With the 1st pick in the 2017 NFL Draft the Cleveland Browns select
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Allen would be a DT and Shelton at NT I think.
In the terminology in the photo would DT be the "under tackle"
Nassib SDE and Ogbah WDE? Would Garrett be a SDE?
I don't see these terms used.... I see Open End, and Closed End (meaning on the side of the TE)
Which is which?
The formation above is similar to what Michigan plays. Sometimes we can the WDE a Buck LB, but it's the same thing.
Allen would be a DT and Shelton at NT I think.
In the terminology in the photo would DT be the "under tackle"
Nassib SDE and Ogbah WDE? Would Garrett be a SDE?
I don't see these terms used.... I see Open End, and Closed End (meaning on the side of the TE)
Which is which?
The formation above is similar to what Michigan plays. Sometimes we can the WDE a Buck LB, but it's the same thing.
WDE would be the open end. More pass rusher, quicker.
SDE would be the closest end. More run stop, stronger
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Great stuff Tia. Can we expect anything different from Williams on covering a TE? Still Collins or can we send him at QB?
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Allen would be a DT and Shelton at NT I think.
In the terminology in the photo would DT be the "under tackle"
Nassib SDE and Ogbah WDE? Would Garrett be a SDE?
I don't see these terms used.... I see Open End, and Closed End (meaning on the side of the TE)
Which is which?
The formation above is similar to what Michigan plays. Sometimes we can the WDE a Buck LB, but it's the same thing.
Allen would be a DT and Shelton at NT I think.
In the terminology in the photo would DT be the "under tackle"
Nassib SDE and Ogbah WDE? Would Garrett be a SDE?
I don't see these terms used.... I see Open End, and Closed End (meaning on the side of the TE)
Which is which?
The formation above is similar to what Michigan plays. Sometimes we can the WDE a Buck LB, but it's the same thing.
You really don't know who the SDE and WDE are?
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OK, so, a 3tech lines up on the outside shoulder of a guard...between the OG and OT. In the 4-3 both DTs would be 3tech, right? A 5 tech would line up on the outside of the tackle....making him a DE.
I assume then that a 1tech lines up in the gap between the OC and OG. That would be more nose tackle terrritory in a 3-4 no?
Would a 4-3 DT never really line up at that spot?
It seems that would leave a huge hole up the middle in normal circumstances. To be filled my the MLB?
Old school term was nose guard. NT evolved from the massive 2 gap heads up monsters.
Alignment depends on call and responding to offensive structure. You can have a 5,3,1,5 a 5,1,1,5 a 9,3,3,5 etc etc. You can run an over playing heads up on the center, guard and tackle of you choose.
Point being alignments are too much to cover in just one post. Allen would play primarily a 3tech, be it strong or weak side. Has the option of floating at the 5 and if you want to get whacky with it, even further on the interior.
Just trying to pigeon hole things into saying 'X goes here, Y goes here' isn't accurate under modern day defensive schemes. With Coach Williams you'll get some interesting looks of front. I remember them playing a lot of 3 man against the Colts in the super bowl.
Old school term was nose guard. NT evolved from the massive 2 gap heads up monsters.
Alignment depends on call and responding to offensive structure. You can have a 5,3,1,5 a 5,1,1,5 a 9,3,3,5 etc etc. You can run an over playing heads up on the center, guard and tackle of you choose.
Point being alignments are too much to cover in just one post. Allen would play primarily a 3tech, be it strong or weak side. Has the option of floating at the 5 and if you want to get whacky with it, even further on the interior.
Just trying to pigeon hole things into saying 'X goes here, Y goes here' isn't accurate under modern day defensive schemes. With Coach Williams you'll get some interesting looks of front. I remember them playing a lot of 3 man against the Colts in the super bowl.
Sure, I understand that there could be a lot of variation in the alignment.. But I was just wondering who we would have manning the posts in the basic, classic structure.
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Where would our current personell (and/or our future draft picks...Garrett/Allen etc. if we go that route), fit in the above alignment?
Assuming this is the base defense that Williams would run.
If you insist on penciling people in just based on THAT pick against what would most likely be 21 personnel.
Danny at the NT, Allen as the backside 3, Nassib weak end and Oby as strong side or 'closed'.
Though you could see Allen as the strong side, oby as a backer and someone like Bryant as the weakside 3.
If you insist on penciling people in just based on THAT pick against what would most likely be 21 personnel.
Danny at the NT, Allen as the backside 3, Nassib weak end and Oby as strong side or 'closed'.
Though you could see Allen as the strong side, oby as a backer and someone like Bryant as the weakside 3.
And what if Garrett were the pick? Where would he fit in? That open(weak) end DE?
Again, everything I hear about him is that he is really a true DE, not an OLB.
Also, question: In this classic 4-3 setup, there is one MLB. Our talent at the LB spot has us with 3 good MLBs: Kirksey, Davis, Collins. I know Collins has been playing outside, but most of what I hear is that his optimal position is inside.
What do we do with 3 MLBs in a prototypical 4-3?
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Allen would be a DT and Shelton at NT I think.
In the terminology in the photo would DT be the "under tackle"
Nassib SDE and Ogbah WDE? Would Garrett be a SDE?
I don't see these terms used.... I see Open End, and Closed End (meaning on the side of the TE)
Which is which?
The formation above is similar to what Michigan plays. Sometimes we can the WDE a Buck LB, but it's the same thing.
You really don't know who the SDE and WDE are?
You really don't know who the SDE and WDE are?
I know that like every team has a different terminolgy for these players. I was asking about the terminology in the above diagram, which is different from what was stated here.
In fact, I have seen, just in this thread, the same positions being called 3 different things.
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Strongside... Weakside...
Very old, simple terms for traditionally balanced lines with the TE determining which side is "strong" by adding his body to it "tight" to one OT or the other.
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Strongside... Weakside...
Very old, simple terms for traditionally balanced lines with the TE determining which side is "strong" by adding his body to it "tight" to one OT or the other.
Strongside... Weakside...
Very old, simple terms for traditionally balanced lines with the TE determining which side is "strong" by adding his body to it "tight" to one OT or the other.
Sure, but then you have the "closed end/open end" terminology. Then the Sam/Will/Mike. then you basic Left End, Right End, Left Outside LB, Right Outside LB....and who knows how many other terms.
I mean, the Stronside Backer/End plays on the side that the TE is on. But a TE can switch sides on every play. Or go in motion. Is he at one instance the Strongside End and in the next instance the weakside end?
If a guy always plays the left or the right, again he could be SDE or WDE on different plays.
And what about where no TE is used? Five reciever sets.
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You'll have different terms for different coaches and players. In the end its almost the exact same thing all the time.
Garrett would play open/weak end and some bscker if called for.
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There being a lot of different terms does not excuse not knowing what S/WDE means.
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Strongside... Weakside...
Very old, simple terms for traditionally balanced lines with the TE determining which side is "strong" by adding his body to it "tight" to one OT or the other.
Sure, but then you have the "closed end/open end" terminology. Then the Sam/Will/Mike. then you basic Left End, Right End, Left Outside LB, Right Outside LB....and who knows how many other terms.
I mean, the Stronside Backer/End plays on the side that the TE is on. But a TE can switch sides on every play. Or go in motion. Is he at one instance the Strongside End and in the next instance the weakside end?
If a guy always plays the left or the right, again he could be SDE or WDE on different plays.
And what about where no TE is used? Five reciever sets.
Sure, but then you have the "closed end/open end" terminology. Then the Sam/Will/Mike. then you basic Left End, Right End, Left Outside LB, Right Outside LB....and who knows how many other terms.
I mean, the Stronside Backer/End plays on the side that the TE is on. But a TE can switch sides on every play. Or go in motion. Is he at one instance the Strongside End and in the next instance the weakside end?
If a guy always plays the left or the right, again he could be SDE or WDE on different plays.
And what about where no TE is used? Five reciever sets.
Strong side of the offensive formation is generally to the field - so in this case you'll either go with that or your coaches will determine what they feel is the best matchup in pass rush.
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There being a lot of different terms does not excuse not knowing what S/WDE means.
Par for the course with Gipper
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Sure, but then you have the "closed end/open end" terminology. Then the Sam/Will/Mike. then you basic Left End, Right End, Left Outside LB, Right Outside LB....and who knows how many other terms.
I mean, the Stronside Backer/End plays on the side that the TE is on. But a TE can switch sides on every play. Or go in motion. Is he at one instance the Strongside End and in the next instance the weakside end?
If a guy always plays the left or the right, again he could be SDE or WDE on different plays.
And what about where no TE is used? Five reciever sets.
Strong side of the offensive formation is generally to the field - so in this case you'll either go with that or your coaches will determine what they feel is the best matchup in pass rush.
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There being a lot of different terms does not excuse not knowing what S/WDE means.
You are right. I don't need a fucking excuse for anything I do.
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There being a lot of different terms does not excuse not knowing what S/WDE means.
Par for the course with Gipper
Par for the course with Gipper
Yea, I know nothing about football....say the guys that are too gutless to do the trivia (without cheating)
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Knowing who won the 1911 southeast Arizona regional high school football championship doesn't mean you "know football" in the sense we're discussing it here. You just exposed yourself. Watch some basic YouTube football instructionals and come back to us.
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Knowing who won the 1911 southeast Arizona regional high school football championship doesn't mean you "know football" in the sense we're discussing it here. You just exposed yourself. Watch some basic YouTube football instructionals and come back to us.
Knowing who won the 1911 southeast Arizona regional high school football championship doesn't mean you "know football" in the sense we're discussing it here. You just exposed yourself. Watch some basic YouTube football instructionals and come back to us.
Actually. YES, it does. Knowing the history of the game is more important to most fans. NO ONE cares about stupid little minutiae about techniques to play the game......or about how the same exact thing can have 40 different ways of saying it. No one gives a shit if a play is called a Z 40 X bubble Omaha Q-tip or a Gobble down gut buster Jackson Hole A gap Mongoloid.
or if a guy is an SDE or a WDE.
We care about winning, and getting players with talent.
Get us a QB that can play like Aaron Rodgers, then get back to us.
Get back to us when you learn something that people care about.
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I said "in the sense we're discussing it here." Your trivia threads do not at all help you understand technique and schemes relevant right now, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself it does.
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Sure, but then you have the "closed end/open end" terminology. Then the Sam/Will/Mike. then you basic Left End, Right End, Left Outside LB, Right Outside LB....and who knows how many other terms.
I mean, the Stronside Backer/End plays on the side that the TE is on. But a TE can switch sides on every play. Or go in motion. Is he at one instance the Strongside End and in the next instance the weakside end?
If a guy always plays the left or the right, again he could be SDE or WDE on different plays.
And what about where no TE is used? Five reciever sets.
Strong side of the offensive formation is generally to the field - so in this case you'll either go with that or your coaches will determine what they feel is the best matchup in pass rush.
Strong side of the offensive formation is generally to the field - so in this case you'll either go with that or your coaches will determine what they feel is the best matchup in pass rush.
I'm gonna have to slightly disagree here, just based on what I've seen - "strong" has more often been used in conjunction to whatever side features a TE/RB/most receivers (dependent on formation). Near/Far, Tall/Short, Open/Closed has more often been used in conjunction with field position. At least, as far as any defense I've ever been a part of.
I suppose the terminology can and will be different, but I know that most of the defenses I played with tried to segment out Strong/Weak and Near/Far as much as possible just to give more options for the formation and playcall. For instance, you could have a Sam and a Will backer that are always strong and weak side, unless the Will is also particularly good in space, to which he would then shift to a Frank (or my personal favorite, "Fat") when the defense shows a strong formation alignment to the "Far" side of the field.
It just allows for better defensive segmentation, IMO. Granted, this was often on a case by case basis.
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