With the 1st pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select
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Garrett, only Allen would be an acceptable alternative
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Who I want
Myles Garrett
Who I think they Pick
Deshaun Watson
Who do you want and who do you see them going for ?
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I think with a line of Garrett, Allen, Shelton, Nassib...
We should trade away everything for the next 2 drafts to come away with:
Garrett/Trubisky/Allen/Hooker
That would be our 3-4 players that could make us better than the Steelers.
We already have the #1.
To get the number 2... We could trade our two seconds this year and a first next year. and some other stuff
To get the number 3... We trade Our Number 12 overall and our 2 second rounders next year. and some other stuff
Trade pretty much the rest of the draft to move up to #4 and get the sweep... Keep in mind that we can't trade our compensatory picks so maybe we still get a few of the other gems in this draft.... that kicker, and Pumphrey for our ST and speed back.
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#1 ALLEN
#12 FOSTER OR HOOKER
#33 ELF
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I'd like Garrapalo (N.England QB) and Williams WR (Clemson) in a swap for my 1st & 12Th picks.
are you going to take that dry or with lube??I'd like Garrapalo (N.England QB) and Williams WR (Clemson) in a swap for my 1st & 12Th picks.
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Allen or Garrett, but only with the stipulation that I could also pick one of the edge rushers @ #12 if I took Allen. Then later we can trade up to #22 so Gip gets a QB and a pack of Trojans.
BTW if you think we fired all those guys and are bringing in all these new defensive coaches just to get another QB @ #1, I got news for you. They are coming to fix this defense and they will want most of this draft for their side of the ball.
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Allen or Garrett, but only with the stipulation that I could also pick one of the edge rushers @ #12 if I took Allen. Then later we can trade up to #22 so Gip gets a QB and a pack of Trojans.
BTW if you think we fired all those guys and are bringing in all these new defensive coaches just to get another QB @ #1, I got news for you. They are coming to fix this defense and they will want most of this draft for their side of the ball.
Allen or Garrett, but only with the stipulation that I could also pick one of the edge rushers @ #12 if I took Allen. Then later we can trade up to #22 so Gip gets a QB and a pack of Trojans.
BTW if you think we fired all those guys and are bringing in all these new defensive coaches just to get another QB @ #1, I got news for you. They are coming to fix this defense and they will want most of this draft for their side of the ball.
^^^ This. Without the Trojans.
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I think with a line of Garrett, Allen, Shelton, Nassib...
We should trade away everything for the next 2 drafts to come away with:
Garrett/Trubisky/Allen/Hooker
That would be our 3-4 players that could make us better than the Steelers.
We already have the #1.
To get the number 2... We could trade our two seconds this year and a first next year. and some other stuff
To get the number 3... We trade Our Number 12 overall and our 2 second rounders next year. and some other stuff
Trade pretty much the rest of the draft to move up to #4 and get the sweep... Keep in mind that we can't trade our compensatory picks so maybe we still get a few of the other gems in this draft.... that kicker, and Pumphrey for our ST and speed back.
I think with a line of Garrett, Allen, Shelton, Nassib...
We should trade away everything for the next 2 drafts to come away with:
Garrett/Trubisky/Allen/Hooker
That would be our 3-4 players that could make us better than the Steelers.
We already have the #1.
To get the number 2... We could trade our two seconds this year and a first next year. and some other stuff
To get the number 3... We trade Our Number 12 overall and our 2 second rounders next year. and some other stuff
Trade pretty much the rest of the draft to move up to #4 and get the sweep... Keep in mind that we can't trade our compensatory picks so maybe we still get a few of the other gems in this draft.... that kicker, and Pumphrey for our ST and speed back.
You can trade comp picks this year Po. The deal for Collins was for a comp third. If we don't get one, it will probably (TBD) our top 4th round pick. LOL, patience, we're not going to try and fix everything in one year. BTW, subject to future developments everyone should know by now me and Gip's pick at #1. The local guy. Then alternate BPA defense- offense.
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Garrett or Allen are probably the safest picks and I would truly love to have our own JJ Watt.
If we are serious about a quarterback take the risk and spend it on Mitch Trubisky. If we aren't, roll the dice down the line.
Then Hooker then Elf.
WSS
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Trade down but stay in the top 10. Get Garrett/Allen/Barnett/Williams/Lawson. A pass rusher. Whoever falls to you.
12-Foster
EXTRA FIRST ROUNDER FROM #1 TRADE-Hooker/Adams
33-Garoppollo
Titans pick or whatever it is-Pocic or Elflein
EXTRA SECOND ROUNDER JUST BECAUSE SASHI IS A MAGICIAN-Ryan Anderson
Bring 2-3 Bama boys into your front 7. They bring the talent. They bring the attitude. And they bring the frickin' culture.
Ogbah/Nassib-Meder(/Allen)-Shelton-Garrett(/Barnett/Williams/Lawson)/Orchard
Collins-Foster-Kirksey
Ryan Anderson and Demario Davis. Not a bad pair of backups/guys to bring in for your 3/4 looks.
Get ready.
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You won't get Garoppolo for 33.
WSS
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Garret or Allen at #1. Hooker or Adams at #12 though I won't be surprised if both are gone by then. Since Gregg Williams likes an in-the-box strong safety, I could see Peppers here as well. Apparently Justin Evans fills that mold, too, so I think we won't have a problem adding a top safety to this team.
If Trubisky fell to #12, I would definitely want to consider that. Otherwise, trade a the 2017 and 2018 second round picks for Garoppolo.
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My first choice would be Allen, but Garrett would be great too. What I think will actually happen is the Browns will trade down for more 2nd-3rd round picks and draft Deshaun Watson at #22.
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We need a QB, we all know this. However, we also have SO many other needs, that I don't think we can afford to take a QB at one this year. If there was a dynamic prospect that everyone felt was THE guy, then yes, obviously we should take that person...but there's not THAT guy. The Eagles managed to really screw us by winning their last two games, and that essentially knocked us out of getting one of the "top 3" QB's this year. Could one of the guys slide to us? Absolutely, and MUCH will change in the coming months. The big thing that I'm waiting to hear about now is whether or not Deshawn Watson will play in the Senior Bowl. Since Hue Jackson is coaching the Senior Bowl, it would be HUGE for our staff to get an up close and personal look at what Watson can and can't do. Watson has much to gain from participating in the bowl, but many elite prospects elect not to play, either at the behest of their agents, injury concerns, or whatever. If Watson DOES attend the Senior Bowl, and Hue Jackson likes what he sees, then I can see us potentially moving up from 12 to ensure we get him, but I don't see us passing on Myles Garrett. Not with us needing to staff a 4-3 defense, and desperately needing an elite edge rushing prospect.
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You won't get Garoppolo for 33.
WSS
You won't get Garoppolo for 33.
WSS
I think you are.
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Allen or Garrett, but only with the stipulation that I could also pick one of the edge rushers @ #12 if I took Allen. Then later we can trade up to #22 so Gip gets a QB and a pack of Trojans.
BTW if you think we fired all those guys and are bringing in all these new defensive coaches just to get another QB @ #1, I got news for you. They are coming to fix this defense and they will want most of this draft for their side of the ball.
Allen or Garrett, but only with the stipulation that I could also pick one of the edge rushers @ #12 if I took Allen. Then later we can trade up to #22 so Gip gets a QB and a pack of Trojans.
If that pack of Trojans includes Adoree Jackson somewhere in this draft, then I am interested.
BTW if you think we fired all those guys and are bringing in all these new defensive coaches just to get another QB @ #1, I got news for you. They are coming to fix this defense and they will want most of this draft for their side of the ball.
That is a major assumption. Or maybe, just maybe our FO believes that they have already delivered talent to the defense, and the right action is in getting someone to coach that talent.
The Browns made major investment last year in Ogbah, Nassib, Schobert, Kindred. Plus, Sachi and Berry were around the year before for the selections of Orchard and Cooper (even if they were not in charge).
It is highly possible that they see that these guys underachieved due to coaching.
But, lets assume you are right...they do want to fix the defense. They have 4 picks in the first two rounds. They could use up to 3 of the 4 on defense.
But, I personally don't think so.
I think that the Browns choose 2 on offense and 2 on defense.
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You won't get Garoppolo for 33.
WSS
You won't get Garoppolo for 33.
WSS
I would not give the #33 pick for him. Maybe #65.
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My personal lust is still for a Allen - Foster, 1-12 punch...
However, if we see a QB we are willing to go all in on, at either pick, I can handle that. It'd help a lot if I see the same thing, but I think I could handle it.
The strengths of the draft at Edge and DB will push other, albeit lesser, options to us, but I want elite additions dammit and all those I've seen to date are at the deepest... plus Foster, since MLB is not in the current strengths conversation.
Spending years of future drafts to load up this year in inconceivable to me.
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To be fair Tour, this is a friggin excellent defensive draft. Feels like every time you talk about a must-have defender you can point to guys right behind him that are very near as good.
Garret: Williams, Barnett, et al
Hooker: Adams
Foster: Anderson
Off the top of my head I can't remember who/if there is an Allen-lite.
And bonus O positions: Trubisky/Kizer and Elflein/Pocic
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To be fair Tour, this is a friggin excellent defensive draft. Feels like every time you talk about a must-have defender you can point to guys right behind him that are very near as good.
Garret: Williams, Barnett, et al
Hooker: Adams
Foster: Anderson
Off the top of my head I can't remember who/if there is an Allen-lite.
And bonus O positions: Trubisky/Kizer and Elflein/Pocic
To be fair Tour, this is a friggin excellent defensive draft. Feels like every time you talk about a must-have defender you can point to guys right behind him that are very near as good.
Agree... very deep in very good defenders. But very good is not "elite".
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