Draft Talk
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Here is a mock for this year....
http://www.thenfldraftinsider.com/nfldraftinsider-2017-nfl-mock-draft/
If they pass on foster in favor of an RG3 clone, I'll lose my shit.
If they pass on foster in favor of an RG3 clone, I'll lose my shit.
Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
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Watched some cutups on Tim Williams.
Allen jumps off the screen next to him and further convinces me he's our pick. Saw him more than I did poor Timmy. Game changing ability on the interior. Violent and heavy hands like a street fight.
Starting to doubt your edge evals now. You don't like Garrett. Or Barnett. Or Williams. Starting to sound like Gipper zeroing in on your guy.
Starting to doubt your edge evals now. You don't like Garrett. Or Barnett. Or Williams. Starting to sound like Gipper zeroing in on your guy.
I think perhaps what he is saying is that he doesn't see anything that distinquishes one from the other....and that be it Garrett/Barnett/Williams, getting any one of them may be satisfactory.
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Twas not I.
Barnett perhaps is what you remember.
Speaking of which, I went back and looked at Barnett on film yesterday against Florida (which is said to be the game he had the greatest impact in).
I found Barnett was used a lot like Kam Wimbley was back in the Micky Andrews Wide 9 alignment at Florida State (which is merely lining him up where the TE is or would be). Outside of a couple guys, a lot of the Florida State edge rushers were busts in the NFL. Kam had a nice rookie year with us but I don't think he ever reached the best football ahead thing after his rookie year. He stayed in the league a while, which is more than I can say for a lot of FSU edge rushers before/after him. Another thing about the Wide 9 alignment was it placed him a lot closer to the flats in case there were any quick throws to the RBs. The NFL didn't make it that easy. Once teams started to see he was a good pass rusher, they began to challenge the flats or run right at him to the extent we never gave him a second contract (as someone we deemed a first round talent ahead of where Haloti Ngata was taken)
Anyway, in the Florida game youtube I found for Barnett (about 3:54 into an 8 minute video) - it shows him lining up over the TE or way out where one would be lined up when there was only an OT on his side of the formation so he could sprint right around the tackle that had real difficulty getting into position to block him. I strongly advise people researching prospects to make sure they see what the majority of sacks and/or tackles for losses are coming against in terms of formation and quality of opponents. Here's a link of what I'm talking about - again pay particular attention to how wide they like to line him up about 3 minutes and 54seconds into the 8 minute video. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=tightropetb&p=Derek+Barnett+youtube+video+vrs+Florida#id=2&vid=6eb47c508f2c523500c0fc22d6083c75&action=click
Speaking of which, I went back and looked at Barnett on film yesterday against Florida (which is said to be the game he had the greatest impact in).
I found Barnett was used a lot like Kam Wimbley was back in the Micky Andrews Wide 9 alignment at Florida State (which is merely lining him up where the TE is or would be). Outside of a couple guys, a lot of the Florida State edge rushers were busts in the NFL. Kam had a nice rookie year with us but I don't think he ever reached the best football ahead thing after his rookie year. He stayed in the league a while, which is more than I can say for a lot of FSU edge rushers before/after him. Another thing about the Wide 9 alignment was it placed him a lot closer to the flats in case there were any quick throws to the RBs. The NFL didn't make it that easy. Once teams started to see he was a good pass rusher, they began to challenge the flats or run right at him to the extent we never gave him a second contract (as someone we deemed a first round talent ahead of where Haloti Ngata was taken)
Anyway, in the Florida game youtube I found for Barnett (about 3:54 into an 8 minute video) - it shows him lining up over the TE or way out where one would be lined up when there was only an OT on his side of the formation so he could sprint right around the tackle that had real difficulty getting into position to block him. I strongly advise people researching prospects to make sure they see what the majority of sacks and/or tackles for losses are coming against in terms of formation and quality of opponents. Here's a link of what I'm talking about - again pay particular attention to how wide they like to line him up about 3 minutes and 54seconds into the 8 minute video. https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=tightropetb&p=Derek+Barnett+youtube+video+vrs+Florida#id=2&vid=6eb47c508f2c523500c0fc22d6083c75&action=click
Goody. Let's draft another Kam Wimbley.
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If they pass on foster in favor of an RG3 clone, I'll lose my shit.
Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Most college coaches would pick Watson to QB their squad.
If the Cleveland University Browns get a chance to pick him up, it's a no brainer.
Edit: to be fair, the Cleveland University Browns wouldn't even need him if they picked Manziel or Weeden or RG3.
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Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Most college coaches would pick Watson to QB their squad.
If the Cleveland University Browns get a chance to pick him up, it's a no brainer.
Edit: to be fair, the Cleveland University Browns wouldn't even need him if they picked Manziel or Weeden or RG3.
Most college coaches would pick Watson to QB their squad.
If the Cleveland University Browns get a chance to pick him up, it's a no brainer.
Edit: to be fair, the Cleveland University Browns wouldn't even need him if they picked Manziel or Weeden or RG3.
It is the Cleveland State University Vikings, thank you (one of my alma maters).....and they don't even have a football team. Never have, and I don't know why. Money I guess.
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If they pass on foster in favor of an RG3 clone, I'll lose my shit.
Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Two things.
1. Hue already got his "dream" QBs in Kessler & RG III so he doesn't get anymore-defense's turn.
2. This ain't last year's Bama D by a longshot. Lot of underclassmen on it who are far better than the ones who left. Hell Tony Brown is a second string Jr. DB who was 5***** coming out of Texas and considered then to be the best athlete in the state. He comes in now as the nickel back or if someone is hurt or needs a break. There are 4 sophs and 2 Jrs. starting on their defense, one of the best I have ever seen at the college level. The Browns could play them all and be in most games we play all season.
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Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Two things.
1. Hue already got his "dream" QBs in Kessler & RG III so he doesn't get anymore-defense's turn.
2. This ain't last year's Bama D by a longshot. Lot of underclassmen on it who are far better than the ones who left. Hell Tony Brown is a second string Jr. DB who was 5***** coming out of Texas and considered then to be the best athlete in the state. He comes in now as the nickel back or if someone is hurt or needs a break. There are 4 sophs and 2 Jrs. starting on their defense, one of the best I have ever seen at the college level. The Browns could play them all and be in most games we play all season.
Two things.
1. Hue already got his "dream" QBs in Kessler & RG III so he doesn't get anymore-defense's turn.
2. This ain't last year's Bama D by a longshot. Lot of underclassmen on it who are far better than the ones who left. Hell Tony Brown is a second string Jr. DB who was 5***** coming out of Texas and considered then to be the best athlete in the state. He comes in now as the nickel back or if someone is hurt or needs a break. There are 4 sophs and 2 Jrs. starting on their defense, one of the best I have ever seen at the college level. The Browns could play them all and be in most games we play all season.
And how does this keep Alabama from boring the life out of me?
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Two things.
1. Hue already got his "dream" QBs in Kessler & RG III so he doesn't get anymore-defense's turn.
2. This ain't last year's Bama D by a longshot. Lot of underclassmen on it who are far better than the ones who left. Hell Tony Brown is a second string Jr. DB who was 5***** coming out of Texas and considered then to be the best athlete in the state. He comes in now as the nickel back or if someone is hurt or needs a break. There are 4 sophs and 2 Jrs. starting on their defense, one of the best I have ever seen at the college level. The Browns could play them all and be in most games we play all season.
And how does this keep Alabama from boring the life out of me?
And how does this keep Alabama from boring the life out of me?
Because you don't appreciate great Defense. Not my fault that bores you.
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Thought I give it a try, No trades or anything.
NFL DRAFT GAME 2017Logged in as: blitzz2YOUR TEAM: CLEVELAND BROWNSGAME OVER!
Your score is: 9385 (GRADE: B-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Nico Siragusa, OG, San Diego State (
Round 5 Pick 32: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Trent Taylor, WR, Louisiana Tech (B-)Probably reached on Kizer,, Siragusa for Pedigree, Pumphrey was a toss up between him and Brian Hill (6-1,220)
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Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Two things.
1. Hue already got his "dream" QBs in Kessler & RG III so he doesn't get anymore-defense's turn.
2. This ain't last year's Bama D by a longshot. Lot of underclassmen on it who are far better than the ones who left. Hell Tony Brown is a second string Jr. DB who was 5***** coming out of Texas and considered then to be the best athlete in the state. He comes in now as the nickel back or if someone is hurt or needs a break. There are 4 sophs and 2 Jrs. starting on their defense, one of the best I have ever seen at the college level. The Browns could play them all and be in most games we play all season.
And how does this keep Alabama from boring the life out of me?
Because you don't appreciate great Defense. Not my fault that bores you.
Its not that. Someone else's great defense would not bore me.....just East Germany's.
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Thought I give it a try, No trades or anything.
NFL DRAFT GAME 2017Logged in as: blitzz2YOUR TEAM: CLEVELAND BROWNSGAME OVER!
Your score is: 9385 (GRADE: B-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Nico Siragusa, OG, San Diego State (
Round 5 Pick 32: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Trent Taylor, WR, Louisiana Tech (B-)Probably reached on Kizer,, Siragusa for Pedigree, Pumphrey was a toss up between him and Brian Hill (6-1,220)
Thought I give it a try, No trades or anything.
NFL DRAFT GAME 2017
Logged in as: blitzz2
YOUR TEAM: CLEVELAND BROWNS GAME OVER!
Your score is: 9385 (GRADE: B-)
Your Picks:
Round 1 Pick 1: Jonathan Allen, DE/DT, Alabama (A+)
Round 1 Pick 12: Reuben Foster, ILB, Alabama (A)
Round 2 Pick 1: DeShone Kizer, QB, Notre Dame (B+)
Round 2 Pick 20: DeMarcus Walker, DE, Florida State (A)
Round 3 Pick 1: Budda Baker, FS, Washington (A+)
Round 4 Pick 1: Nico Siragusa, OG, San Diego State (
Round 5 Pick 32: Donnel Pumphrey, RB, San Diego State (A)
Round 6 Pick 1: Trent Taylor, WR, Louisiana Tech (B-)
Probably reached on Kizer,, Siragusa for Pedigree, Pumphrey was a toss up between him and Brian Hill (6-1,220)
Those first 3 would be perfect. That's not a reach in Kizer, that's great value.
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You just called him poor Timmy. And not like "poor timmy's wife cheated on him again," or "poor Timmy can't even afford a pack of gum." I see no common usage of the word poor in your post except suggesting he's not very good.
If that's not the case, then just tell us what your take is. "Allen's really good" doesn't count.
Sure thing. Allen is Elite then. He is a physical specimen that also has the motor and the mental aspect of the game under lock and key. He has an array of pass rush moves from an interior lineman that I haven't seen in a long time and a swim move that takes me back to watching Shaun Rogers in a Browns uni.You just called him poor Timmy. And not like "poor timmy's wife cheated on him again," or "poor Timmy can't even afford a pack of gum." I see no common usage of the word poor in your post except suggesting he's not very good.
If that's not the case, then just tell us what your take is. "Allen's really good" doesn't count.
The kid is just that God damn good and makes everyone else on the Bama front 7 look that much better.
I see Williams as a solid propsect, worthy player and someone that with carve out a good NFL career. Would I feel losing Tim would be the bitter pill to swallow that losing Allen might be? No and it's not even in the same galaxy as being close.
I might be willing to be Williams on even rooting as Floyd from last year.
That help clear it up?
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Not quite. Hard to follow with grammatical errors.
I'm also still unsure how you really feel. Don't compare him to Allen. We're not talking about taking TW #1 so there's no reason to compare. Outside of comparisons all you've said was Williams is "solid," "worthy player," (not sure of what), and he will carve out a solid NFL career.
I wanna know what you think his draft value is and how you'd put him up next to the other pass rushers in this draft.
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If they pass on foster in favor of an RG3 clone, I'll lose my shit.
Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Watson also has 17 interceptions through 14 games, he reminds me of Michael Vick.Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
I have little faith his current style of play will be successful in the NFL.
Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney -
My own mock draft at this point (rankings of player in approx. position of their current CBS sports rankings)
#1 Mitch Trubisky QB NC
#12 Ryan Ramczyk OT Wisconsin. moving up the boards
#33 Carlos Watkins DT Clemson (brings pressure up the middle)
#52 Adoree Jackson CB USC # (dropped due to injury concerns)
#65 Pat Elflein OC Ohio Stat
128 ish Hunter Dimick DE Utah
130ish Jadar Johnson SS Clemson
131 ish Jake Butt TE# Michigan
132 ish Ryan Switzer WR to help his college teammate
161 Donnell Pumphrey RB SDSU
210 Chad Kelly QB# Ole Miss
The guys with the # have dropped due to injury concerns.....but none of these injuries should curtail their ability to have a career.
And see, there you go, I got us some "insurance" in the form of a late round QB that has a pedigree.
The one thing you all may gripe about here is the absence of a high round pick "edge" rusher. I get that....but, as I said in another thread...I want in your face pressure....and our FO, I believe have faith in the edge rushers they have on hand.....Nassib/Ogbah...and I think that they think that they could thrive in the 4-3....especially if they have help in the middle.
Its just a feeling/theory.
I think with this that I recognize that I took more offensive players than I originally wanted to, its just that that is where the rankings landed. So, that means: get a couple of FAs.
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Watson also has 17 interceptions through 14 games, he reminds me of Michael Vick.Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
I have little faith his current style of play will be successful in the NFL.
Watson also has 17 interceptions through 14 games, he reminds me of Michael Vick.
I have little faith his current style of play will be successful in the NFL.
I said RGIV.....so, sure. He is not my personal choice.
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If they pass on foster in favor of an RG3 clone, I'll lose my shit.
Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Well that's not exactly my theory but....Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
He has been active in the fritz Pollard Society whose aim is to bring more African American front office and coaching members into professional football. Hes had relationships with 3 reputedly bad attitude black quarterbacks, one being our buddy Colin Kaepernick the other two Pryor and RG3. Is rumored to have been swayed partially by the number of black men in our front office. And hand-picked Ray Horton who hadn't had a stellar track record. I don't think for a minute that coach Jackson would cut his own throat for racial ideology and I think he was probably disappointment that his boy Horton let him down. If he didn't want to lose Horton and was overruled...
I have no idea if Cody Kessler or Andy Dalton workout Jackson's picks.
But I like the guy and I give him the benefit of the doubt to do what he thinks is best. Maybe RG3 is a case of help a brother out but he was a hell of a talented one time so...
WSS
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If they pass on foster in favor of an RG3 clone, I'll lose my shit.
Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
And Hue's be a year too late...
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Watson also has 17 interceptions through 14 games, he reminds me of Michael Vick.Per the theory put forth by WSS.....Hue will push for the AfAm QB above all else.
Though.....lets do look at this, for all of you slobbering over the list of Alabama defenders:
DeShaun Watson put up almost 500 yards of total offense and 40 points on this Alabama defense last year.
So, some consideration has to be given to that.
I have little faith his current style of play will be successful in the NFL.
Watson also has 17 interceptions through 14 games, he reminds me of Michael Vick.
I have little faith his current style of play will be successful in the NFL.
The most flattering comparison I have seen so far was he is a shorter, weaker Newton. I guess take that for what its worth.
My own mock draft at this point (rankings of player in approx. position of their current CBS sports rankings)
#1 Mitch Trubisky QB NC
#12 Ryan Ramczyk OT Wisconsin. moving up the boards
#33 Carlos Watkins DT Clemson (brings pressure up the middle)
#52 Adoree Jackson CB USC # (dropped due to injury concerns)
#65 Pat Elflein OC Ohio Stat
128 ish Hunter Dimick DE Utah
130ish Jadar Johnson SS Clemson
131 ish Jake Butt TE# Michigan
132 ish Ryan Switzer WR to help his college teammate
161 Donnell Pumphrey RB SDSU
210 Chad Kelly QB# Ole Miss
The guys with the # have dropped due to injury concerns.....but none of these injuries should curtail their ability to have a career.
And see, there you go, I got us some "insurance" in the form of a late round QB that has a pedigree.
The one thing you all may gripe about here is the absence of a high round pick "edge" rusher. I get that....but, as I said in another thread...I want in your face pressure....and our FO, I believe have faith in the edge rushers they have on hand.....Nassib/Ogbah...and I think that they think that they could thrive in the 4-3....especially if they have help in the middle.
Its just a feeling/theory.
I think with this that I recognize that I took more offensive players than I originally wanted to, its just that that is where the rankings landed. So, that means: get a couple of FAs.
Chad Kelly is a far less talent Johnny Football.
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