid has a great career though, I'm not done watching him succeed yet. If I felt that the Browns had an organization to groom a young player, I'd be all for it, but they don't and they are not even close. I hope the kid falls to the late first round and some sound franchise snatches him up to be used in future years.
You're wimping out Stan. The Browns situation 2017 is not going to be remotely comparable to 1999 when we drafted Couch. I will be pissed as hell if the Browns pass on Mitch, and he goes on to have a stellar career with another team. It might be the final straw that will cause me to turn in my fan card. I watched the entire Packers- Giants game, and Gipper is dead on with his assessment. Not saying he IS, but- Mitch has a ton of traits similar to Rodgers. The pocket mobility- accuracy, arm strength. Sure he needs to sit and learn the Pro Game ,but who's to say the Browns won't give him that opportunity? Remember this quote from our new management team? "This team is being built for long term future success." The only way that has happened in recent NFL history is with a top level franchise qb. Take a look at the teams left in the playoffs- the Texans are the only outlier without a stud QB- and it could be argued they'd be sitting on the sidelines too, if Carr hadn't busted his leg.
Yes, I am aware that QBs are drafted higher than their value regularly. That doesn't mean that prospect is a good value. If Mitch fell to the 12th (BR), 24th (Rodgers), or top of the second, I wouldn't care to pick him up then. Spending a 1 on an overrated prospect is not good value...at all.
Sure, as Brian Billick said it's dangerous to draft need over value. But, you hit on your franchise qb, you can draft for need for the next 12 or so years. Sure, guys like Garrett or Allen would have an immediate impact- but what happens when their rookie contracts are up and they pull a Ndamukong Suh on the Browns? For sure, we draft Mitch, he's not going anywhere else. Job #1 for the Browns is to have stability at the qb position, everything else is background noise. Want the dumpster fire song to keep rolling on? Love the idea of going into 2017 with Garrett and RG III @ qb? And up the win total to 4? I sure as hell don't want that scenario without a way better Plan B.
Yeah Z, like that old Prince song "Party like it's 1999". This is exactly the same vibe from back then, except we had a couple of years to scout the college talent pool. I was mostly wrong about Couch- but I pretty much haven't missed since. The Camps are heating up, the Trubisky Train officially entered the station, and is taking on passengers. It's gonna get pretty heated before April 27th rolls around.
The same could be said about Wentz this time last year, and damn few had watched any tape on Goff either. Different story this year considering RG IIIs suckage. BTW, MHO is Trubisky is at least as good a prospect as Wentz.
Then SI's opinion is full of it. I've watched all of the above, and I'll rank Mitch ahead of any of the others. Mahomes may not even get drafted in the first round- Some franchises are on record Watson is a third round prospect. BTW, there were questions about Carr in the 2014 draft too. Here's a re-do. Think the Texans just might trade Javedon Clowney for Carr right now straight up?
You're wimping out Stan. The Browns situation 2017 is not going to be remotely comparable to 1999 when we drafted Couch. I will be pissed as hell if the Browns pass on Mitch, and he goes on to have a stellar career with another team. It might be the final straw that will cause me to turn in my fan card. I watched the entire Packers- Giants game, and Gipper is dead on with his assessment. Not saying he IS, but- Mitch has a ton of traits similar to Rodgers. The pocket mobility- accuracy, arm strength. Sure he needs to sit and learn the Pro Game ,but who's to say the Browns won't give him that opportunity? Remember this quote from our new management team? "This team is being built for long term future success." The only way that has happened in recent NFL history is with a top level franchise qb. Take a look at the teams left in the playoffs- the Texans are the only outlier without a stud QB- and it could be argued they'd be sitting on the sidelines too, if Carr hadn't busted his leg.
Sure, as Brian Billick said it's dangerous to draft need over value. But, you hit on your franchise qb, you can draft for need for the next 12 or so years. Sure, guys like Garrett or Allen would have an immediate impact- but what happens when their rookie contracts are up and they pull a Ndamukong Suh on the Browns? For sure, we draft Mitch, he's not going anywhere else. Job #1 for the Browns is to have stability at the qb position, everything else is background noise. Want the dumpster fire song to keep rolling on? Love the idea of going into 2017 with Garrett and RG III @ qb? And up the win total to 4? I sure as hell don't want that scenario without a way better Plan B.
Mitch's Bitches
Gays for Garrett
Allen's Assholes
Debbie (Trade) Downers
Garappahomos
Are we missing anybody so far?
Zombo
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Sure, as Brian Billick said it's dangerous to draft need over value. But, you hit on your franchise qb, you can draft for need for the next 12 or so years. Sure, guys like Garrett or Allen would have an immediate impact- but what happens when their rookie contracts are up and they pull a Ndamukong Suh on the Browns? For sure, we draft Mitch, he's not going anywhere else. Job #1 for the Browns is to have stability at the qb position, everything else is background noise. Want the dumpster fire song to keep rolling on? Love the idea of going into 2017 with Garrett and RG III @ qb? And up the win total to 4? I sure as hell don't want that scenario without a way better Plan B.
If I felt that Trubisky was the guy who would be worth keeping around as the franchise QB then I would totally be on board for spending the #1 on him. The Browns do need stability at QB. But I don't feel that Trubisky is that guy. If we drafted him and he went on to be great, I would happily eat crow. I want the Browns to succeed. I just don't see what some others are seeing with Trubisky. I think being a local has made some folks blind to any possible criticism of the kid.
If I felt that Trubisky was the guy who would be worth keeping around as the franchise QB then I would totally be on board for spending the #1 on him. The Browns do need stability at QB. But I don't feel that Trubisky is that guy. If we drafted him and he went on to be great, I would happily eat crow. I want the Browns to succeed. I just don't see what some others are seeing with Trubisky. I think being a local has made some folks blind to any possible criticism of the kid.
OK, that's fair. I'm 95% convinced on Mitch. I totally understand if you're not. Let's wait until the after the Combine and Pro Days to make a final determination. A lot could change. There's a lot of Margaritas at Maya's riding on this.
My 0.02 right now is if we take Mitch #1, and get a pretty good (Ogbah level) DE at #12- say Solomon Thomas from Stanford I'd be happy. I absolutely agree- getting an effective pass rush is another high priority item for the Browns.Zombo said:
Mitch's Bitches
Gays for Garrett
Allen's Assholes
Debbie (Trade) Downers
Garappahomos
Are we missing anybody so far?
Zombo
LOL, There's a few Ma-homos out there too. I think TCPO is the only one in the Kizer Camp so far. No noted Deshawn Watson love here yet, though there's quite a bit on the other Board. That well could change after tonight if he blows up against Alabama.
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Sure, as Brian Billick said it's dangerous to draft need over value. But, you hit on your franchise qb, you can draft for need for the next 12 or so years. Sure, guys like Garrett or Allen would have an immediate impact- but what happens when their rookie contracts are up and they pull a Ndamukong Suh on the Browns? For sure, we draft Mitch, he's not going anywhere else. Job #1 for the Browns is to have stability at the qb position, everything else is background noise. Want the dumpster fire song to keep rolling on? Love the idea of going into 2017 with Garrett and RG III @ qb? And up the win total to 4? I sure as hell don't want that scenario without a way better Plan B.
If I felt that Trubisky was the guy who would be worth keeping around as the franchise QB then I would totally be on board for spending the #1 on him. The Browns do need stability at QB. But I don't feel that Trubisky is that guy. If we drafted him and he went on to be great, I would happily eat crow. I want the Browns to succeed. I just don't see what some others are seeing with Trubisky. I think being a local has made some folks blind to any possible criticism of the kid.
If I felt that Trubisky was the guy who would be worth keeping around as the franchise QB then I would totally be on board for spending the #1 on him. The Browns do need stability at QB. But I don't feel that Trubisky is that guy. If we drafted him and he went on to be great, I would happily eat crow. I want the Browns to succeed. I just don't see what some others are seeing with Trubisky. I think being a local has made some folks blind to any possible criticism of the kid.
I like him as a late first round pick, definitely. He possesses all of the tools you'd like to see, he's just a question mark due to scheme fit and lack of starting time.
What don't you see in him? He has some mechanical flaws, primarily in his footwork under pressure, but for the most part he's pretty solid as a prospect. He's certainly not perfect and he'll be slotted in likely below Mariota/Winston/ Wentz and around the Bortles level by NFL.com when all is said and done.
I'm also not from Cleveland nor have I ever lived in Cleveland, so I don't care about him being local. Couldn't give a shit other than the fact that he WANTS to play in Cleveland, which is a hell of a lot different than some of these guys we've had in the past.
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